What a Queen.it is even funnier, she wrote: 'there is no democracy on my instagram'.i love her. people dont want to remember their failures.
Evgenia Medvedeva
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https://mrsport.ria.ru/figure_skating/20180506/1136476156.htmlI have the same doubts as Rafael Arutyunyan. He said that Zhenya will improve with Orser but the question is whether judges will notice those improvements and how will be judged. so many worries. I dont know what is more dirty. boxing or figure skating
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The thing is Med won't get better under Eteri. Judges will just give the next the next and the next wonder girl as high score as she is getting. So it does not matter if she stays or does not stay, she will have to face the young girls very soon and the fed might soon favor the other over her. It is something she can not go against.I just don't share the enthusiasm for Orser as a guarantee for greater results than, e. g. 238-240 points combined, which many fans seem to believe instantly. And, the stability of the results. For me, there is no reason for such optimism, when I consider existing facts. I don't want to make an impression that I only care for points (like we all Eteri's fans do, right?
), but if the motivation is mostly winning, than high score is essential (well, if it won't be all affected by rules changes).
However she can not stay either and there is no where else to be frankly. Eteri could not help with adult skater. CSKA is not doing well lately. Raf does not even care to pay attention to transitions.
If Med's goal is to continue dominate the field, then even if she stays or she moves, she won't be able to resit the young girls and the love judges soon will shower on them. If Med's goal is to improve her SS, jump technique and to get some longevity, then TCC is a good place to go for.
I wouldn’t mind many more years of Evgenia Medvedeva.
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I think the problem is that Eteri’s method of doing endless run throughs is super damaging for an adult body, and Zhenya probably realized this. Orser pays more attention to quality than quantity, and while her consistency may not be as good with him, she will be able to skate for longer and with a better quality, Kostner style. Also, I think a lot of her consistency is due to her mental strength, so it won’t necessarily disappear. And one last thing - the new rules may reward Orser’s method more than Eteri’s, but that remains to be seen.
Anyone can have a meltdown. Not everyone can win. 2022 team gold is her best shot at becoming Olympic champion.
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The new rules will only be effective for quality skaters if they change the age limit which I doubt Russian fed will be in favor.
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But why would they even have her do one of the two programs in the team event if there are better, younger skaters with their quads and whatever? If she competes till 2022 she‘ll likely be Russian #3 if even, so she‘d probably be in the position Sotskova was in this OG who didn‘t get to skate in the team event at all, thus depriving her of the chance to get a medal. Yeah, I know, this was Maria Sotskova and not Evgenia Medvedeva but figure skating world is tough and in a few years they might think that Zhenya WAS this champion and that champion but is now done for good? I mean, we‘ve seen it already. I hope it‘s not going to be like this because I love her skating but oh well... It‘s Russian figure skating...
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I just don't share the enthusiasm for Orser as a guarantee for greater results than, e. g. 238-240 points combined
1. Nobody believes Brian is going to wave a magic wand and have her suddenly have perfect technique after this season. Nobody.
2. Do you even know how the stability of her results was achieved?
- her layout has not changed which is a big part of her losing the Olympic gold
- endless repetitions of programs - full runthroughs - over and over again, which is simply not sustainable in mature athletes. The body shuts down. See - Zhenya's injury, that contributed to her losing the Olympic gold
3. No, you're not considering facts. You're making Eteri into this sort of god, which is nonsense. She has a very good handle on how to train young athletes and hasn't a clue how to deal with girls post-puberty, and as the years advance
4. She is already not winning! RusFed has already amply demonstrated what they think of PCS. They boosted Alina through the roof, and exactly the same thing will happen when Anna S, Kosto, Sasha and Tarakanova join. New rules this summer too, so there will be a reset of scores.
5. No, she is not going to be stable now. Why? Because there will be no more insane repeated runthroughs; there will be ample work on two things that Eteri did not fix and that must be fixed. The Lz and the Axel; there will be an attempt to up her technical content, if Brian feels like she's ready.
Zhenya is getting older. This is just a fact of life. She knows what is best for her. Anyone can see what the issue with the Tutberidze group is - Eteri doesn't care about creating long-lasting skaters (might change with Alina, or one of the younger girls; might not. Time will tell but Zhenya was not that). Zhenya does care about lasting.
And yeah, sorry, but Brian Orser is a fantastic coach. He's not a coach for everyone, but literally no coach is. What he and Tracy Wilson can give her is quality over quantity, focus on overall skating, a supremely organized club from top to bottom, mental support which is a massive, massive bit so that for example she doesn't have to stare at quads while she can't do proper steps because he's aware of a skater's mental frame of mind, access to the best choreographers and they can give her their attention properly.
Is it going to be enough? Who knows. But she set herself up to have the best chance possible and she's fighting for it. With Eteri, there would have been no chance in the first place.
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Ok hmmmm... If I can just give my two cents, I would agree with Yatagarasu. Like any other sport skating is dependent on the good leadership of the coach and the determination and the talent the skaters were born with. Orsers comes through to me as a coach that will support the skater in any way he can to improve their skating. However, victory and success is also dependent on the natural talent and body type of the skater (other than the physical work they put into skating - I BELIEVE). So in a nutshell, Orser is a good coach (especially if he is working with already exceptional skaters, cuz Yuna, Javi and Yuzu all had that extra in them) and Zhenya is an exceptional skater. I've seen a lot of people comparing her case to Yuna's but I think they are completely opposite. So the relationship that did not work out between Yuna and Brian might work out between Zhenya and Brian. We gotta see.
ANYWAYS psychological factors also play a big role here (psych student here, but you don't need to be a genius to figure these out). I think Zhenya training in Canada would be extremely beneficial to her mentally. Yes of course, she is very patriotic and it will be hard for her to leave her country, just like for anyone else.... but I just can't picture her staying in Russia... For one she has already stated her fear of being replaced by the younger skaters... Staying in Sambo, being constantly reminded how Eteri is coming up with skaters to replace you, Russian media ganging up on you and all these rumors will not benefitted her PR either (plus we know about all the past incidents about her being Armenian-Russian).
In Canada there are a lot of people that she has become close with like Gabby Daleman (which I was very surprised to see), Tessa (she's probably ok with Scott as well), Meagan Duhamel, Cha Jun-Hwan, and of course Patrick, Javi and Yuzu. Plus Misha lives in the States so at least they will be on the same continent
I just think she would be more free, could interact with people (I swear to God a Lambiel x Zhenya would be my dream come true) and be surrounded with more positivity and support.
BUT, IT IS HER DECISION AFTER ALL AND WHAT SHE CHOSES WILL BE THE OPTION SHE THINKS SHE WILL BENEFIT THE MOST OF. And that is the most important... I cannot make dreams for her in my own head XD. I cannot choose for her. I think it would come with a fresh new start for her and a beginning for her adult figure skating career. But of course things can always end up opposite form what they were supposed to be
ANYWAYS psychological factors also play a big role here (psych student here, but you don't need to be a genius to figure these out). I think Zhenya training in Canada would be extremely beneficial to her mentally. Yes of course, she is very patriotic and it will be hard for her to leave her country, just like for anyone else.... but I just can't picture her staying in Russia... For one she has already stated her fear of being replaced by the younger skaters... Staying in Sambo, being constantly reminded how Eteri is coming up with skaters to replace you, Russian media ganging up on you and all these rumors will not benefitted her PR either (plus we know about all the past incidents about her being Armenian-Russian).
In Canada there are a lot of people that she has become close with like Gabby Daleman (which I was very surprised to see), Tessa (she's probably ok with Scott as well), Meagan Duhamel, Cha Jun-Hwan, and of course Patrick, Javi and Yuzu. Plus Misha lives in the States so at least they will be on the same continent
I just think she would be more free, could interact with people (I swear to God a Lambiel x Zhenya would be my dream come true) and be surrounded with more positivity and support.
BUT, IT IS HER DECISION AFTER ALL AND WHAT SHE CHOSES WILL BE THE OPTION SHE THINKS SHE WILL BENEFIT THE MOST OF. And that is the most important... I cannot make dreams for her in my own head XD. I cannot choose for her. I think it would come with a fresh new start for her and a beginning for her adult figure skating career. But of course things can always end up opposite form what they were supposed to be
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If Zhenya is really going to Orser (fingers crossed!) I would be very curious to see their interaction in training\kiss&cry\ecc. I wonder which type of relationship they will have - Zhenya is more similar to Yuzu than she is to Javi, she is very headstrong, a perfectionist and used to insane training hours.
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That's what I really don't see here. The utter rush against any doubt speaks for itself.
As if Zheyna was the only wounded skater ever.
There are more, and you may be surprised, even in Orser's team.That's just opinion, which I don't share. And no, I don't see her as god, but I don't see Orser as god either, which seems to be new narrative here. As I have written, very few ladies stays with him for longer time.
Noboby wins everytime, but any Orser's girl won anything important for eight years.
Yes, there will be attempt. But why everybody speaks as if it is done already. I did not see any outstanding skating quality in Orser's ladies.
I agree and wish Zhenya long sporting life. But I don't think she will stay for longer time with Orser.
To the bold: I agree he is great in men's field. Is he also great for ladies? I do not see any example from 2010. Literally none. I ain't say he is bad coach, but I don't understand those superlatives when there is no solid groud for it (on ladies field).
But OK, in the end only the results will speak for themselves. And maybe you will be surprised, I wish you are right. Just wait for the next season, right?
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This is something she is going to forget about and thank the skating gods for not small but huge mercies!
Quality over quantity, always and forever. Especially the older you get, the more important it becomes. There is absolutely no need for this, if the time actually spent at practice is thought out and good. Orser is a firm believer of this and it makes me very happy.
He's used to perfectionists so I am sure that won't be an issue
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what does it say?
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But this is simply not true. In the very text you're quoting I straight up say I do not know if it will be enough. There is no way that you do not understand what that means, so you're purposefully choosing to ignore it.
Sorry, I don't do cherry picking, it's a waste of my time. Yes, I'm sure you don't think she'll stay with Orser because you don't want her to. To be blunt, if you think it's not transparent that you hate the idea she left Eteri and thus don't want it to work out with Orser, think again. But it's pointless to discuss anything then. I can only tell you good luck because this Zhenya will never be what you want her to be. She has a mind of her own, and that mind drastically differs from yours, as seen by her actions.
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With the fact that Evgenia goes to the TCC is almost official, I wonder if we'll see her with mature programs without being dramatic or rock / hip hop programs or someday see her dance to Ghibli / anime / Asian dramas music? I'm impatient to see this collaboration I'm sure it'll be fine for her, as for Yuzuru.
Here are some pictures in addition to their visit to USJ, Evgenia's English is so cute <3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTH6ZTNc_nI&feature=youtu.be
Here are some pictures in addition to their visit to USJ, Evgenia's English is so cute <3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTH6ZTNc_nI&feature=youtu.be
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Ignoring everything else... No. Not next season. Her technique won't be fixed in a season, and she will be inconsistent. There's no use denying it. I ask you to not draw conclusions based on next season, simply so you acknowledge how these things work.
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lol, evgenia describing skating with eyelash extensions
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