Evgenia Medvedeva to train under Brian Orser

[cruzceleste]

Then how do you explain her team&daughter deleting Evgenia content exactly when the rumors started? How could Eteri not know if the Russian forums, her VK staff and her own daughter did?

When was this? I didn´t even knew Eteri has a daughter

 

[yoloaxel]

It's not about "knowing", it's about telling them directly. Releasing rumors about it isn't the same thing, or even telling her daughter about it isn't the same thing. I hope you understand what I'm saying.

I understand what you're saying, but that doesn't deny that Eteri lied saying that she learned it 2 days ago from the media - she lied about that, so she may very well be lying about Zhenya blindsiding her. Again, I agree we'll never know.

 

[beachmouse]

She could be paying it with her own money, she has various sponsors.

A number or Russian athletes have good sponsorship and endorsement deals that go far beyond their country or sport. I mean Maria Sharapova spent a decade trying to get me to buy a Cannon camera and all.

Looking at the timeline, I do wonder if Med had a come to Jesus moment (to borrow a US Southern phrase) with a blunt German doctor after the Olympics that came down to 'If you keep doing what you have been doing, you're going to be out of the sport for good with injury by 2020, and having a hard time walking properly by age 40' which led to a period of introspection about what to do going forward in her skating career. I know that with a number of sports, the doctors associated with team or club tend to have a patch them up and send them out to compete again mentality without as much concern over long term athlete welfare, and that going to get medical care from a more independent source can often lead to a far more conservative plan and timeline for a return to elite competition that has a stronger emphasis on athlete health as a whole. (See how the National Football League spent decades blowing off concussion concerns)

 

[Shayuki]

I understand what you're saying, but that doesn't deny that Eteri lied saying that she learned it 2 days ago from the media - she lied about that, so she may very well be lying about Zhenya blindsiding her. Again, I agree we'll never know.

And on this, my theory is that Eteri learned about the rumors but didn't get official confirmation until then. In any case, that's not really what's important to my argument here.

edit: Ah, Eteri even said that she knew about the rumors? So what you're saying is just wrong, then?

 

[andromache]

Eteri said that she knew about the rumors. Probably Evgenia negotiated with the RusFed and even Sambo 70 behind Eteri's back and of course Eteri learned about this. It's a small world after all.
What I understood is that Eteri would have expected Evgenia to reply to her messages and to speak about her wish to leave.

Why would you tell your coach that you want to leave when you don't even know if your federation will let you? You kind of HAVE to negotiate with the club and the federation before you can tell your coach, because if you're told you have to stay with the same coach, it's pretty awkward for everyone if you then are forced to stay with the coach.

 

[madison]

Why would you tell your coach that you want to leave when you don't even know if your federation will let you? You kind of HAVE to negotiate with the club and the federation before you can tell your coach, because if you're told you have to stay with the same coach, it's pretty awkward for everyone if you then are forced to stay with the coach.

Because it's a matter of honesty?

 

[tha]

When was this? I didn´t even knew Eteri has a daughter

Lmao

 

[andromache]

Because it's a matter of honesty?

But it's stupid to risk completely ruining your relationship with your coach when you might be forced to stay with them. This is evidently how the Russian system works.

ETA: Especially if you're worried that your coach will fight the federation to stop you from leaving.

 

[Manitou]

... Maria Sharapova spent a decade trying to get me to buy a Cannon camera and all.

Her "every shot is a PowerShot!" didn't work, because I ended up buying Nikon.

 

[yume]

i don't think orser can provide this exclusively... or else Lil Bet would go up in PCS much faster than she has. Wakaba had a great LP at worlds. She is just in her second season and has blown it a few times, including for Japanese Nationals.... I don't think international judges are involved with Wakaba's mistakes and her non-qualification for Olympics.... Wakaba will get higher scores this season with or without Orser, if she keeps skating the way she did at worlds... just like the other girls who are winning events get higher scores. I like Wakaba's skating. I think she is my favourite in current Japanese ladies and by far. I don't think she is underscored though. She is young and there are a few things she can easily improve in her projection and connection. YNNV

So she didn't get high PCS because she did a few mistakes in international comps this season? I guess that it's normal for her to get low PCS when she make mistakes, but that others' PCS consistently rise while they're doing mistakes too is also normal.

And you're right international judges has nothing to do with Wakaba non-selection for olympics

 

[VerityXxX]

And on this, my theory is that Eteri learned about the rumors but didn't get official confirmation until then. In any case, that's not really what's important to my argument here.

edit: Ah, Eteri even said that she knew about the rumors? So what you're saying is just wrong, then?

Well Zhenya never seemed overly close to Diana so if she’s deleting pics she probably heard it from someone else and the most likely suspect is Eteri—for all we know Zhenya May have called Eteri and told her all of this whilst she was on holiday but the records and texts wouldn’t show this.

 

[Yatagarasu]

Gosh.. the only thing I hope is that David Wilson doesn't decide to Lubov up Evgenia's programs by having her skate to "From Russia with Love" :blech:

I almost choked on my coffee, some warning please, thanks

 

[silverfoxes]

I don't think she'd do that sort of a thing simply because of how much she favored Medvedeva. I just don't see that. Especially considering the statements she's made on the departures of some other skaters who she wasn't nearly as fond of.

Of course, we'll never know what actually happened(unless it evolves past she said she said), I just assess things based on my psychological readings on people.

Did you think that Evgenia looked like she was ready to bolt before the news came out? If not, then maybe your psychological readings are not 100%. How do you really know who Eteri is most fond of? Based on what you see in the kiss'n'cry? Maybe she is most fond of whoever is bringing her the most accolades on any given day, who follows her instructions and doesn't cause a lot of problems or question her methods. Evgenia grew up and is clearly a strong-willed young woman with a mind of her own...not a child who could be dragged around on the ice any more.

 

[Watch]

And on this, my theory is that Eteri learned about the rumors but didn't get official confirmation until then. In any case, that's not really what's important to my argument here.

edit: Ah, Eteri even said that she knew about the rumors? So what you're saying is just wrong, then?

The rumours were rumours for us. The insiders have known for a while and it's quite literally impossible that Eteri wouldn't know that her student left her when the manager of her club knew. She's claiming she learned it from the news on tv on Saturday.

 

[Yatagarasu]

It's not about "knowing", it's about telling them directly.

But you don't know that she didn't tell them directly. Zhenya refused to comment on any of the issues, as she rightly should.

I mean of course you believe Eteri but well ...

 

[rikaquegira]

Evgenia Medvedeva Shall Go to Brian Orser

Hmm... Daleman and Tursynbaeva both pre-rotate their toe jumps and at least Daleman has some issues with the edge. So I'm not really sure about that...

That’s why I said they have *mostly* *very good* technique.
And Brian is not Daleman’s main coach.
Tursynbaeva is very young, maybe they’ll correct that with time. I hope so.

This was a bit off topic.

Anyway, my point is
I think Brian will *at least* try to correct Medvedeva’s technique. Maybe not right away and god knows how long it will take but I believe he won’t just completely ignore the issue.

 

[Izabela]

Now that it’s all out, I’m really excited to see how Evgenia will fair under Orser. Also, for the naysayer here, it would be unfair to use the upcoming season to gauge how Evgenia improves, because more likely than not she will be inconsistent. I don’t think the jumps will be the first changes we’ll l gonna see (that will take years), but mostly on her skating skills (particularly the use of her upper body). I wonder if who will work on her first, Orser or Tracy. I’m more excited to know who will choreograph her programs.

Anyways, Orser has a rather colorful coaching career. Not only we’ll see the Orser v Eteri now, we’ll also have the Orser v Raf and all their charges. Must be fun seeing them shuffling their jackets.

 

[rikaquegira]

Evgenia Medvedeva Shall Go to Brian Orser

Yeah, next season will be one hell of a season(with demons and fire and everything) lol
It will surely be a messy season with the coach changes and the rule changes, we’re in for a good show! I think there’ll be some surprises. Grab your popcorns! [emoji23]

 

[Danny T]

How things actually went down aside, it's very obvious to anyone that out of Alina and Evgenia, Eteri preferred (oops, past tense now ) the latter. And yes, even when Evgenia was not winning Euros & OG. I'm not saying she actively mistreats Alina or something, but it was quite clear her fave was Med. Even if we discount KnC reactions and post-KnC, Eteri herself told people not to refer to Alina as Olys Champ. I'm sure Eteri loves medals; it made her reaction to Evgenia losing even more surprising.

Plus, Zhulin did say Eteri said she wanted Evgenia to win more.

 

[AlexRus]

classy, but still she fires back "Also, I wish all the children from the Eteri Georgievna group, the greatest health, patience, diligence and sports longevity, because we all now know figure skating is moving forward"

Problem of translation. Medvedeva did not tell "children", she used the word which may mean children, teenagers and young men and women.
Most correct translation in this context is non-literal - "skaters" or "athlenes".