2017-18 State of Russian Ladies skating
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Okay so I compared the lists. There are 18 skaters entering the Jr Nats.
Missing:
From JGP - Sofia Samodurova, Alisa Fedichkina
From Russian Cup - #2 Kurakova; #7 Pankova
Added:
Scherbakova
#11 Safonova
#12 Tsibinova
#13 Cherpakova
Questions
(1) Why are the four eligible ladies, Samodurova, Fedichkina, Kurakova and Pankova missing?
(2) Why is #10 Gorina, who was supposed to be the first substitute, not on the participation list?
(3) Dear Ms Olympic substitute, are you not promoted to senior earlier this season?
Missing:
From JGP - Sofia Samodurova, Alisa Fedichkina
From Russian Cup - #2 Kurakova; #7 Pankova
Added:
Scherbakova
#11 Safonova
#12 Tsibinova
#13 Cherpakova
Questions
(1) Why are the four eligible ladies, Samodurova, Fedichkina, Kurakova and Pankova missing?
(2) Why is #10 Gorina, who was supposed to be the first substitute, not on the participation list?
(3) Dear Ms Olympic substitute, are you not promoted to senior earlier this season?
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OMG, Konstantinova. I'd replace her with zagi just for fun (at least she is 15)
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"if child is not allowed to eat sweets or pastry, these things must not be in the house..If child should not have the dinner so parents have to wait to eat after child goes to bed". Does this mean that the child don't have dinner? Can someone answer this? Is this not a form of abuse and win at all cost. Those girls are probably starving. Make no wonder Yulia had an eating disorder. Oh my..... I wonder, in the end, is this all worth it...What is most disturbing, is that fans will agree with this and say it's all worth it because that the way it's done in this neck of the woods. Oh my....
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I'd replace her with Polina
Even better, switch Zagi FS to Anna Karenina and send her together with Med and Stasya to JWC (all three in radiant green unitards)
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Probably best not to jump to any conclusions here. There are several healthy people who eat a large breakfast and small lunch and very small dinner...like really small. I can’t know for certain but it’s just as likley that the family isn’t eating like a professional athlete and that a large dinner may interfere with the more healthy diet the athletes need and got earlier in the day.
Giving her the benefit of the doubt maybe it means if the child is not allowed to have certain foods because she is watching her weight, like pizza or other unhealthy options, the family should not have it in front of the child. At least that’s what I hope she means.
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I knew something was off when I first watch this new version of her SP. I can't say I like the new changes.
The combination spin was no longer in synchrony with the music. Number of revolutions are the same (27) but allocation to different spin positions are adjusted so overall it took less time to complete. The choreography of step sequence wasn't adjusted according to the change in timing of music. It was the same until the end where a few additional steps are added. The exit of 3F3T was again too near to the boards IMO. She also did a 3Lz3T for exhibition purpose which I enjoyed.
I don't know if I were just biased, but as a fan who enjoyed the musicality in her SP very much, I find the change in choreography very odd. I understand that they are working to raised the StSq3 to an StSq4, but the music and the choreography felt "off". I don't know how it looks to a casual viewer, it might look just fine and that I have watched her SP too many times that I am too used to her old choreography.
Why do you guys think about the changes? Like it? Not like it? Looks all the same to you?
It's just her SP adapted for the exibition program. Or you think skaters do all their elements correctly at Gala? Yes, her EX was off with the music, all her choreo was off, but why did you decide this is her new version? [emoji848] This is nonsense.
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Probably they changed her SP just for EX purposes.
Alena: Daniil, I still missing my ex program!
Daniil: oops, ok, just skate as you like, I'll turn on your SP music.
Pretty sure this layout is just for showing off in the exhibition since I don't think you're allowed to do two triple-triples in the short program.
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Born to make history!!!
Also: I see you there, puremagic... emojis can't make up for what's not in your house...
Also: I see you there, puremagic... emojis can't make up for what's not in your house...
This should be Trusova, Kostornaia and Tarakanova (or even better Gubanova)
But i feel the Konstantinova inflation will come and they will let her get a bronze or even a silver, despite what happened last year (they wanted to give her a shot and she bombed both programs at Junior Worlds)
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About the interview:
Wow.Eteri's words sound rough, but contextualizing is understood: Sambo 70 is a STATE Olympic reserve. Kids are not paying for their classes, this factor increases the number of applicants. They had a GRUPAL training system. Unlike USA, Canada, Japan and any other country where skating classes are mostly paid (see Orser, Canada) and oriented to the skater individually. Sambo 70 and the team led by Eteri has a large number of highly competitive students, under this logic, obviously those who endure the pressure and discipline, not only on the ice, but in their general living habits: getting up early, having a Specific diet, train every day without tantrums,will have more chances of reaching the top. There is a long list of potential stars to take the first place. Everything is meritocracy.
Obviously if you go to a private academy, where you are PAYING for a service, you are no longer just a student, but a client. And your coach / provider, will offer your services cordially, because you are paying, there is a schedule to attend, time is money, and other customers wait.
The context is totally different. On the weight of the girls, it is obvious that Eteri prefers the girls who already have a small body type that is not prone to weight (Evgenia, Tarakanova), or small and athletic (Zagitova, Trusova) why? because it is obviously more functional to achieve the results. Now, this is what she prefers, but within the group we see girls like Daria or Kostornaya, who may gain some weight, in the case of Kostornaya we don't know, since she is incredibly short( by genetics.She will be able to gain something of hips, maybe bust, but this does not necessarily have to affect her).
feeding: in the backstage you always see Alina and Evgenia eating some fruit before entering the Warm up.
I think you, guys are doing a drama, ALL SPORTS HAVE A TYPE OF DIET, to this you have to add your specific type of body. This is neither anorexia nor disease: it is discipline. I guess the girls have a nutritionist who will give them the diet they need. Evgenia has always had a small body, in fact she has gained a lot of muscle in her legs and that surprises me (I have that kind of body, I can eat like a pig, and not gain a lot of weight), so I think maybe she has been increasing the proteins to gain muscle and thus improve the power in the jumps.
I see a lot more prone to anorexia in girls whose bodies are thicker, but Zagitova and Medvedeva are born blessed, and they don't need to exaggerate in their diets (let's hope that)
Now, speaking much more in general, this happens in the Ballet and in Gymnastics. There is a documentary on RT Channel called " Dance of the Little Swans", when I saw it I was surprised at the harshness of the selection at the Vaganova Academy. Parents from all over Russia and neighboring countries took their girls with the hope of being selected, and then they had to go through rigorous tests: body type, posture, grace. I felt sad for the children, and I hated especially Tsiscaridze who behaved like a tyrant. But I also saw discipline, and students who worked hard to deliver perfection. In the case of male students the selection was more flexible since there are very few a pplicants.
And well, one as a person can think that Tsiskaridze director of Vaganova, Irina Viner of Rhythmic Gymnastics, and Eteri, are some heartless! but they carry on their shoulders the great responsibility of forming winners and keeping the list of them (yes, although it sounds cruel, a country must have "spare parts"). Interestingly, these three people have taken their disciplines to the top.For us they are horrible, but if you look at their students, they do nothing but praise them and thank them in each interview. This is beyond our comprehension, because we are not athletes (at least I don't)
Here I leave the documentary, in case someone wants to see it
In the end, I think this goes back to a culture topic. People in Russia are much more disciplined, much more serious and "collective".
Like Japan, despite having a different model to the Russian one, they also have a high competitiveness, many aspirants and a "structure of formality".
In the rest of the world we are much more liberal and somewhat individualistic.Personally, I don't like the rules or have someone shouting at me what I should do. That is why I greatly admire athletes in general, ballet dancers, who are capable of listening, being constant and disciplined.The path of an athlete is so difficult
Wow.Eteri's words sound rough, but contextualizing is understood: Sambo 70 is a STATE Olympic reserve. Kids are not paying for their classes, this factor increases the number of applicants. They had a GRUPAL training system. Unlike USA, Canada, Japan and any other country where skating classes are mostly paid (see Orser, Canada) and oriented to the skater individually. Sambo 70 and the team led by Eteri has a large number of highly competitive students, under this logic, obviously those who endure the pressure and discipline, not only on the ice, but in their general living habits: getting up early, having a Specific diet, train every day without tantrums,will have more chances of reaching the top. There is a long list of potential stars to take the first place. Everything is meritocracy.
Obviously if you go to a private academy, where you are PAYING for a service, you are no longer just a student, but a client. And your coach / provider, will offer your services cordially, because you are paying, there is a schedule to attend, time is money, and other customers wait.
The context is totally different. On the weight of the girls, it is obvious that Eteri prefers the girls who already have a small body type that is not prone to weight (Evgenia, Tarakanova), or small and athletic (Zagitova, Trusova) why? because it is obviously more functional to achieve the results. Now, this is what she prefers, but within the group we see girls like Daria or Kostornaya, who may gain some weight, in the case of Kostornaya we don't know, since she is incredibly short( by genetics.She will be able to gain something of hips, maybe bust, but this does not necessarily have to affect her).
feeding: in the backstage you always see Alina and Evgenia eating some fruit before entering the Warm up.
I think you, guys are doing a drama, ALL SPORTS HAVE A TYPE OF DIET, to this you have to add your specific type of body. This is neither anorexia nor disease: it is discipline. I guess the girls have a nutritionist who will give them the diet they need. Evgenia has always had a small body, in fact she has gained a lot of muscle in her legs and that surprises me (I have that kind of body, I can eat like a pig, and not gain a lot of weight), so I think maybe she has been increasing the proteins to gain muscle and thus improve the power in the jumps.
I see a lot more prone to anorexia in girls whose bodies are thicker, but Zagitova and Medvedeva are born blessed, and they don't need to exaggerate in their diets (let's hope that)
Now, speaking much more in general, this happens in the Ballet and in Gymnastics. There is a documentary on RT Channel called " Dance of the Little Swans", when I saw it I was surprised at the harshness of the selection at the Vaganova Academy. Parents from all over Russia and neighboring countries took their girls with the hope of being selected, and then they had to go through rigorous tests: body type, posture, grace. I felt sad for the children, and I hated especially Tsiscaridze who behaved like a tyrant. But I also saw discipline, and students who worked hard to deliver perfection. In the case of male students the selection was more flexible since there are very few a pplicants.
And well, one as a person can think that Tsiskaridze director of Vaganova, Irina Viner of Rhythmic Gymnastics, and Eteri, are some heartless! but they carry on their shoulders the great responsibility of forming winners and keeping the list of them (yes, although it sounds cruel, a country must have "spare parts"). Interestingly, these three people have taken their disciplines to the top.For us they are horrible, but if you look at their students, they do nothing but praise them and thank them in each interview. This is beyond our comprehension, because we are not athletes (at least I don't)
Here I leave the documentary, in case someone wants to see it
In the end, I think this goes back to a culture topic. People in Russia are much more disciplined, much more serious and "collective".
Like Japan, despite having a different model to the Russian one, they also have a high competitiveness, many aspirants and a "structure of formality".
In the rest of the world we are much more liberal and somewhat individualistic.Personally, I don't like the rules or have someone shouting at me what I should do. That is why I greatly admire athletes in general, ballet dancers, who are capable of listening, being constant and disciplined.The path of an athlete is so difficult
