Evgenia Medvedeva

[vorravorra]

I have the awful feeling (please correct me, tell me I'm wrong) that Zhenya is "one and done". They're not building legacy skaters in Russia anymore, like they did with Irina (and tried to with Maria B.). The last three OG teams from Russia had zero holdovers. This is turning into gymnastics where they go guns blazing for one quad, have one single shot, and then retire.

I am hoping that Zhenya gets lucrative contracts to skate in shows, especially in Japan where she's obviously beloved. I have a feeling she'll be fine, but she will need time to think of her future and build it. She is well-respected in the skating community and has two Olympic medals, not too shabby.

Zhenya will always be The Tsarina of figure skating to me. I'm hoping she sticks around, or at least returns in perfect form if she decides to take time off. She deserves to relax and regroup.

In all fairness, nobody made Yulia or Adelina leave after Sochi. Adelina chose to, Yulia encountered technical problems.

 

[madison]

Oh I can blame her very easily because she is partly to blame for what happened. It's not as if Alina is someone who came out of nowhere; she is from that very same group. Eteri knew how to game the system perfectly to get Alina into the position where she could contest for a medal, which ultimately got her the OGM.

But if she knew to game the system, then she also must have known all the issues this would cause Zhenya. Yet what did Zhenya get? Bad programs. Not enough technical work ever since last season. Eteri knew that the way the trend is now; Alina's PCS would go up with her TES, that is what she counted on to get Alina up there after all. Could she be blamed for the Fed dropping Zhenya? No. But the rest is entirely at her door.

Next season Zhenya will still be around but after that? More juniors are coming up. That's the issue with Eteri - she is a state coach. And as the Russian federation couldn't care less beyond the next kid who'll churn out the gold for them for that season, Eteri isn't in the business of building legacies. This is why Medvedeva needs a coach who will focus on her as she gets older and politic for her, not Alina v 2.0. 3.0, 4.0 etc. Of course, it's all just empty talk as even if she wanted to, I'm pretty sure she doesn't have the money to pay someone like Borser, even if he said yes and RusFed certainly wouldn't want to.

Eteri cares for Zhenya and this is obvious.
Yes, she did a strategic mistake in this case, cause she couldn't predict the Alina's quick raise in terms of PCS.
But the context was of this manner with Evgenia's injury and so on. Eteri tried to backload Evgenia's free program, but it didn't work out and then the injury.
This is life, destiny.... it wasn't meant to be this time for Evgenia. But I'm sure she'll be successful in whatever she decides to to do in the future.
And life in general is complicated... what might be seen as a defeat can actually be a victory.

 

[madison]

In all fairness, nobody made Yulia or Adelina leave after Sochi. Adelina chose to, Yulia encountered technical problems.

Adelina actually tried to come back, but had bad results. I think mentally she wasn't ready to give up competitive skating.

Evgenia I'm sure she'll stay with Eteri and try to upgrade the tech content.

 

[Grin]

I have the awful feeling (please correct me, tell me I'm wrong) that Zhenya is "one and done". They're not building legacy skaters in Russia anymore, like they did with Irina (and tried to with Maria B.). The last three OG teams from Russia had zero holdovers. This is turning into gymnastics where they go guns blazing for one quad, have one single shot, and then retire.

I am hoping that Zhenya gets lucrative contracts to skate in shows, especially in Japan where she's obviously beloved. I have a feeling she'll be fine, but she will need time to think of her future and build it. She is well-respected in the skating community and has two Olympic medals, not too shabby.

Zhenya will always be The Tsarina of figure skating to me. I'm hoping she sticks around, or at least returns in perfect form if she decides to take time off. She deserves to relax and regroup.

Hey, she isn't done yet. She has all the goods to compete at the highest level.

 

[yoloaxel]

Evgenia said she will up her tech content. She probably would have done it this season hadn’t she been bothered by her foot since before Rostelecom.

I don’t like Eteri but it’s not like she could predict Alina’s rise in PCS or her consistency, just like she couldn’t predict Zhenya’s injury.

Anyway, Zhenya says she will continue and has no intention of leaving, and she just won silver at the OG and still owns 2 WR scores. Let’s focus on this and we will see what happens as time goes on let’s not be too negative, Zhenya is still unbeatable by most skaters bar Alina, it’s not like she’s going to become worse next season

 

[atsumiri]

In all fairness, nobody made Yulia or Adelina leave after Sochi. Adelina chose to, Yulia encountered technical problems.

yes... rusfed was even holding them a spot in the national team till this season.

http://s018.radikal.ru/i526/1304/c3/f023c47601b3.jpg :think:

Do you want a pic of Yulia?
and then maybe with Alina, Evgenia...
and pics of how many gold medals did they won in last 4 years?
or maybe with Sasha/Alena/Nastaya/Dasha?

how about it?
top 20 Total Scores.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_scores_in_figure_skating#Ladies_2
you can look at juniors as well)

 

[madison]

Make a better program for Zhenya, not a weaker program for Alina Go troll somewhere else.

Actually, it was clear that Evgenia was no 1 priority for Eteri.
Alina's short program was put by Daniil (I suppose entirely and Eteri only checked it) and they kept her free program from last year.

 

[atsumiri]

Make a better program for Zhenya, not a weaker program for Alina Go troll somewhere else.

Evgenia has one of the best programs in this season......

 

[breadstal]

Oh I can blame her very easily because she is partly to blame for what happened. It's not as if Alina is someone who came out of nowhere; she is from that very same group. Eteri knew how to game the system perfectly to get Alina into the position where she could contest for a medal, which ultimately got her the OGM.

But if she knew to game the system, then she also must have known all the issues this would cause Zhenya. Yet what did Zhenya get? Bad programs. Not enough technical work ever since last season. Eteri knew that the way the trend is now; Alina's PCS would go up with her TES, that is what she counted on to get Alina up there after all. Could she be blamed for the Fed dropping Zhenya? No. But the rest is entirely at her door.

Next season Zhenya will still be around but after that? More juniors are coming up. That's the issue with Eteri - she is a state coach. And as the Russian federation couldn't care less beyond the next kid who'll churn out the gold for them for that season, Eteri isn't in the business of building legacies. This is why Medvedeva needs a coach who will focus on her as she gets older and politic for her, not Alina v 2.0. 3.0, 4.0 etc. Of course, it's all just empty talk as even if she wanted to, I'm pretty sure she doesn't have the money to pay someone like Borser, even if he said yes and RusFed certainly wouldn't want to.

I don't blame her if she didn't predict that big of jump of PCS, it's that ridiculous (No shade to Alina btw, I like her and I don't think she's just 'jumping machine'. It's just that PCS are trashed anyway for a couple of seasons now, it's still sad for me though).

I agree about last part, sadly. I'm just thinking, is this really a future of FS now. But maybe, Eteri is more loyal than we thought and Evgenia will be more determinated and have more control in terms of her strategies/ programs.

 

[madison]

As I see, Eteri tries to maximize the strengths of each of her students.
I agree that she doesn't focus on making them last for long... For example, I don't think we shall see anytime soon a 30 years old skater from Eteri's camp.
I suppose this is because she thinks that the body of 20 years old is not the best for figure skating (she said in an interview that the body changes as it prepares for motherhood).

 

[Yatagarasu]

Evgenia has one of the best programs in this season......

They kept giving her programs to Averbukh, which is a massive mistake. Anna K is her second FS from this season, which had to be adjusted from the EX. It's a very good program but it is much more Zhenya who makes it so, with her skating, than the choreography itself. In fact, the second part especially lacks that specific oomph that for example Alina's has in spades. Daniil did good work for her considering how boxed in they were but to shine? Shae, David, Jeff. They all make better programs on a regular basis. Shae especially could do Zhenya justice.

And this is yet another issue with being stuck in Sambo. What are the odds they'll allow her to seek those choreographers out, and pay for them? Low, very low. Yet in Zhenya's position she needs the best choreography out there now. Not Daniil. And certainly not Averbukh.

 

[ReasonOFF]

Evgenia has one of the best programs in this season......

exactly. and moreover she came after injury. she skated very good. what her coach could do? say to zagitova do not make combo, make a mistake? really what a sick person that poster

 

[madison]

They kept giving her programs to Averbukh, which is a massive mistake. Anna K is her second FS from this season, which had to be adjusted from the EX. It's a very good program but it is much more Zhenya who makes it so, with her skating, than the choreography itself. In fact, the second part especially lacks that specific oomph that for example Alina's has in spades. Daniil did good work for her considering how boxed in they were but to shine? Shae, David, Jeff. They all do make better programs on a regular basis. Shae especially could do Zhenya justice.

And this is yet another issue with being stuck in Sambo. What are the odds they'll allow her to seek those choreographers out, and pay for them? Low, very low. Yet in Zhenya's position she needs the best choreography out there now. Not Daniil. And certainly not Averbukh.

Well, Alina won with Daniil's programs

 

[Viiktoruu]

I don't have much to say. I actually thought Alina would break the remaining world records by Evgenia, I was kinda glad at least that didn't happen here. I would say I'm happy for Evgenia, but clearly she isn't happy herself - so I'm kinda sad too However, she has shown time and time again what a fighter she is - she'll get over it and try to better her technical abilities.

What's the point in trying to argue on what Evgenia should do now? Couldn't it be more obvious? Train the lutz or 4S until the next season and see what comes of it! Her PCS is not going down, and Alina's notoriously, inexplicably high PCS has hit the ceiling, or at least I hope so. The way Alina's PCS has progressed I will never ever understand. When you basically skate the same at your national competition and get an even higher score at an international - My mind goes to a lot of really bad words when I think about it. :hpull:

Anyways, I believe Evgenia will come home and look at her two Olympic medals and realize how amazing she is. And above all, I hope she remembers how incredibly loved she is, and of how many people adore her and consider her to be a legend of the sport already :luv17:

 

[Yatagarasu]

Well, Alina won with Daniil's programs

She certainly didn't win because of his program. She won because it was preordained for her to win.

That's why Zhenya needs particularly good ones. To her, it does make a difference. She has no choice but to shine the most in what she does best. Use all the advantages she has. And it's only going to get more important in the next two seasons if she wants to stick around and be relevant. Russians do not build legacies. They just don't. I have no idea why as it makes no sense but they don't.

Having brilliant programs will help keep her on the radar. She may not be winning left and right, but at this point, we're passed that. It's more about building her own legacy than anything else. She can do that as she has that it factor that no money can buy.

 

[atsumiri]

Shae, David, Jeff. They all make better programs on a regular basis. Shae especially could do Zhenya justice.

better? regular basis? not sure about it....



i don't have problems with Daniil or Averbukh programs.
I don't like Averbukh as a person... but... he can do a really good program...
And Daniil is able to do even better programs right now.
Alina's SP is modern and fearless. Evgenia's Sp is pure magic.
Karenina is the top class program.
many skaters changed their programs throughout the course of the season.... most of them returned the used ones....

 

[madison]

better? regular basis? not sure about it....



i don't have problems with Daniil or Averbukh programs.
I don't like Averbukh as a person... but... he can do a really good program...
And Daniil is able to do even better programs right now.
Alina's SP is modest and fearless. Evgenia's Sp is pure magic.
Karenina is the top class program.
many skaters changed their programs throughout the course of the season.... most of them returned the used ones....

Modest? No.... it's more contemporary approach-modern- turbulent and dark.
Evgenia's sp is really good, it's an unitary piece (except of whatever she's doing in the very end) Is it done by Daniil or Averbukh?.
I don't like Anna Karenina, it has too many music cuts for my taste and this makes the program incoherent.

 

[elizabethj37]

They're not good (they're not horrible either) programs, Evgenia just skates them well tbh (That's her magic). None of their programs have the wow factor for me. Have you guys noticed all the Russian skaters had bleak programs? I think the only won who had good programs was Aliev. I mean I know the Fed has a lot of say in their programs and it's like, this is what you all chose? Idk that's just my opinion. I don't know what will happen, I just hope she enjoys her life.

 

[yoloaxel]

Can we agree to disagree on the programs? We'll get new ones soon enough :giveup:

 

[sweetice]

Do you want a pic of Yulia?
and then maybe with Alina, Evgenia...
and pics of how many gold medals did they won in last 4 years?
or maybe with Sasha/Alena/Nastaya/Dasha?

how about it?
top 20 Total Scores.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_scores_in_figure_skating#Ladies_2
you can look at juniors as well)

You can't just say that Orser can't take a girl to the olympic gold, that's all.
We all know that russian, and Eteri's girls in particular, present and future, may dominate in the next years. I follow also the juniors ( and love Kostornaia a lot, even if at now is Trusova's techs level that seem to be a real problem for Alina, thinking about when he can go senior ).

I don't think that Evgenia will ever think about leaving Eteri, but i find understandable what Yata are saying. From an external perspective, Eteri seem to working more for the Russia's future than for the present.