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I agree with your whole post. Maybe I won't be popular with my opinion but :

I like that Zhenya will train with Orser. It will be very interesting to see how it works. How will change Zhenya's skate and her fight with the other Russians
girls will be more interesting. I believe Eteri is not flawless, she looks like not a likeable person and he wasn't flawless in this situation but you don't forget she was hurted she was in doubt. Zhenya had plan. Eteri worked with Zhenya for 11 years. If you like Zhenya's skating that is her works she made a great skater from that little girl. According to TAT they look like mother and daughter, Zhenya was her pet.And it seems she doesn't deserve a fair good bye from Zhenya.

Unless you are on the inside, no one really knows what happened for sure. I have no idea who leaked the news, whether the texts are real, whether what Eteri accused Zhenya of is real...

The facts are:
1)Zhenya and Eteri were super close. I'd say they know each other as well as can be expected.
2)Zhenya has handled things extremely professionally in the past, yet felt the need to do it this way. Cuz of Eteri, RusFed, both? I don't know.
3)Eteri has had a history of bad breakups, and obviously did not take it well this time either.

Ultimately, this relationship has ran its course, and it's time to move on. I think many within the figure skating circle (not fans) saw this coming.
 
Never ending drama.... The move is very interesting indeed, and somehow in accordance with the upcoming rule change. Will it be a smart to move to Orser? Against Russian skaters? Probably yes. With the new rules, there is no way Medvedeva can win over Zagitova via TES. It is not a secret that Zagitova jumps better and clearer than Med. Therefore she has to make changes to work on her jumps, and also on her programs (to show her maturity) to differentiate herself from her russian competitors. However, will it be a smart move against her other competitors outside Russia? Well, I am not so sure. Clean Osmond jumps lot better than Medvedeva except one edge issue, and has better skating skills. So she may get higher TES than Med under the new rules, which means that Med should edge her out via PCS. The reasons why Med has enjoyed higher PCS would be more transitions in and out of the jumps, and perhaps consistency. But now that she will be skating in same ‘north American style’, which will probably have less transitions than before (Wilson will not include unnecessary transitions for sure), what will be the ground for Med getting higher PCS than Osmond or Kostner, based on the assumption that all of their programs are so called north American style, and all very much refined? It will be very interesting to see judges’ choice next season. OGM Zagitova with full support from Russian Federation? OSM but ‘new’ Med? New world champ Osmond? It will be no less than a war I suppose!
 
Ah, so you are still at it I see. Well, I guess everything Evgenia says or does can be interpreted in a negative way if there's a will. People will see what they want to see. How about these alternative readings of what you (and, admittedly some others) have been harping on:
- Evgenia didn't respond to Eteri's messages so she must be rude and ingrateful - or how about she's been advised to do so by her team? Sounds very plausible to me.
- if Evgenia is a hypocrite for congratulating Alina while -maybe- wishing Alina had been kept on the Jr circuit, then I guess we're all hypocrites. Have you never been in a situation when you had to say nice things to a relative you cannot stand to prevent a family scandal, to a colleague who, say, got a promotion in your place because other colleagues are watching, to tell white lies and pretend you're interested in what people you don't give a toss about tell you? And the whole world was watching her. TBH, I vastly prefer Evgenia's classy conduct to an undoutedly genuine but unsportsmanlike display of emotion at getting an Olympic silver.
- even if Evgenia did say what Eteri claims she did about Alina, how about she's not being bitter/jealous/whatever, but just a normal human with emotions and outbursts. That happens to the very best of us, and let whoever never said anything in the heat of a moment cast the first stone.
Just offering an alternative POV, and I'm leaving it at that.

I didn't wait too much from Evgenia: " Medvedeva in private, for not saying goodbye to Eteri face to face." maybe this whole situation would have been less rude.
 
While I agree with first two points, third one is wrong. I don't see any nationalism here, moreover situation will be exactly the same if she would move to, let's say CSKA or Plushenko, or Lambiel, or whoever else. It's not about coach, it's about how she has done it. If you follow this, you should know that in March she said in interview that she continues to work with Eteri without any doubt, and after few weeks she already started negotiations with a different coach. She is a blatant liar and a hypocrite. That's all. Like it or not, these are simple facts.

Every person would say the same like zhenya openly in a tv interview. She did not know at this time that she was going to orser.
Just imagine, she would say i don´t know or i want to change my coach. On the ice with eteri there would be a poisonous atmopshpäre.
 
I would say that both did something bad. Medvedeva in private, for not saying goodbye to Eteri face to face. Eteri in public, for her comments who may seem rude.

Anyway, Is there many skaters who have their entire career with one Coach?

I agree. It might not have ended much better otherwise with Eteri, but anytime between April 22 when she met with Orser and May 7, when she returned from vacation, she should have spoken with Eteri, even if by phone. But she's 18 and Eteri was her coach for 11 of those years and I think Zhenya was just afraid of confronting her. Despite Zhenya's reasons for leaving (wanting a change in order to progress in her career, trying different methods, not wanting to be in a constant high pressure cooking pot of a situation), Eteri is/was still one of the most important people in her life and I feel like she just didn't know how to say she was going to leave. And then rumors broke out, the Sambo manager talked, Eteri went on TV spitting mad (and making petty comments) and any opportunity for Zhenya to figure out how to say it to Eteri's face first got blown away. It was not the best way to deal with it on Zhenya's part, indeed, and she should have expected, after 11 years training with Eteri, that there'd be an escalation on the issue. Whoever advised her to keep complete silence after she settled the deal with Orser were in the wrong.
 
Whenever there's split of long-term relationships, things get messy, but it is always the first one who made it ugly in public loses. And especially if the role comes from a teacher/nurturer who is suppose to hold higher moral standard who is supposed to have the very best intention for their students above their own. When the teacher appears in public wanting seemingly tarnishing their student's reputation, public image as some sort of vindication or even vendetta to boast/protect their own selfish pride, it can never end up looking well.

Respect needs to work both ways. Loyalty needs to work both ways. Trust is a delicate bond that is easy to fracture when the seed of doubt can come from all directions, rivals, friends of rivals, or even come within oneself with a bad outing.

Wish both of them can move on in positive ways, they have a lot to prove now.

Eteri needs to show her student can last more than 2 great seasons beyond puberty and part with her on good terms, as hard as it is to let go.
Evegenia has the freedom and the best champion incubator environment in the world to work with... hope she can develop her craft beyond COP points to find her skating voice to become a great.

Lucky Brian, he gets the most talented skaters to work with... don't screw it up!! :laugh:
 

This was in March. Evgenia first contacted Orser in April. She wasn't gonna say publicly that she was thinking of changing coach - had Orser rejected her she would have found herself in a really bad situation. She is an athlete and has to be smart about this sort of move. Athletes need to do business as well if they want to succeed.
 
Russian media is determined to make this a mess ugh ...

I mean, highlight Eteri and Evgenia all you want, fine, they are the ones in the centre of this separation and both have things to say to the press. Chase them down for comments for all I care. Still, leave Alina and BOrser alone please. Alina is obviously not the 'evil step-sister' in this story; Eteri didn't even want her to win in the first place. From the look of things, Evgenia didn't confide in Alina about this (no reason she should) so what is Alina going to say? And BOrser didn't even lure Evgenia away - she approached him first! (and to highlight his sexuality ugh ugh ugh)

Hey, but that's how media works, what can I say :slink:

From all this wonder how Alina took the comment that her coach didn’t want her to win [emoji848]
 
In the statement, Evgenia specifically mentioned German doctor's advice of staying away from (heavy load). It kind of implies that if she continues to work with Eteri, she will not avoid the heavy training and will risk injuring herself more. Is this one of the main reasons?

It also implies she will be training differently in Canada with at least less work load. So I think Evgenia blames her injury on Eteri's heavy training, which arguably stopped her from stopping Alina's momentum, therefore, bye Eteri.

I am just trying to understand the logic.

She might have thought that she wouldn't be able to cope with Eteri's workload, but I doubt she blamed the injury on her. Even if Orser's students don't have such heavy workload (I read somewhere that Hanyu's got about 2 hours of on-ice training daily?) and he seems to care about health, he can't protect his students from injury. This season 3 of his proteges suffered from a major injury. So she can't be thinking Orser=no injuries.

Not a big name, but still known - Adam Rippon, shortly after Yuna. Orser was emotionally effected with the split with Yuna at the time, my impression was it effected the coaching situation with Rippon.

After Yuna and Adam Rippon's departure, Orser said in an interview he wouldnt let himself get emotionally involved anymore.

Even after all these years, among Brian Orser, Tracy Wilson, Ghisland Briand, Orser is the most serious in public. Tracy is encouraging, Briand enthusiastic.

There was also Nam Nguyen. If I remember correctly, it was the side sources who mentioned conflict with parents and expectation of better results in the face of Nam's dramatic growth spurt. I believe Orser himself said nothing.

While I agree with first two points, third one is wrong. I don't see any nationalism here, moreover situation will be exactly the same if she would move to, let's say CSKA or Plushenko, or Lambiel, or whoever else. It's not about coach, it's about how she has done it. If you follow this, you should know that in March she said in interview that she continues to work with Eteri without any doubt, and after few weeks she already started negotiations with a different coach. She is a blatant liar and a hypocrite. That's all. Like it or not, these are simple facts.

I seriously doubt Evgenia was plotting to leave while at the same time promising to stay. I actually believe she was being honest in her intention to stay initially. The question is, did something happen in the meantime? Those rumors about the Rus fed wanting her to retire? Or was it just that Evgenia had the time to sit down and analyze the situation, think over what awaited her at Sambo, digest Trusova's WJC win, mull over what the doctor had said?

For example, Polina T and Maria S went to holidays together last year.
I would not start here what friendship is, as it is subjective and different from person to person, but this was my feeling> that Alina and Evgenia are 2 people who are friendly and respect each other, but not great friends.

Matter of translation perhaps? "Friend" in English may denote a much looser relationship than in other languages. In english "friend" can be someone you go out shopping with and whom you visit to play computer games, but in some languages it's reserved for people you share intimate details with and see yourself in touch with 20 years down the line.
 
I agree. It might not have ended much better otherwise with Eteri, but anytime between April 22 when she met with Orser and May 7, when she returned from vacation, she should have spoken with Eteri, even if by phone. But she's 18 and Eteri was her coach for 11 of those years and I think Zhenya was just afraid of confronting her. Despite Zhenya's reasons for leaving (wanting a change in order to progress in her career, trying different methods, not wanting to be in a constant high pressure cooking pot of a situation), Eteri is/was still one of the most important people in her life and I feel like she just didn't know how to say she was going to leave. And then rumors broke out, the Sambo manager talked, Eteri went on TV spitting mad (and making petty comments) and any opportunity for Zhenya to figure out how to say it to Eteri's face first got blown away. It was not the best way to deal with it on Zhenya's part, indeed, and she should have expected, after 11 years training with Eteri, that there'd be an escalation on the issue. Whoever advised her to keep complete silence after she settled the deal with Orser were in the wrong.

And how do we know Evgenia didn’t call Eteri? Unless we suddenly discover all of Evgenia/Eteri phone records we can’t be sure there really was no communication between the both. And judging only by Eteri’sn pattern of dragging students that leave her I take her side of information with very little value.
 
Never ending drama.... The move is very interesting indeed, and somehow in accordance with the upcoming rule change. Will it be a smart to move to Orser? Against Russian skaters? Probably yes. With the new rules, there is no way Medvedeva can win over Zagitova via TES. It is not a secret that Zagitova jumps better and clearer than Med. Therefore she has to make changes to work on her jumps, and also on her programs (to show her maturity) to differentiate herself from her russian competitors. However, will it be a smart move against her other competitors outside Russia? Well, I am not so sure. Clean Osmond jumps lot better than Medvedeva except one edge issue, and has better skating skills. So she may get higher TES than Med under the new rules, which means that Med should edge her out via PCS. The reasons why Med has enjoyed higher PCS would be more transitions in and out of the jumps, and perhaps consistency. But now that she will be skating in same ‘north American style’, which will probably have less transitions than before (Wilson will not include unnecessary transitions for sure), what will be the ground for Med getting higher PCS than Osmond or Kostner, based on the assumption that all of their programs are so called north American style, and all very much refined? It will be very interesting to see judges’ choice next season. OGM Zagitova with full support from Russian Federation? OSM but ‘new’ Med? New world champ Osmond? It will be no less than a war I suppose!

Well i don't think that Rusfed will switch her love so easily. Medvedeva is the most supported skater by the fed (more than Zagitova ), barring meldtowns in GPs i don't see her lose her PCS and GOEs, even with less transitions.
Given how easy the fed let her go to Orser it doesn't seem like there is bad feelings.
 
And how do we know Evgenia didn’t call Eteri? Unless we suddenly discover all of Evgenia/Eteri phone records we can’t be sure there really was no communication between the both. And judging only by Eteri’sn pattern of dragging students that leave her I take her side of information with very little value.

We don't know, you're right. All we know is she didn't reply to text messages, there's no way of confirming whether she contacted Eteri any other way. Either way, this ended up being an unfortunately messy separation.
 
This was in March. Evgenia first contacted Orser in April. She wasn't gonna say publicly that she was thinking of changing coach - had Orser rejected her she would have found herself in a really bad situation. She is an athlete and has to be smart about this sort of move. Athletes need to do business as well if they want to succeed.

She could at least discuss that with her coach, but she decided to not even try. That's her choice. I have zero respect for such people.

I seriously doubt Evgenia was plotting to leave while at the same time promising to stay. I actually believe she was being honest in her intention to stay initially. The question is, did something happen in the meantime? Those rumors about the Rus fed wanting her to retire? Or was it just that Evgenia had the time to sit down and analyze the situation, think over what awaited her at Sambo, digest Trusova's WJC win, mull over what the doctor had said?

You see, it's all about "who believes who". I don't believe either of them, but saying one thing and doing other means she is a hypocrite. Also she doesn't want to comment on the words about Zagitova, which most likely means it's true.
 
She could at least discuss that with her coach, but she decided to not even try. That's her choice. I have zero respect for such people.
You see, it's all about "who believes who". I don't believe either of them, but saying one thing and doing another means she is a hypocrite.
Which reminds me of Yulia, the poor girl wanted to change coach in early season but someone kept her there (the club became almost a prision for her) and for several months she could not do anything, which led to the fiasco of changing coach mid season.
I am sure Med has learned a lesson from that.
 
Well i don't think that Rusfed will switch her love so easily. Medvedeva is the most supported skater by the fed (more than Zagitova ), barring meldtowns in GPs i don't see her lose her PCS and GOEs, even with less transitions.
Given how easy the fed let her go to Orser it doesn't seem like there is bad feelings.

Considering how Russia was this close to losing 3 spots at Worlds this year, I'm not sure they can afford to turn their back on Evgenia at this point. Things might change when the junior phenomenons turn senior, but right now they'll back her. You can't have 3 spots with only one skater doing well.
 
She could at least discuss that with her coach, but she decided to not even try. That's her choice. I have zero respect for such people.

Apart from the fact that we only have Eteri's version of events on the matter - how would it have gone down? Evgenia would have gone to Eteri and be like "soooo I wanna leave and work with Orser" and then if Orser had said no she would have found herself with no Eteri and no Brian. That's just not an option. Plus, their relationship must have become strained enough for Evgenia to want to leave that Eteri must have had a good idea it was going to happen.
 
She could at least discuss that with her coach, but she decided to not even try. That's her choice. I have zero respect for such people.


You see, it's all about "who believes who". I don't believe either of them, but saying one thing and doing other means she is a hypocrite. Also she doesn't want to comment on the words about Zagitova, which most likely means it's true.


1)Do you always tell your boss when you chg jobs? Well, it would depend on who your boss is & the situation, wouldn't it. ;)

2)If someone drags you into a mud fight in public, do you always have to respond in public? immediately? Some might choose to do it in private, or at a later date. Zhenya responding in public is for the public, not for Alina.
 
Apart from the fact that we only have Eteri's version of events on the matter - how would it have gone down? Evgenia would have gone to Eteri and be like "soooo I wanna leave and work with Orser" and then if Orser had said no she would have found herself with no Eteri and no Brian. That's just not an option. Plus, their relationship must have become strained enough for Evgenia to want to leave that Eteri must have had a good idea it was going to happen.
+111
Also, Evgenia and Brian met on the 22nd. Two days later that Eteri VK group went as far as deleting most Evgenia photos. So if they knew she most likely knew as well. As soon as the switch was confirmed.



(Tbh there is no point in this, we will never know what happened backstage anyways)
 
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