2018-19 Canadian figure skating

[chuckm]

^^ off topic but the best times i have had was when the pool was empty LOL no water motion going against me... so there... and this condition is easier met with weaker competitors... because you are detached from the field.

And those are NOT the conditions you will be under when you are swimming against top competitors.

 

[chuckm]

Gosh, didn't Canadian women win 50% of the podium placements the past 2 Worlds. Had Gabby been healthier in Milan it may have been more. We must be doing something right in senior ladies in terms of coaching, training, and comps, as 3 out of 6, ain't half bad.

Both Osmond and Daleman have been regularly competing against the best in the world. That's what skaters have to do to bring their skating up to a top level.

Having the better Canadian juniors compete only in large groups of lesser skaters doesn't do much for them in terms of learning how to build up their own competitive edge that they'll need on international ice against more competitive skaters.

 

[Tanager]

Both Osmond and Daleman have been regularly competing against the best in the world. That's what skaters have to do to bring their skating up to a top level.

Having the better Canadian juniors compete only in large groups of lesser skaters doesn't do much for them in terms of learning how to build up their own competitive edge that they'll need on international ice against more competitive skaters.

Well, and our top juniors will be competing on the JGP circuit, just as Kaetlyn and Gabby have done each year on the GP circuit, gaining that experience and competitive edge against the best in the world.

 

[chuckm]

The juniors need that competitive edge BEFORE they get on JGP and JW ice. With her talent, Aurora Cotop should have finished better than 7th and 9th at her events and 17th at JW. Young You had her first year on the JGP too, and she was 4th and 5th at her two events and 9th at JW; the top Korean ladies compete against one another regularly just as the top Japanese ladies do.

 

[Tanager]

I wonder if it would make sense to hold a NextGen competition or competitions, with those skaters named to the NextGen team going head-to-head. I have no idea where/how that would fall on the calendar, but just a thought.

 

[chuckm]

RESULTS LAKE PLACID INTERNATIONAL SENIOR ICE DANCE - FREE DANCE

1 - 111.62 Lorraine McNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER USA
2 - 96.57 Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS USA
3 - 82.41 Molly LANAGHAN / Dmitre RAZGULAJEVS CAN
4 - 81.78 Haley SALES / Nicolas WAMSTEEKER CAN
5 - 75.18 Emily MONAGHAN / Iias FOURATI HUN
6 - 64.26 Elicia REYNOLDS / Stephen REYNOLDS USA
7 - 55.90 Nicole TAKAHASHI / Oleg ALTUKHOV USA

FINAL RESULTS LAKE PLACID INTERNATIONAL SENIOR ICE DANCE

1 - 185.12 1 1 Lorraine McNAMARA / Quinn CARPENTER USA
2 - 164.74 2 2 Rachel PARSONS / Michael PARSONS USA
3 - 138.01 3 4 Haley SALES / Nicolas WAMSTEEKER CAN
4 - 135.00 4 3 Molly LANAGHAN / Dmitre RAZGULAJEVS CAN
5 - 117.22 5 5 Emily MONAGHAN / Iias FOURATI HUN
6 - 102.67 7 6 Elicia REYNOLDS / Stephen REYNOLDS USA
7 - 89.51 8 7 Nicole TAKAHASHI / Oleg ALTUKHOV USA
8 - 41.43 6 R Shira ICHILOV / Vadim DAVIDOVICH ISR


RESULTS LAKE PLACID ICE DANCE JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP - FREE DANCE

1 - 87.84 Eliana GROPMAN / Ian SOMERVILLE USA
2 - 84.90 Oona BROWN / Gage BROWN USA
3 - 81.04 Yuka ORIHARA / Lee ROYER CAN
4 - 80.63 Molly CESANEK / Yegor YEGOROV USA
5 - 80.27 Jocelyn HAINES / James KOSZUTA USA
6 - 70.07 Allie ROSE / JT MICHEL USA
7 - 63.82 Emily BRATTI / Nicolay USANOV USA
8 - 62.83 Claire PURNELL / Luke PURNELL USA
9 - 56.39 Bailey MELTON / Ryan O'DONNELL USA

FINAL RESULTS: LAKE PLACID ICE DANCE JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP

1 - 149.06 1 1 Eliana GROPMAN / Ian SOMERVILLE USA
2 - 141.45 2 2 Oona BROWN / Gage BROWN USA
3 - 136.31 3 4 Molly CESANEK / Yegor YEGOROV USA
4 - 135.74 4 5 Jocelyn HAINES / James KOSZUTA USA
5 - 134.84 5 3 Yuka ORIHARA / Lee ROYER CAN
6 - 116.46 7 6 Allie ROSE / JT MICHEL USA
7 - 106.38 8 7 Emily BRATTI / Nicolay USANOV USA
8 - 104.56 9 8 Claire PURNELL / Luke PURNELL USA
9 - 94.88 10 9 Bailey MELTON / Ryan O'DONNELL USA
10 - 50.81 6 R Katarina DELCAMP / Maxwell GART USA

 

[chuckm]

I wonder if it would make sense to hold a NextGen competition or competitions, with those skaters named to the NextGen team going head-to-head. I have no idea where/how that would fall on the calendar, but just a thought.

Now that makes a lot of sense.

 

[TGee]

I’m inclined to agree that completion makes you better.

When I used to run track my best times were always when I was chasing someone and not the person in the lead.

That's a personal thing...

Yes, there is a subset of athletes for whom that works best.

And certain Russian programs, including the one at Sambo70, always have a skater who the others are trying to chase...

But that doesn't mean it's best overall... or that if that's not what you respond to, you won't be great.

Granted, some strength on strength competition during the season is important...but some train better without a high pressure environment...

All to say that top ranked athletes don't have a single temperament, and thrive with different environments...

You, mentioned running... but in field events the enemy is not your competitors but the bar or the line etc. In the jumps it's important to have high level competition, because the last competitor has to do jump after jump without a break.

Figure skating and gymnastics are yet again very different... the mental strength that it takes for kids to get out there by themselves in front of a group of judges from a very young age is astonishing...

 

[TGee]

I wonder if it would make sense to hold a NextGen competition or competitions, with those skaters named to the NextGen team going head-to-head. I have no idea where/how that would fall on the calendar, but just a thought.

Wouldn't fit...

Already a number of the NextGen skaters miss the summer series...

 

[4everchan]

And those are NOT the conditions you will be under when you are swimming against top competitors.

i don't disagree with you.. but i was responding to a specific question.

Figure skating is very different from other sports.. in some ways, I believe that figure skaters always compete against themselves... yeah, they may warm up in a busy and scary flight, but they are alone on the ice.... and most of them admit not watching others skate and isolating themselves. SO : what is the difference of competing in separate groups? Judging panel... oh well... they can still have an idea... the one who scores highest among 3-4 groups can still see herself as the winner... no real need for a final flight .. though i am not opposed to it.

So to me, it's not close at all to swimming or racing... it's closer to music competitions for instance.. no matter how talented the opposition is, if I am playing a Chopin concerto, I have to perform it properly... and to the best of my abilities...

 

[Colonel Green]

Yeah, the main benefit of going to major competitions is building a rep with the judges. Skaters know what they have to do to accrue points.

 

[Scout]

SO : what is the difference of competing in separate groups? Judging panel... oh well... they can still have an idea... the one who scores highest among 3-4 groups can still see herself as the winner... no real need for a final flight .. though i am not opposed to it.

But what about the girl who comes 2nd? Sure, she can line up her scores and say "I am 5th overall" or whatever. But most won't do that. They'll take their silver medal and be happy.

Give the top girls a chance to compete against each other. It encourages consistency. It gives them an opportunity to learn to perform under the pressure of tougher competition. Most girls that got a medal in the preliminary flight won't get a medal in the final flight. It'll be a bit more of a mini Canadians/Challenge/Sectionals. This can provide motivation to train harder in preparation for their main competition. At the end of the day, the hope is that they become better, stronger skaters in the long run. That they push harder to get a jump consistent and ready for the next competition.

Once you're actually on the ice...it's just about you. Doing your best, because that's all you can do. Forget your competitors. But once your few minutes on the ice is done, then use the competition results to push yourself to become a better skater/athlete everyday in practice.

This final flight is not just the specific competition itself, but the impact it will have in training afterwards.

 

[4everchan]

there is more to protocols than numbers...girls can compare their layout and see what they need to do to compete... no need for a final flight to prove to someone that wihtout a 3-3 in the LP, her chances are limited.

finally, as I don't think we see eye to eye and that is fine, I will just add that from watching Minto's junior boys, who had to skate back to back programs in about 12 hours... they were all dead... the short programs were better for most.... if they had to add another flight, they would be even more dead... at the end, it's no longer a figure skating competition it becomes an endurance marathon ...

 

[chuckm]

RESULTS GLACIER FALLS CLASSIC SENIOR LADIES SHORT PROGRAM

1 - 66.78 Ting CUI
2 - 65.80 Megan WESSENBERG
3 - 63.60 Alysa LIU
4 - 57.63 Ashley LIN
5 - 57.41 Akari NAKAHARA
6 - 56.45 Emmy MA
7 - 53.55 Angela WANG
8 - 53.22 Heidi MUNGER
9 - 50.48 Emily CHAN
10 - 50.09 Kelsey WONG (CAN)
11 - 50.03 Alexis GAGNON
12 - 49.42 Emily BAUSBACK (CAN)
13 - 49.22 Elizaveta KULIK
14 - 44.80 Chelsea MISCHUK
15 - 42.43 Megan YIM (CAN)
16 - 39.31 Marietta ATKINS
17 - 39.19 Sonja HILMER
18 - 34.95 Julia Meltzer FENNELL
19 - 33.45 Erica MACHIDA

 

[mrrice]

RESULTS GLACIER FALLS CLASSIC SENIOR LADIES SHORT PROGRAM

1 - 66.78 Ting CUI
2 - 65.80 Megan WESSENBERG
3 - 63.60 Alysa LIU
4 - 57.63 Ashley LIN
5 - 57.41 Akari NAKAHARA
6 - 56.45 Emmy MA
7 - 53.55 Angela WANG
8 - 53.22 Heidi MUNGER
9 - 50.48 Emily CHAN
10 - 50.09 Kelsey WONG (CAN)
11 - 50.03 Alexis GAGNON
12 - 49.42 Emily BAUSBACK (CAN)
13 - 49.22 Elizaveta KULIK
14 - 44.80 Chelsea MISCHUK
15 - 42.43 Megan YIM (CAN)
16 - 39.31 Marietta ATKINS
17 - 39.19 Sonja HILMER
18 - 34.95 Julia Meltzer FENNELL
19 - 33.45 Erica MACHIDA

I'm going to ask this question one more time. With Kaetlyn off the GP, that makes Gabby being the clear #1 heading into fall. Who is Canada's #2?

topic:It's disappointing to see Angela Wang finish that low in this field. She has more experience than the rest of the field and I'm still hoping that she will have a good season. She was promising as a Junior and though she's had some great moments as a Senior, she has yet to make the podium at Nationals. Seeing her 10 points behind Alysa does not give me much hope. Still love her skating though.

 

[Ziotic]

I'm going to ask this question one more time. With Kaetlyn off the GP, that makes Gabby being the clear #1 heading into fall. Who is Canada's #2.

I think I would still give it to Alaine, even though she’s had a rough couple seasons her ceiling is much higher than Larkin unless she dramatically improves.

 

[4everchan]

mrrice.... sorry if you have felt let down

IIRC Larkyn had a major boost of progress entering the season of the Olympics, stabilizing her 3f .. but I don't even think she has a 3lz yet... that shows you how poorly Alaine skated last year. Alaine is clearly the next one in line after Gabby for me.. however, as the summer series develop, we may see some new ladies. Just behind them last year, Aurora Cotop is competing in juniors again this year.. so we will see if she makes some troubles at Nationals for the Senior girls. Veronik Mallet is registered on the summer competitions : is she back to her shape of a few years back before the injury??? She's been away for at least 2 complete seasons. Alicia Pineault has everything but a 3S Can she put two good programs back to back? Emy Decelles is great too. I am naming all these girls to reflect the fact that Larkyn's spot is far from being safe

 

[lovaticcanada]

I think its Alaine. Even though Larkyn beat her at nationals, if you compare international results from last season, Alaine would have likely qualified for the free skate at worlds/olympics. Even though Alaine had a rough few years, other than the disastrous skate canada, she got over 100 internationally in the free skate, something that Larkyn has yet to prove.

 

[Tanager]

I'd say we don't have a number two right now. I'm not sure anyone has really made a solid case for themselves over the past couple of seasons to stake that claim at #2. 4everchan, of the skaters you name, I hope at least one of them (and preferably more!) can rise up this season and make a solid case for themselves. A new quad can bring new energy and opportunity; I hope our ladies can take advantage of the opportunities this year (especially if Kaetlyn sits out Worlds) to break through in this new quad.

 

[chuckm]

there is more to protocols than numbers...girls can compare their layout and see what they need to do to compete... no need for a final flight to prove to someone that wihtout a 3-3 in the LP, her chances are limited.

finally, as I don't think we see eye to eye and that is fine, I will just add that from watching Minto's junior boys, who had to skate back to back programs in about 12 hours... they were all dead... the short programs were better for most.... if they had to add another flight, they would be even more dead... at the end, it's no longer a figure skating competition it becomes an endurance marathon ...

Not that many Junior men skated---only 20, in one group. No need for a skate-off. None needed for Senior ladies and Senior men, either.
It's the Junior and Novice ladies that are always in multiple groups that would benefit from a skate-off, with the top 3-4 (depending on the number of groups) from each group going on to a final.