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Thank you, these posts are very informative! Zhenya's loop is Golden!
Evgenia Medvedeva
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Thank you, these posts are very informative! Zhenya's loop is Golden!
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No!! Brian, don‘t do that. Don‘t put Zhenya‘s 2A in combo at all. It‘s by far her weakest jump besides the lutz so why put a combo after it? And I don‘t find combos with half loops in between aesthetically pleasing. I know that‘s just my preference but I really don‘t enjoy watching them. To my mind, there are much more beautiful jump combinations skaters could use. And especially Evgenia doesn‘t need a combo after her already quite weak axel. Her 3S-3T combo is totally fine, as is her 3F-3T. Even her 3F-2T-2T she used in Leftovers for a while was better than any combo with the 2A.
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Maybe Zhenya could do this once she gets her lutz fixed...
3F-3T
3Lz-2T
3Lz
2A
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3Lo-1Lo-3S
3F
2A
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Hmmm so my dream right now would be for her to have a -3lo combo because I don't love the -1Lo-3S combo. If she managed it, then she could do:
Option A (lutz fixed):
3F-3Lo
3Lz-2T-2Lo
3Lz
2A
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3Lo
3S-3T
2A
Option B (iffy Lutz)
3F-3Lo
3Lz
3F-2T2Lo
2A
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3Lo
3S-3T
2A
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All the combos will go to the end, if there's any way she can pull that off, to maximize the TES. If not all 3, then the 2 of higher value. She has very little choice.
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If she can do it consistently, then she should do it. I think they will at least try it, hopefully. I don't know how doable it is, but if she manages to retain her incredible consistency it would pay off.
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I'm mostly thinking of stamina. She has the mental strength and focus. I'm sure they'll try too, and it might be doable especially if they are working on adding more strength/muscles to her frame (and they seem to be). If she can then it's the ideal option, Lz or no Lz really.
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I feel like people think that backloading lots of combos is going to be very easy because I think under the new rules it will be harder then ever to get the max backloading bonus. Zagitova the most obvious example tends to do all of her combos first so whilst her legs are tired they are not excessively so because she hadn’t jumped that much yet and does her easier jumps after. Under the new rules I almost feel like the bonus should be increased because the skaters will have already done 4 passes so they will be more tired and there is a higher risk especially in regards to combos.
I do think these rules could be very good for Zhenya though if she can keep her consistency because she’s one of the few skaters who I think it would be a good decision to do two combos in the second half if not three if she really thought that it was necessary e.g for worlds next year.
I think her main tech upgrade should be to a triple flip triple loop and even if she fixes her list she should only have one in her free program so she can focus on it and not even think about doing it in combo but she could maybe put it in her short to help up her BV
I do think these rules could be very good for Zhenya though if she can keep her consistency because she’s one of the few skaters who I think it would be a good decision to do two combos in the second half if not three if she really thought that it was necessary e.g for worlds next year.
I think her main tech upgrade should be to a triple flip triple loop and even if she fixes her list she should only have one in her free program so she can focus on it and not even think about doing it in combo but she could maybe put it in her short to help up her BV
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It's not quite the same though. Doing what Zagitova used to do, which was a 0+7 is different from what we're talking about here, which is a 4+3. In the latter case you have breathing room in between and a more equal distribution.
It would still take very good stamina to do a 4+3 in this way but it is doable.
While I agree it’s doable. I believe the new layout of 4+3 with combos all in the back would be significantly more difficult. Because it’s really 4(solo)+7(combos) with the most difficult jumps last.
Having time between the jumps doesn’t really help as your expended the energy to push yourself off the ice and are now having to use those tires legs to continue skating. Before you never expendes those jumping legs before the skating part of the program.
While everyone is different, my personal experience was always that jumping used more of my energy than steps and spins. That being said I was more of a jumper and didn’t rely on rotation speed.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk-kfO4j_2g/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=14684lti70xij Breaking news, Zhenya is now part of the Japanese team 
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I think the skaters that want to make the best use of the new backloading advantages will do 2-5.
solo jump
solo jump
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combo 1
combo 2
combo 3
solo jump
solo jump
This gives them the opportunity to get the extra points on their combos but if they miss the combos they still have jumps to make up the combos on.
I'd like Zhenya to do whatever she's most comfortable with. I think she'll do fine enough with GOE to not need to do this, but perhaps it could be an option at some point.
solo jump
solo jump
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combo 1
combo 2
combo 3
solo jump
solo jump
This gives them the opportunity to get the extra points on their combos but if they miss the combos they still have jumps to make up the combos on.
I'd like Zhenya to do whatever she's most comfortable with. I think she'll do fine enough with GOE to not need to do this, but perhaps it could be an option at some point.
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I don’t think that Zhenya will do this. If expect her to probably start with her lutz, double axel, one combination and another solo jump in her first galf and then have two combinations and one solo in the second half. You only get bonuses on your last three combos and I think Zhenya will definitely want and need to get the bonus on at least two of her jumps.
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I too prefer the -3Lo combos, and these layouts look great :thumbsup:. In option A, though, I'd change the solo 3Lo to a solo 3F.
Just, if there was to be a -1Lo-3S combo, that's what I would have done. But I do prefer yours.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk-kfO4j_2g/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=14684lti70xij Breaking news, Zhenya is now part of the Japanese team
ha ha not so fast Japan, we Canadians will be staking a claim soon too
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk-kfO4j_2g/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=14684lti70xij Breaking news, Zhenya is now part of the Japanese team
oh boy, brace yourselves for more haters claiming she's not truly Russian
honestly some people are so provincial sometimes...
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oh boy, brace yourselves for more haters claiming she's not truly Russian
honestly some people are so provincial sometimes...
Whatever those crazies will take anything and twist it to suit their narrative. I've frankly stopped paying attention
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