ISU VP Lakernik: № of quads may be limited
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Mhmm, exactly what RSU wants. That way, guys like Hanyu and Nathan who have multiple beautiful quads can brace themselve for a new era of Mikhail Kolyada, 5-time world champion! :hap57:
I'm calling it now!
Also, who cares that 2nd half jump values will be limited -- we have now the power of +5 GOE!!
The RSU or Lakernik don't decide this things, only the ISU congress decides this.
All countries with a recognized skating federations are members of the congress and each country has the same one vote.
In addition to it, most decisions need to have a 2/3 majority (of those who bothered to come to the vote).
So, it's not as rigged as you think.
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I feel like they're aiming to cut down on the super long jump setups by cutting down the time but what will probably happen if they go through with this is that more choreography and the steps sequences will be rushed to fit in. We'll probably see choreographic sequences that only last for a second with one spread eagle or something. I doubt we'll see more complete programs with the shorter times which just saddens me :/
The things he says sound nice and logical but the ISU have a track record of focusing the wrong issues and failing to foresee consequences of their decisions. It would be interesting to see what will happen next season. I have a feeling it will be a huge mess with the skaters, their teams and the judges trying to figure out the new system
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Broadcasting. Shorter competitions for the TV audience.
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We will eventually have someone that can do an 8 quad program (and if the rules remain, I suspect before 2026) Right now, Chen could probably do a 7 quad program since he has the loop. I want to see Chen’s 7-quad program. I want to see the 8-quad program. I also would like the lesser technical skaters to be able to use quad combos if they only have one. I see little reason why we should stop this from happening simply because the ISU designed a bad system. I say go to general impression scoring and be done with the monstrosity of adding and multiplying totally arbitrary numbers for routine programs that are staler than stale from all the restrictions. If I have to live with this system and we are really worried about quad falls. I would double the negative GOE (since an error is worse than a positive feature in my book) and increase the fall penalty (and have it increasing with the number of falls). Also, provide guidance to judges that a 3/4 fall program doesn’t deserve 8s or 9s in PCS since you aren’t displaying your skating skills, interpreting music, transitioning, or performing if you are sitting on your butt.
Also, I don't see why we need to expand the number of pairs in the long. I don't think we are missing enormous talents like this. It would be nice, but people can only stand so many hours of figure skating. Either let everyone there compete the long or just keep it as is imo.
Also, I don't see why we need to expand the number of pairs in the long. I don't think we are missing enormous talents like this. It would be nice, but people can only stand so many hours of figure skating. Either let everyone there compete the long or just keep it as is imo.
Frankly, I thinks this is BS. At lengthy competitions most of tv stations broadcast only last flights. At GP, even if they shorten judging time together with the skating time (less elements less to judge!), it will improve the situation by, what, 12 minutes?
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Erm... No, but I also don't think this is the way to enforce better programs. Quads require too much set-up, unless someone's really comfortable with them, so 7/8 quad programs aren't very good. I see their point, but the method, as usual, is terrible.
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What? It will make the competititon shorter by approximately 10 minutes. Is it really worth the TV schedule when the sport itself will be less atractive with rushed programs and less choreo?
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I didn't say it made sense.
No no, I get that ypu were only quoting the ISU reasoning, I meant their reasonkng was BS!
People are never forced to watch. Live audience often comes only for the last flights and that's what tv broadcasters usually do as well, broadcast only the last flights. However, I think it is extremely important for the skaters themselves to be able to advance to the free in championships. How discouraging must it be to know that you have basically no chance to go beyond SP? Why bother practicing the free, why bother improving? Sport is not only for the spectators, it is, and should be, primarily for the athletes.
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I like diversity of programs. I like variety and I don't mind the trade-off. Yes, you probably sacrifice some artistry to get the athletic feat - but that's OK for me. Ideally judges would settle that tradeoff using GOE and PCS. The technical and artistic sides of the sport are always somewhat in contest with each other. But, at the end of the day, this is still a sport and I think we should be receptive to allow technical skates. Very few skaters artistry is so bad that I don't think a marvelous athletic feat should be disallowed or discounted. You really wouldn't want to see someone with two quads axels in a program if they could do it?
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Then again, if they want to increase the number of pairs in the FS, maybe the shortening of competitions is not a reason anymore for the 4 minute FS. I guess they just want to balance the FS length across all disciplines. Next thing we know, they'll balance out the PCS factoring too, given some juniors are starting to do quads; who knows!?
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12 minutes = 48 CM (if the CM is 15 sec) or 24 CM (if the CM is 30 secs)I didn't say it made sense.
If it’s true that the Japanese federation requested that... then it totally makes sense per their viewpoint. Their CMs are packed on tivi.
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No.
I just don't think doing just technique or just art is as hard as doing both convincingly.
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But they won't.
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No.
I'll run out of here before the tomatoes start getting thrown, but I'm not all that impressed with any of the current men artistically. I'd only rank two of them as quite good, but not great, and the rest of the elite competitors mostly average. Perhaps you have a different assessment of that so we diverge on that opinion of the tradeoff, but that's probably why I'm more receptive to athletic skates since I'm not all that wowed with what anyone is doing on the artistic side currently in mens (and don't get me started on how much worse women's is lol).
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