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Figure skating and Artistic roller skating cross paths

CaroLiza_fan

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I haven't checked yet, but you may find there's more available about quad artistic roller skating than inline. Quad is what I do, and the version in which Italian and Spanish skaters shine. (I'll confess I haven't heard of roller skaters in Russia before, although I'm sure there are many.) I've seen lots of video clips of quad competitions up to the world level, none for inline except for studio practice sessions that Facebook occasionally tossed me, or did until I guess FB realized I wasn't interested. The two types of wheel alignment take different techniques and I only wanted to watch quad to see how the best skaters, particularly the pairs, used their wheels.

Look back through this thread and you'll see links to quad competitions and prominent skaters, posted by @Sk8swan . Can't help you at this point as to when the two sports fell into line (poor choice of words but I'll leave it as I'm rushed for time) regarding scoring.

Yeah, that was something I noticed, even when looking at the governing body's website. Quad roller skating seemed to be the main thing, while inline roller skating was the poor relation that you just don't talk about. Which kinda surprised me, because I would have thought that inline would have been bigger, as it is more similar to the more popular cousin of ice skating.

The skater I was looking at, Anastasia Nosova, came to my attention because she started off on ice. And she wasn't doing so badly. She had the highest scores in the SP and overall in Advanced Novice Ladies at the inaugural Cyprus Championships. (I'm being careful with my wording here, because I think she was competing as a guest skater). But then something happened (her Wikipedia page doesn't specifically say what, but it sounds like a serious accident), which prompted her to switch to roller skating.

To a non-skater like me, inline would be the logical choice of the type of roller skating to do for somebody who is used to skating on ice. Yes, the wheels are significantly wider than a blade, but you would think there would be lot of transferrable skills. Certainly more than there would be with quad skating, where the physics would be vastly different.

For that reason, I am surprised that there are not more figure skaters that switch to inline artistic roller skating when their competitive career is drying up or just plain over. It would give them an option to continue their competitive career, albeit in a different fashion, if the desire to compete was still burning.

And this would seem a particular good idea in Russia, where figure skating is not the obscure sport that it is in most of the rest of the world. We all know how deep the pool is in Russia, and how quickly the revolving door turns. For skaters who now found themselves on the sidelines, this could be a way of prolonging their career.

Look at the results for the earliest competition on ice that I could find results for Anastasia Nosova - a domestic competition in Moscow:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190510134947/http:/www.fskate.ru/results/tour/752.html

She was the penultimate finisher of the skaters that competed in both segments. Yet she went on to win all the Majors in inline artistic roller skating.

Now look at who else was in that competition:

Position
Name
Total Score
1​
Elena RADIONOVA
132.96​
2​
Alina MAXIMOVA
119.17​
3​
Anna POGORILAYA
116.35​
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8​
Evgenia MEDVEDEVA
99.91​
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12​
Ekaterina ALEXANDROVSKAYA :cry:
91.14​
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14​
Maria SOTSKOVA
77.72​
…​
16​
Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA
60.65​
…​
18​
Anastasia NOSOVA
55.37​

There is a lot of success and talent in that selection of names.

Imagine the buzz that inline artistic roller skating would have got if any of those names had switched to it after they found they were surplus to requirements in the Russian figure skating team. If a girl that scored a good bit lower than they did on knifeblades could be so successful on wheels, imagine what they could have done!

Now imagine how many people it would have got watching the sport...

With figure skating being so popular in Russia, inline artistic roller skating could have a real opportunity here to raise it's profile if some top figure skaters who had fallen foul of the revolving door made the switch. Anastasia Nosova has proven that it can be done successfully, and she wasn't even one of the top skaters on ice.

Whether that could be done in other countries where figure skating is not a mainstream sport is another matter. But, as Nosova has shown in her videos on YouTube, one of the advantages over figure skating is that you don't have to be near an ice rink. You can practice in any open space, even a car park! Competitions can be held in a school gym!

For countries where there is not easy access to ice rinks, starting out doing inline artistic roller skating could be a cheap starting point for youngsters to get into figure skating. But, it would be much harder to learn the ice skills retroactively.

It would help if the two sports worked together more.

I have often thought that there needs to be a major re-alignment in the way that ice sports and their roller equivalents are governed. It is not good to have all the ice sports governed by one huge body, and all the roller sports goverened by another huge body. It would be better to have the winter (ice) and summer (roller) versions of each sport governed together by their own body, which is separate from the other sports.

But, it'll never happen. Too many people with a vested interest in keeping things the way they are.

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Diana Delafield

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Yeah, that was something I noticed, even when looking at the governing body's website. Quad roller skating seemed to be the main thing, while inline roller skating was the poor relation that you just don't talk about. Which kinda surprised me, because I would have thought that inline would have been bigger, as it is more similar to the more popular cousin of ice skating.

The skater I was looking at, Anastasia Nosova, came to my attention because she started off on ice. And she wasn't doing so badly. She had the highest scores in the SP and overall in Advanced Novice Ladies at the inaugural Cyprus Championships. (I'm being careful with my wording here, because I think she was competing as a guest skater). But then something happened (her Wikipedia page doesn't specifically say what, but it sounds like a serious accident), which prompted her to switch to roller skating.

To a non-skater like me, inline would be the logical choice of the type of roller skating to do for somebody who is used to skating on ice. Yes, the wheels are significantly wider than a blade, but you would think there would be lot of transferrable skills. Certainly more than there would be with quad skating, where the physics would be vastly different.

For that reason, I am surprised that there are not more figure skaters that switch to inline artistic roller skating when their competitive career is drying up or just plain over. It would give them an option to continue their competitive career, albeit in a different fashion, if the desire to compete was still burning.






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With figure skating being so popular in Russia, inline artistic roller skating could have a real opportunity here to raise it's profile if some top figure skaters who had fallen foul of the revolving door made the switch. Anastasia Nosova has proven that it can be done successfully, and she wasn't even one of the top skaters on ice.

Whether that could be done in other countries where figure skating is not a mainstream sport is another matter. But, as Nosova has shown in her videos on YouTube, one of the advantages over figure skating is that you don't have to be near an ice rink. You can practice in any open space, even a car park! Competitions can be held in a school gym!

For countries where there is not easy access to ice rinks, starting out doing inline artistic roller skating could be a cheap starting point for youngsters to get into figure skating. But, it would be much harder to learn the ice skills retroactively.
An interesting theory about figure skaters moving to roller skating. It's usually the other way around, with quite a few top skaters starting on wheels, succeeding there and then moving to the ice -- Tara Lipinski comes to mind, and Brandon Frazier with Haven Denney in roller pairs first then switching to the ice, but there have been many more. I'm not at their level, but I did add quad artistic roller to my activities just this year after many decades on the ice, but simultaneously, not dropping one for the other. I just watched some artistic roller and was impressed. I'm always keen on new physical challenges, so I added another string to my bow, so to speak. But any figure skater who feels they're past it and/or are slipping in the ranks, and thinks they'll do the "easier" roller skating instead as a step down in difficulty, is going to discover their misconception. (Although if it just happens that roller suits them better physically in a dryer, warmer venue, then they might get better competition results, but it won't be because of what's attached to their boots.)

I don't think either version is easier than the other. What they do may look virtually the same, but down at the base level, so to speak, there are big differences in technique that have to be adjusted if you switch from one to the other. I don't know about inline skating, having never tried it or looked closely at it being performed, but on quad wheels, spins are done on either the two front wheels or the back two, not on that elusive spot somewhat closer to the middle of a blade. Always if I move from our rink straight to the club's roller room I mess up the first one or two stops because it's still not instinctive for me to drop the toe stop at the front. And I feel more secure on the ice with the blades cutting in, gripping the ice. Jumps are more difficult on roller skates because the wheels and the platform are heavier than a blade (but they do a great job building up leg strength that is an asset when you move back to the ice to do the same jumps).

Wheeled sports in general are more popular and accessible in countries with warmer climates, or where skating isn't a major sport and there are fewer rinks. Like Canada, Russia has the climate and the entrenched popularity of ice sports to dictate the building of rinks everywhere. It's nice that one Russian skater at least has found success in a lesser-known sport, but I'd be surprised to see it become a major attraction there. Of course, I may be proven wrong :shrug: :slink:
 

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Does anyone know why artistic roller skating isn’t an Olympic sport? It’s in the Pan Am Games, I’m sure it’s in other global sports events too.
 

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Does anyone know why artistic roller skating isn’t an Olympic sport? It’s in the Pan Am Games, I’m sure it’s in other global sports events too.
That's a frequent question. Look back through this thread and you'll find fairly recent discussions. It's because the sport isn't organized and funded in enough countries to qualify for the Olympics, although it's widely popular around the world as a recreational activity. Competitively, it's dominated by Italian skaters and a few from other countries. There have been submissions to have it included in the Olympics, but never successfully. The Summer Olympics are already overloaded with sports compared to the number contested in the Winter Games. A lot of niche sports struggle to be included, but don't have the backing in enough countries or enough proven fan support.

Roller skating has its own international association and isn't part of the ISU. They have their own world championships (there are videos posted on this thread of some of this year's World's). There are the World Wheel Sports Games including a variety of sports -- roller hockey, inline racing, downhill racing, artistic skating, etc -- usually held in a South American country where those sports are popular, partly due to a lack of rinks for the ice versions.

Another reason is that there are two streams in artistic roller skating, quad (four wheels set in a square) and inline. Quad roller, which is the kind I do myself as well as figure skating, is the older and more established version. Inline is popular for recreation, mainly outdoors, and has its devotees as a floor version of figure skating, but is, as someone else said recently on this thread, "the poor relation" to quad skating. Each version has its own competitions, which further waters down the organized strength needed to get the sport into the Olympics.

Quite a few well-known skaters started in roller and switched to ice where the rewards were greater and there was more recognition -- Tara Lipinski, for instance.
 

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That's a frequent question. Look back through this thread and you'll find fairly recent discussions. It's because the sport isn't organized and funded in enough countries to qualify for the Olympics, although it's widely popular around the world as a recreational activity. Competitively, it's dominated by Italian skaters and a few from other countries. There have been submissions to have it included in the Olympics, but never successfully. The Summer Olympics are already overloaded with sports compared to the number contested in the Winter Games. A lot of niche sports struggle to be included, but don't have the backing in enough countries or enough proven fan support.

Roller skating has its own international association and isn't part of the ISU. They have their own world championships (there are videos posted on this thread of some of this year's World's). There are the World Wheel Sports Games including a variety of sports -- roller hockey, inline racing, downhill racing, artistic skating, etc -- usually held in a South American country where those sports are popular, partly due to a lack of rinks for the ice versions.

Another reason is that there are two streams in artistic roller skating, quad (four wheels set in a square) and inline. Quad roller, which is the kind I do myself as well as figure skating, is the older and more established version. Inline is popular for recreation, mainly outdoors, and has its devotees as a floor version of figure skating, but is, as someone else said recently on this thread, "the poor relation" to quad skating. Each version has its own competitions, which further waters down the organized strength needed to get the sport into the Olympics.

Quite a few well-known skaters started in roller and switched to ice where the rewards were greater and there was more recognition -- Tara Lipinski, for instance.
Haven Denney and Brandon Frazier started out in roller as well.
 

Diana Delafield

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Haven Denney and Brandon Frazier started out in roller as well.
Yes, I usually mention them as well as Tara. I don't know why I left them off that time. Others roller skated although not to the championship level as those examples. Brian Boitano, Johnny Weir. Marina Kielmann of Germany was a medal-winner in both ice and roller skating at the same time, in the 1990s.
 

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With the new sports coming n and out f Olympics like break dancing.. I think it’s a slap that roller isn’t in it.. they’re bringing flag football and cricket , lacrosse and bringing back baseball and softball. etc into next games.. some of those sports certainly aren’t word wide..
 

Diana Delafield

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I don't know how to make the links, but the World Skate Games Italia 2024 open on September 6, including artistic skating among many other roller sports. If anyone knows how to find out if there's streaming and how to post links to that, please do! :pray::bow::points:
 

Sk8swan

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RE Inline Skating: the discipline is relatively new but I guess it has better chances to develope further and who knows maybe someday (not in near future) make it to the Olympics IF it can develope in powerful nations like Russia and America....

The 2024 World Artistic Championships start today in Rimini within the bigger event World Skate Games for 12 wheel disciplines.
Someone here already shared the link to follow the event (I have yet to check it out).
Tiny spoiler: Matteo Guarise is back on rollers to perform with his roller skating partner at the opening show 😁 I'm very curious to see what he's up to considering it's now aages since he roller skated!
https://www.instagram.com/p/C_ocDfUouZR/?igsh=czU5NHc4MWs2bmF1 check picture #6 :wink:
 

Sk8swan

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And I tell you what... It looked like Matteo never got his roller skates off... While it's 16yrs since he last skated with his roller partner 😱
 

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I was just looking at the results of the Sr Women's SP at the World Skate Games, and was surprised to see a skater representing Canada, Alessia Simoncini. :hap10:🛼🇨🇦 She placed 22nd out of 34 skaters, with a couple of American skaters and a few other countries' women in the lower-ranking half of the entrants. The top 15, with the exception of one skater from Germany, are all representing the usual roller hotbeds -- Italy, Spain, Portugal, and assorted South American countries. I'm assuming from the Canadian's Italian name that she either learned to skate there, or her parents are from there, or some such connection.
 

Sk8swan

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The Senior Men Solo Dance World Champion performance https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAbbe8Do8uQ/?igsh=MWptamxsNnoyYWZqZA==
(hope the link works). He is a stunning skater, world champion in pair dance too.
Solo dance in roller skating has been on world stage for quite a while now... Not everybody in the roller skating community likes it but it still gives the opportune to skaters like Gherardo to win more than one world title.
It will be interesting to see what is gonna happen on the ice where the discipline is just a new born...
 
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