Her tano is literally the same as before.
DOI:
https://youtu.be/MB_V5WuTab4?t=2m50s
Euros 2018:
https://youtu.be/rHNRoTKLE4I?t=1m22s
The arm position seems pretty similar to me. If there is some improvement, i do not see how it deserves "helicopter tano is fixed!!!".
But yeah, i see how the Orser makes sense. Now that she is coached by Orser, she is suddenly better in everything. Her SS are better even though her skating looks worse. Her tano is better even though she still does it exactly the same way. Her lutz is as wrong as ever, but ofc the edge has improved.
I do not understand that sort of attitude, where there is no improvement, and people still scream how she is better in almost everything after a month with Orser, and then call everybody else keyboard warriors and so on. I really wish that "fans" would understand that changing technique takes a long time and stop seeing improvements where are none.
Btw, her programs are still pretty much the same as she had with Eteri, I kinda expected something at least a bit different in choreo, that is something that they could have changed already.
Nobody thinks Orser is a magician or something :noshake: We all know she isn‘t going to completely improve within a few months, anyone who has ever stood on skates themselves and knows a bit about body memory is aware that changing technique isn‘t that easy and having a good coach doesn‘t suddenly change this fact.
From what I’ve observed on the little footage we have of her actually skating.
In the last video of DOI her spins seemed better, she was spinning faster and they definitely looked different from last season. Her tano is about the same, I wouldn’t say it changed. The lutz is as problematic as ever, at least with the tano and 3Lz there‘s no difference with the edge, it’s still inside and she seemed to underrotate as well.
Those you might call „ubers“ because they talk about changed lutz edge usually don‘t refer to the video we’ve seen but a performance on a different day where she jumped 2lz with a clearly improved edge. However, this is only according to a fan, unfortunately there’s no footage of it, so we can‘t really judge the accuracy of this statement. The other thing people praise her for, is not the actual improvement she made with the lutz (which would be ridiculous to expect anyway) but the fact that she‘s WORKING ON IT. And very hard for that matter. They praise her because she dares to put it in exhibition programs now which she has never done before. Another thing I have noticed and others as well, is that she skates more freely. She skates even more with her heart which could be seen especially in the program she choreographed herself. Whether you found it good or well done is another thing but she obviously loved it and that‘s what shows.
As for the fact with the programs, excuse me to say this but this argument seems... well, let me say it bluntly: quite illogical and rather like the usual, not well thought of criticism. Let me remind you of the programs she has done so far:
Experience - choreographed by herself
Memory
Windmills of your Mind
Well. Experience is quite a usual program for her: pretty excessive miming and acting. But she had this before she even went to Orser. Windmills of your mind is a rather unusual program, as in, clearly for an exhibition as seen with the ball and the usage of it in the program. Memory however does strike me as more of the „David-style“ There’s little to no miming at all, so that’s definitely the change you wanted here. Still, the thing is: These are exhibition programs. You basically do what you want in an ex, as shown with her choreographing her own program. There‘s no indication whatsoever that her actual competitive programs will be the same. So instead of judging so fast, I’d suggest you to wait for the beginning of the season to actually see the programs David and her are making. Because what you‘re doing is basically the same those fans you call „ubers“ do just in the opposite direction. They praise her for things that aren‘t logical or evident, you criticize her for them. Just saying.
Generally, I expect Evgenia to have a good season. Good as in, not phenomenal and certainly not as consistent as we know of her, meaning, winning every competition on the way. Changing technique is no easy task. Moving to another country, adapting to a new environment and training with new people and a new coach isn‘t either. However, even if she has technical problems that trouble her, she can still rely on this mental strength and determination she has shown all her career. She might not shoot straight to the top of the podium just by training with Orser but she also certainly will not deteriorate completely either.
) and he will "ruin her skating like tursynbaeva." the rest of the jumps she did were beautiful (BEAUTIFUL rippon) and the lutz edge WAS improved...it looked more flat than on an inside edge.
