2017-18 State of Russian Ladies skating

[moriel]

And it's impossible to deny that Stasya is devilishly cute. Disclaimer - I think, she is not underage.

I dunno she is not my type =)
She just looks so clumsy on ice though - bad posture, weight movements and all.

Me doesnt get it.

 

[tars]

1. It was Stasya's FIRST EVER top-tier international senior tournament.
2. It's not like 60 points is a disaster for a total debutant.
3. She still has free to improve, being only 5 points away from top 10, which would be fantastic final result for a rookie in Worlds. :thumbsup:
4. On a shallow note: she was undisputable miss of the short program.

 

[Ophelia]

Ok aside from the jumps and all, can someone tell me how Eteri's girls manage the massive pressure on them to skate clean everytime? I don't recall many pops or falls from them except for Evgenia earlier this season and Trusova on her quads, but they always deliver when it counts. Do they do some kind of psychological training or do they drill the programs to perfection?

Skating in Eteris group and handling that pressure day in and day out probably makes international competitions feel like a cakewalk.

 

[atsumiri]

2. It's not like 60 points is a disaster for a total debutant.

if you an average skater... mediocre?
maybe...

 

[Shayuki]

if you an average skater... mediocre?
maybe...

Well so, the thing is... It might be okay for the skater of a country like Belgium or something. But Russia? How many skaters are there who are absolute locks to score 60+? Probably half a dozen.

 

[tars]

if you an average skater... mediocre?
maybe...

Sotnikova's debut short in GP was 53.74 points and Tuktamysheva's - 59.57.

Are Olympic and World Champions mediocre skaters?

 

[tars]

Well so, the thing is... It might be okay for the skater of a country like Belgium or something. But Russia? How many skaters are there who are absolute locks to score 60+? Probably half a dozen.

Probably most of them out of shape (Radionova) or injuried (Tsurskaya).

 

[Shayuki]

Probably most of them out of shape (Radionova) or injuried (Tsurskaya).

Well, while that might be the case, both of those skaters have a PCS cushion that Konstantinova doesn't have.

But it's true ... Many of the Russian seniors are actually struggling a lot.

Maybe this would have been the time for a Tuktamysheva return...

 

[Scott512]

We know Zagitova and Medvedeva are great but aren't they three or four skaters ranked after them just okay by Russian ladies standards? They're going to have to wait 2 years for Sasha to be in the world and one year for Alena. If those 2 are the goods as many think they are then Zagitova and Medvedeva will have real backup. But they dont right now and that's partly because of their greatness.

 

[atsumiri]

They're going to have to wait 2 years for Sasha to be in the world and one year for Alena.

why? they're going to move to senior in the same season.
2019/2020.

Sasha 23 June 2004. her BD before 1st July.
Alena 24 August 2003

 

[rlopen]

Sotnikova's debut short in GP was 53.74 points and Tuktamysheva's - 59.57.

Are Olympic and World Champions mediocre skaters?

That was also from a different quad. ABBA girl, someone we almost never talk about, got a 63 at Rostelecom this season in her senior debut, and yet she isn't going to Worlds.

 

[Scott512]

why? they're going to move to senior in the same season.
2019/2020.

Sasha 23 June 2004. her BD before 1st July.
Alena 24 August 2003

Ok.

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Because of Konstantinova, Russia lost silver/bronze of Junior Worlds 2017, and bronze of Junior Worlds 2018. That's really bad. What about seniors, that's okay. Still, with all that juniors' depth, there are no competitive and consistent skaters in seniors, except Medvedeva and Zagitova. Tsurskaya - just one good showing at NHK, next bad skating at Skate USA and at stages of Cup of Russia. Her 3T in 2A+3T combo look URed, skating skills are weak and laboured. Also her 3Lz+3T became worse. Only single jumps of hers are worth to watch, if she's not doubling them, of course. Radionova - she barely skates, Tuktamysheva - same. Who's else?

Really, Konstantinova was the only one available option here, for seniors. Stealing two Gubanova's Worlds Junior medals - that's what's bad.

I want to feel sorry for this girl but will she cost Russia a third slot for next year? How did Maria do?

 

[alvina9894]

I want to feel sorry for this girl but will she cost Russia a third slot for next year? How did Maria do?

No, when considering next years slot allocation, the third skater is irrelevant.
Maria had a bad SP with multiple UR and was saved by a lenient tech panel.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Masha is currently in 5th with 71 points, but she is close to Gabby and Bradie. Mariah and Stanislava look to be non-factors, and Mirai can pull up only if she lands her 3A I think. Masha should finish no worse than 7th-8th. However, Alina is going to move up, I think. It's absurd to think that Carolina's ahead of her now, but it sure won't last (provided Carolina skates the way she normally does and Alina skates her free the way she normally does and there's not too much home scoring. perhaps I expect too much)

 

[Shayuki]

Maria had a bad SP with multiple UR and was saved by a lenient tech panel.

That's true, but she had better get that fixed for the FS... If she URs every triple again and actually gets called for them, it's going to be quite problematic.

Gah, with the state of the Russian seniors they really should have gotten Gubanova that senior grand prix assignment so that she could move up to seniors as well... She might not be a top junior for them right now, but she certainly could help their seniors. Sotskova looks just about ready to phase out, those jumps are horrendous.

Masha is currently in 5th with 71 points, but she is close to Gabby and Bradie. Mariah and Stanislava look to be non-factors, and Mirai can pull up only if she lands her 3A I think. Masha should finish no worse than 7th-8th. However, Alina is going to move up, I think. It's absurd to think that Carolina's ahead of her now, but it sure won't last (provided Carolina skates the way she normally does and Alina skates her free the way she normally does and there's not too much home scoring. perhaps I expect too much)

Home scoring or not, it's almost impossible for Kostner to be ahead of Zagitova after the free skates. She's not had a clean skate... And even if she has a clean skate, her PCS advantage shouldn't be enough in comparison to Zagitova's TES advantage unless they give Kostner +3 GOEs across the board(Which is possible...).

 

[puremagic]

Break for a dance!
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[Lana05]

Panenkova an Gubanova could show good results in seniors next year and i hope for Anna's return

 

[Spirals for Miles]

lowkey thought you would put in a skate of "Lord" Samarin's skate there...lol
you provide the entertainment in this thread!

 

[millie]

Fans talking about age in Figure Skating...Just imagine a 31 year old Carolina beating a 15 year old Alina...This shows that skaters age like fine wine..

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Fans talking about age in Figure Skating...Just imagine a 31 year old Carolina beating a 15 year old Alina...This shows that skaters age like fine wine..

this is about the RUSSIAN ladies and how amazing they are. we get it, you don't like Alina but please, just stop. Some of us think the opposite of you...