Mark Hanretty's P/C fanboy is showing once again: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bftv8L8BcUl/
Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron
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I will forever be grateful for what Marie-France and Patrice did for Gaby and Guillaume. I think they were really pressured at this table to play along with the extreme chauvinism, and nothing of what they said really shocked me. How can we judge on just a few minutes?
Gaby and Guigui know them on a daily basis, so it is for them to deal with this.
However, I really wish that Marie-France and Patrice would publicly take some blame for what happened, even if I'm totally unaware of the whole situation and how things go in figure skating or what the procedures are and who is taking care of dresses. I fully agree with Icetigger and Alain that you would expect them to at least feel somewhat responsible for what happened if it happened several times before. It's mind-boggling that they did not sow an elastic strap in the neck strap or something to simply avoid anything falling down if ever that clip would open. It does feel so idiotically amateurish at that level.
Yes, Marie-France's fall was a lot a lot a lot more horrible. But the comparison feels very awkward and forced, as the clip opening was soooooo avoidable. And Marie-France had never fallen on that lift, in stark contrast to the confession that that clip had opened in practice also.
The fact that the whole table avoided the 'what if' question at all costs shows for me that they all know the answer.
I really wish that some big skating names would simply say it. I am very happy that in the NYT article the opening line stated the obvious.
Canada is turning this question into an elephant in the room.
And Marie-France and Patch seem not bothered.
That's a pity.
EDIT: At the very start, Marie-France says that this is a moment they worked towards for 20 months. That struck me, as it really points to working with V/M only...
Gaby and Guigui know them on a daily basis, so it is for them to deal with this.
However, I really wish that Marie-France and Patrice would publicly take some blame for what happened, even if I'm totally unaware of the whole situation and how things go in figure skating or what the procedures are and who is taking care of dresses. I fully agree with Icetigger and Alain that you would expect them to at least feel somewhat responsible for what happened if it happened several times before. It's mind-boggling that they did not sow an elastic strap in the neck strap or something to simply avoid anything falling down if ever that clip would open. It does feel so idiotically amateurish at that level.
Yes, Marie-France's fall was a lot a lot a lot more horrible. But the comparison feels very awkward and forced, as the clip opening was soooooo avoidable. And Marie-France had never fallen on that lift, in stark contrast to the confession that that clip had opened in practice also.
The fact that the whole table avoided the 'what if' question at all costs shows for me that they all know the answer.
I really wish that some big skating names would simply say it. I am very happy that in the NYT article the opening line stated the obvious.
Canada is turning this question into an elephant in the room.
And Marie-France and Patch seem not bothered.
That's a pity.
EDIT: At the very start, Marie-France says that this is a moment they worked towards for 20 months. That struck me, as it really points to working with V/M only...
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I really wonder what commentary BESP had during the performances.
I wouldn't say Diana that in the US people prefer P/C. V/M have got a lot of American (US and Candadian) love as well. It's just for a different public. Like it was said in commentary, V/M have a strong hollywoodian vibe that's perfect for the US public, many US links were shared in their fan thread. Plus the question "have they/will they" is great for gossip paper.
But it seems that with the article from The NY Times art and now the New Yorker, that P/C are very well loved in NY
So I'd say LA for VM and NY for PC ? (I'm just generalizing of course !)
Edit : TL;DR : V/M are a hit in US entertainment industry. P/C are a hit in the US dance world. I shouldn't compare the two.
But it seems that with the article from The NY Times art and now the New Yorker, that P/C are very well loved in NY
So I'd say LA for VM and NY for PC ? (I'm just generalizing of course !)
Edit : TL;DR : V/M are a hit in US entertainment industry. P/C are a hit in the US dance world. I shouldn't compare the two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pinePduIIMM
Wow superb!!Can somebody please tell us what Gabriella and GUillaume are saying at the end??It must be something
B.ESP supposedly cut P/C's performances from their coverage entirely.
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If that's true: WOW
EDIT: can't really imagine, if they showed any ice dancing at all
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Nothing special: thank you's and congrats to the other French Olympians and we're tired and we did our best tonight and come and support us in Milan and Guillaume asks if they are having a good time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pinePduIIMM
Wow superb!!Can somebody please tell us what Gabriella and GUillaume are saying at the end??It must be something
Guillaume is supposed to translate into English but he doesn't, at least not in this vid.
Well I would need time to go find all the articles going back to 2017 Worlds but to French media Romain clearly leaves hanging in the air that he feels P/C were unfortunate to lose against V/M. In 2017 after Worlds suggesting that in the SD judges looked for errors in P/C SD but overlooked in others. But I've never said anything before and I usually ignore because I understand that he has to play a different game in France because he has to deal with Didier and make it seem he is working first for P/C. We know what Didier does to teams when he doesn't think the coaches put his French team first (Pechalet and Bourzat to name just one).
To the other who suggested why they would say "we've been working on this for 20 months" if V/M weren't their priority. It's because they were asked about V/M on the show and (as has been stated in the press before) they weren't working on gold, silver, bronze for specific teams. They trained all their teams for gold and hoped for a podium sweep. They almost made it as well if not for the now habitual error from Zach at the last moment. I also think the fact that each team had such a strong say in their FDs and to work with who they wanted to work with shows this as well. V/M chose this time around to do it with just Canadian team and when the French wanted something more they brought in Dean and Cirio. From old videos it was clear P/C started playing with SD concepts with Sam Chouinard but ended up with Dean so their coaches clearly facilitated their desires to prepare them the best way as well.
I think that is enough because I don't want to take more time in a fan thread. Just thought I should respond to those who quoted me. To the one who asked if they can win in 2022. If they are the best in 2022 then why not? V/M medalled in three consecutive Olympics and I think Gabby and Guillaume have a very similar trajectory as V/M. They are so many similarities between these two that it amazes me fans of both don't see it and appreciate them both. The most memorable dance teams since 2008 are all these teams that were paired up as children and made it through together to Seniors. There's a winning formula there for sure.
They didn't. They showed everything live, but cut P/C's SD from the archived footage - the answer I got from them when I asked why I couldn't find it was that they wanted to protect Gabriella's privacy after the costume problem. They showed the FD in full. But Hanretty wasn't commentating because he is working on DOI at the moment.
Romain should be more of a fan of p/c because they are the better skaters. Any coach that P/C work with should be a bigger fan of them than of v/m in terms of skating; otherwise, they don't know what great skating looks like.
Didier was the one who suggested and brought in Dean to my recall.
V/M and P/C are fundamentally different.
Didier was the one who suggested and brought in Dean to my recall.
V/M and P/C are fundamentally different.
They are coaches, they shouldn't be "fans" of anyone, just be able to work objectively with all of their students. Playing favourites is the way to end up with very few students.
Well that was productive. Appreciate your input.
So… did he "say unfortunate things" against VM during Olys? Answer is NO, clearly NO.
As for Worlds 2017, he said there was double standard by comparing P/C SD marks versus performance with V/M FD marks versus performance. One can say he was not in his role to do so even though he didn't make any disclosures.
Double standard was completely obvious, V/M getting almost a season best with their poorest 2017 FD performance (and I am not only talking about Scott Moir's obvious mistake).
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Her face after FD in Euro says it all.
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I asked about 2026
What you mean?
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