Yuzuru Hanyu: 2018-2019

[Interspectator]

https://twitter.com/23238ffm/status/1035330480516694016 another clip.
https://twitter.com/yuzu_pino/status/1035335259154309120 full clip on youtube.

 

[yude]

I wonder how the coreography for Origin is gonna turn out, Yuzuru is more contemporary than balletic...

He says it is going to be very different, "Choreography itself is completely different. I performed a program "From Russia with Love" when I was in the 3rd and 4th grade, and since then I've been having the origin of the expression of Russian, European style and the music. The origin of Tsuzuki sensei is also in Russia."

https://www.asahi.com/articles/ASL8025YJL80UTQP00C.html

 

[Colonel Green]

Point-wise, the difference between the 4A and the other quads isn't that much (only one point between 4A and 4Lz, same as between the 4T and 4Lo), so depending on what his competitors skate/how the judges handle GOE this season, he may need those extra BV points.

The new GOE system is tailor-made for Hanyu.

Beyond which, the 4A is not about upgrading his base value, it's about making history. If base value was his preoccupation, he'd be focusing on easier high-value quads like the flip and the Lutz. And if he lands a 4A successfully, the judges will shower him him points. When you're already attempting the hardest quad possible, putting the 4Lo right after that is unnecessary extra risk. Yes, if he could do both of them in succession reliably that would be beneficial in points, but it would also markedly increase the risk of a serious error, and that's more dangerous to his chances of winning than a few base value points.

 

[Rissa]

The 4Lo is itself an extraordinarily difficult quad jump. Attempting a 4A is a big risk in and of itself, and would be a huge achievement. Going immediately from successfully landing one of those to attempting a 4Lo as well would be even more strenuous. The point difference between the Loop and the Toeloop is insignificant, in a world where he's landed a 4A.

Possibly. But I think it would be a matter of pride for him to keep the 4Lo.

 

[sun110]

Imagine walking into TCC with all the people watching...

https://twitter.com/online_on_ice/status/1035321474163326986


Also if the media is staying for a couple more days, hopefully we'll get a little bit more info too

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"Yesterday I saw someone working in mass media say they'd be in Toronto from 8/28-9/3, so I had this premonition..."

https://twitter.com/Iron_Klaus/status/1035266888794886144

Pic of TCC training session. All the skaters are on the same ice Now if we can have a video of that, it'd be nice.

https://twitter.com/tshashin/status/1035332794711302150


And wow

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Yuzuru: “The one thing I’ll say is that between the 4A and the change to only a 4min program, the truth is the 4min program is more difficult/tough.”

https://twitter.com/axelsandwich/status/1035329839274684416

 

[Shanshani]

The new GOE system is tailor-made for Hanyu.

Beyond which, the 4A is not about upgrading his base value, it's about making history. If base value was his preoccupation, he'd be focusing on easier high-value quads like the flip and the Lutz. And if he lands a 4A successfully, the judges will shower him him points. When you're already attempting the hardest quad possible, putting the 4Lo right after that is unnecessary extra risk. Yes, if he could do both of them in succession reliably that would be beneficial in points, but it would also markedly increase the risk of a serious error, and that's more dangerous to his chances of winning than a few base value points.

The fact that he's jumping 3Lo instead of 3F or 3Lz suggests to me that he isn't trying flips and lutzes for injury-related reasons, not because he isn't concerned about BV. And even though the new GOE system should, in theory, massively benefit Yuzuru, a lot still depends on how it's actually implemented by judges. If the GOE scores of top skaters wind up compressed into a narrow range of values like PCS is, then BV will still be king. Plus, Yuzuru doesn't seem like the kind of person to drop a jump he's good at simply to reduce the risk level of the program.

 

[Yoa]

https://twitter.com/axelsandwich/status/1035329839274684416
Yuzuru said that doing 4min program is harder than 4A

And his reasons for not doing 3F and 3Lz: link

 

[IceBallerina]

I think it’s smart that he’s not bringing back the 4Lz and 3f quite yet. It’s important for him to get comfortable with those jumps again and not get injured. He likes to surprise us all the time so I don’t think those jumps are forever gone. In fact, to troll us he’d probably throw a quad lutz in one of his free skates this season.

 

[Colonel Green]

The fact that he's jumping 3Lo instead of 3F or 3Lz suggests to me that he isn't trying flips and lutzes for injury-related reasons, not because he isn't concerned about BV.

That wasn't what I said. The 4A is a longstanding dream of his, and it's not really about scoring extra points (though those are nice too), particularly since the BV cuts have devalued the 4A relative to the other quads, as you say. Landing the 4A is about making history and crossing what may well be the final frontier in men's skating.

And even though the new GOE system should, in theory, massively benefit Yuzuru, a lot still depends on how it's actually implemented by judges. If the GOE scores of top skaters wind up compressed into a narrow range of values like PCS is, then BV will still be king.

Hanyu's GOE (and PCS) have always given him an advantage over other top skaters. There's no reason to think that's suddenly going to change.

Plus, Yuzuru doesn't seem like the kind of person to drop a jump he's good at simply to reduce the risk level of the program.

He's not afraid of risk, but there's such a thing as measured risk. Indeed, he's not doing the 4Lo in his short program anymore.

 

[shine]

What truly original choices full of artistic visions LOL!

 

[IceBallerina]

That wasn't what I said. The 4A is a longstanding dream of his, and it's not really about scoring extra points (though those are nice too), particularly since the BV cuts have devalued the 4A relative to the other quads, as you say. Landing the 4A is about making history and crossing what may well be the final frontier in men's skating.


Hanyu's GOE (and PCS) have always given him an advantage over other top skaters. There's no reason to think that's suddenly going to change.


He's not afraid of risk, but there's such a thing as measured risk. Indeed, he's not doing the 4Lo in his short program anymore.

It’s fascinating what you said that Hanyu could be crossing one of the final frontiers in men’s figure skating. I don’t want to go off topic and maybe this should warrant a new thread, but how much further can figure skating be pushed? Arguably we have the quad axel to go and a quad+quad combination. But what’s after that? Quintuples? I don’t think so… but you never know. How much further can this sport be pushed until there’s nothing left?

 

[Imov]

Back tracking the thread is he really gonna go for 4A?
It's making me more desperate to get to 2019 Worlds. I need to see him in a competition.

 

[charlotte14]

What truly original choices full of artistic visions LOL!

The guy said finally he is skating for himself and whatever he likes so you can lol and he doesn’t care.

 

[sydney]

What truly original choices full of artistic visions LOL!

you can think whatever you want , the guy can now skate to anything he wants , and if he wants to pay tributes to his idols then he will do it and brilliantly I'm sure

 

[cruzceleste]

"You may think the number of jumps was reduced, but in fact I have been feeling recently 4 minutes is harder. It is busy. We can execute a triple jump in about 10 seconds, from preparation to its landing. Then it leads to cutting 20 seconds, which makes us busier. I had been thinking that I had to make a program studying a lot and doing the research. "

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20180831-00000042-dal-spo

Always smart, he really thinks in the composition of the program, I think the new length of the program will cut the opportunity for artistry.

 

[Yoa]

you can think whatever you want , the guy can now skate to anything he wants , and if he wants to pay tributes to his idols then he will do it and brilliantly I'm sure

And it's Yuzuru so I am sure he will make those programs his own

 

[Rissa]

What truly original choices full of artistic visions LOL!

Actually, doing 2 tribute programs from the same era does require certain artistic vision. And guts. Re-doing Nijinsky requires lots and lots of guts, that program is so iconically Plushenko, whereas Hanyu's skating style is very different from Plushenko's.

 

[Enero]

Actually, doing 2 tribute programs from the same era does require certain artistic vision. And guts. Re-doing Nijinsky requires lots and lots of guts, that program so iconically Plushenko, and Hanyu's skating style is very different from Plushenko's.

Indeed. Nijinsky was one of Plushenko’s best LPs, if not the best IMHO. It was one of the few times the music cuts were really good for his LP and his interpretation of the music was just fantastic.

Regarding Yuzuru, it will be interesting to see what he does with Nijinsky, because as you said he and Plushenko’s styles are vastly different. I’m sure Shae-Lynn will do a great job at aiding Yuzuru in successfully paying homage to his idol while making the program completely his own.

 

[TallyT]

Yuzuru, it will be interesting to see what he does with Nijinsky, because as you said he and Plushenko’s styles are vastly different. I’m sure Shae-Lynn will do a great job at aiding Yuzuru in successful paying homage to his idol while making the program completely his own.

He's likely to do the music cut himself, and we know what a great job he did with Seimei.... both programs will be very much designed around him (Jeff and Shae-Lynn know what to do for him, after all)

Actually, now I've thought about it, I love the whole idea for two main reasons:

- firstly, for all the people who criticised him for recycling his programs, he does a perfect Yuzutroll response "what? I'm not recycling MINE this year!!!"

- secondly and most importantly, for all that he's the 2 times Olympic/2 times World/4 times GPF/and all the rest champion, holder of a dozen world records including all three mens' historical records to 2018, biggest superstar in the sport, Japan's idol, awarded this that and the other, GO-This-T and arguably GO-All-T.... he's telling us all that now he can indulge and do exactly what he wants, he's also just one of us.

A devoted fan.

(Okay, how extra is his fanboying compared to what most of us can manage?? But the point remains.)

 

[lichi]

- firstly, for all the people who criticised him for recycling his programs, he does a perfect Yuzutroll response "what? I'm not recycling MINE this year!!!"

I'm dead inside