Has anyone done this in a spin?

[treesprite]

I am wondering if anyone has done a change of direction on the same foot, by doing a counter-rotation jump from the spin foot back onto the same foot. A video would be nice to see. I'm imagining that if a person starts with a backspin (back outside edge), he or she might theoretically be able to do a lutz-type takeoff jump/hop to land in a forward spin (back inside edge) on the same foot in the opposite direction. I'm sure it would way too hard for me personally to ever do, but I would like to see someone else do it.

 

[silver.blades]

I don't think this would be physically possible unless, maybe the spin was very slow. If I understand you correctly, you would need to be able to reverse the rotation of the spin mid-spin. That would require a great deal of force. It would be super cool if it could be pulled off though.

 

[treblemakerem]

I'm not sure how you could get the momentum to spin the other way. It seems like you'd have to slow down. I could see doing something where you exit a spin and do a counter or a rocker into a spin in the other direction.

 

[gkelly]

I am wondering if anyone has done a change of direction on the same foot, by doing a counter-rotation jump from the spin foot back onto the same foot.

I've never seen anything like that.

The closest thing I have seen -- and it was not in competition, so there was no video -- was a spin that changed direction on the ice by an edge change.

Picture a paragraph loop with much smaller circles and multiple loops (i.e., a spin of multiple revolutions) on each edge/circle before and after the edge change.

 

[treesprite]

If the transition jump is high enough, it will buy enough air time to do the direction change. The timing would have to be extremely precise. I mostly imagine it starting as a sit spin that has a slightly less bent knee, so there is already a jump takeoff knee bend, without the bend being so deep that the leg isn't strong enough to do the jump. The sit spin position also makes the body already in a tighter position than some other spin positions.

If I was still a teenager doing what I could do back then, I would play with this. Unfortunately, I can't skate at that level anymore, and will most likely never do so again. Too many age-related limitations.

 

[jf12]

If the transition jump is high enough, it will buy enough air time to do the direction change. The timing would have to be extremely precise. I mostly imagine it starting as a sit spin that has a slightly less bent knee, so there is already a jump takeoff knee bend, without the bend being so deep that the leg isn't strong enough to do the jump. The sit spin position also makes the body already in a tighter position than some other spin positions.

I think to get the leverage to jump the other way, they would have to slow down or pop the toepick in for an abrupt stop before the jump anyway and jump in the 2nd direction.. it would be impossible to take off spinning one direction, jump up still spinning in the 1st direction and land in the 2nd direction.

 

[Ziotic]

I think this is what Keatlyn Osmons does in her LP final spin.

Back outside camel to a jump then front broken leg spin on the opposite foot.

 

[gkelly]

Lots of skaters change foot with a jump.

What treesprite is talking about is changing direction (clockwise to counterclockwise or vice versa) on the same foot. Much much much harder. Too hard for most elite skaters and therefore almost certainly too hard for treesprite.

 

[treesprite]

I was playing with a spinner thing that someone left at the rink, and just from that fumbling around, I am certain someone with a lot of skill and precise timing could do what I'm talking about on the ice. The biggest challenge I had was with my foot not coming back down on the spinner, since the turning was dependent on the use of the spinner. I was on the clock, so I could only try it a few times.