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"me and ____" is completely wrong and irritating to hear... it's ALWAYS "_____ and I" !!!
Grammar question
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Wouldn't that depend on what case your in?? ............and you would always put me last.
Dee
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I agree, but is it overlooked by the majority? Unfortunately that wrong (which I have stated as being a huge Pet-Peeve of mine) has suddenly become acceptable. So if you want a word like "aint" to get accepted just keep saying it and it will be. Same thing happened as in the example given putting "me" before a name or person in a sentence.
Yes you "should" always put "me" or "I" after using someone else's name but how often do people pay any attention to that. I get crap for saying Whom when i feel it is appropriate and I will say "DJ and I went to..." and a response would be, "ya, me and DJ went there too."
It also happens on the phone. I will incessantly call someone and say "Hello this is Sean, may I speak to..." rather then saying "Hi, is ...there?"
I think I already mentioned that the "trick" to knowing to use "me" or to use "I" is to say the sentence without the other persons name or designation.
expl.
"That wasn't very nice of DJ or me" - "That wasn't very nice of me" opposed to "That wasn't very nice of I"
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instead of me, wouldn't you use something like Dj or MYSELF?
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I think it also depends on whether you use language just to communicate (in which case grunts are often all that is required) or whether you love language.
"Don't give jewels to pigs." The meaning is perfectly clear. But...
"Cast ye not pearls before swine!"
I'm pretty sure "me" is right, not "myself," in the sentence that Sean gave.
About answering the phone, well that's just etiquette, not grammar, to identify yourself first.
"Don't give jewels to pigs." The meaning is perfectly clear. But...
"Cast ye not pearls before swine!"
I'm pretty sure "me" is right, not "myself," in the sentence that Sean gave.
About answering the phone, well that's just etiquette, not grammar, to identify yourself first.
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Yah, :agree: far stretch, I used it (came to mind) because the etiquette of saying "me" or "I" before someone else's name is poor grammar and bad etiquette. So that came to mind as an example of how even thought the correct way is presented (unless you want to be rude) people still don't use etiquette or proper grammar a majority of the time even when it is brought to attention.
It is sad to me that if you try or use proper grammar or etiquette, a lot of people will just consider you a snob or just don't care. The underlying point - that I still don't know how to feel about this - that if they get the point or it is understood, how much does it really matter? No harm no fowl thing. So it appears the only reason to use proper grammar is to show respect / etiquette. And if no one is caring...????
The queen roles in her grave.
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....would I then say "That wasn't very nice of myself" - not proper.No my rule still stands - btw it is not my rule but "my favorite Girlfriend of all time" who was a Journalism student at CU that informed me of said "trick." And there are RARE exceptions according to a comment of Name or pronoun etc... But not common enough not to have it be a very steady rule.
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No harm no bird thing? 
(I have often used the wrong spelling for this myself, btw)...
and it's rolls, not roles... not sure if you're meaning to use the incorrect spelling or not... and I don't mean to step onto Grgranny's turf at all. I'm not the one to really be answering these questions.
I do think that with the ever growing internet we should be trying to speak as clearly as possible so that people can understand the meaning. I never find a well written/articulate post to seem snobbish. I wish I could be as precise as many of the 'older' posters on here.
thanks for the link, scorekeeper!
(I have often used the wrong spelling for this myself, btw)... and it's rolls, not roles... not sure if you're meaning to use the incorrect spelling or not... and I don't mean to step onto Grgranny's turf at all.
I'm not the one to really be answering these questions.I do think that with the ever growing internet we should be trying to speak as clearly as possible so that people can understand the meaning. I never find a well written/articulate post to seem snobbish. I wish I could be as precise as many of the 'older' posters on here.
thanks for the link, scorekeeper!
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I always tell my students that using proper grammar is like playing basketball (or any other sport). Practice makes perfect. They typically agree that there are certain instances when proper grammar is required-- job interviews and the like. A person who strives to use proper grammar every day will be more likely to be at ease at the job interview because she does not have to measure every word before it trips out of her mouth. The same goes for the basketball player. The one who works hard all week at practice is more likely to perform well at the game because the skills have become committed to muscle memory; they are as natural as breathing. As for the one who took it easy at practice: her form is more likely to leave her when the pressure is on.
Practice every day what you want to display on game day. :thumbsup:
Practice every day what you want to display on game day. :thumbsup:
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I agree with the principle of practice makes perfect - although a former Choir teacher of mine didn't buy it at all "Practice does NOT make perfect" he would say "Perfect Practice is the only thing that will achieve perfection! - alright take 12"
Anyway, I think of it like a turn-signal on a car. Some people say "I only need to use a signal when I am in view of other drivers." This is the same person you will see forgetting to use their turn signal all the time.
IOW, I say if you do it, you will do it, if you don't you will usually forget.
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Fumie told you this rule?
"Conversate" is not a word, as I tell my students all the time. The proper word is "converse". They think that's a shoe, regardless of where the stressed syllable is.
"Commentate" and "comment" are both words, but only experts commentate.
"Orientate" and "orient" are both words, unfortunately.
Sorry, Mathman, but "impact" can be used in that sense, though I agree with you. Growing up in a house with a mother who was a nurse, I heard about impactions all the time-- and it didn't have anything to do with teeth. Imagine my mirth when I hear skating commentators say things like, "He doesn't appear to be letting the new skating boots impact him here in the free skate." Yuck!!!
Actually that is a very commen usage of the word and there is nothing wrong with it. Sorry, that's the way it's used, like it or not
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I don't! I don't! If it's not in Shakespeare, I say fie on it!
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Math, you just crack me up. I love reading your posts; they have impacted my life. Dee
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question directed to english teachers: do you think the Internet and its slang is to blame for the lack of 'good grammar' today?
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Hmmm... I can't really say for sure. I definitely have seen linguistic "shortcuts" creep into student writing more (e.g. writing "2" instead of "to" or "too," or writing OMG and LOL in handwritten papers). The most detrimental effect that I have seen is that many students have scads of unsupervised time on the computer, and they are spending hours and hours IM'ing, downloading music, and polishing their MySpace pages instead of doing their homework or reading a book. Each year, I have more and more students who fail my class not because they aren't capable, but that they have so many missing assignments. So many students have what amounts to their own little apartments in their parents' homes complete with iPod, computer, cell phone, land line phone, television with cable, VCR and DVD player. They hole up in their entertainment paradise and immerse themselves in passive activities that require very little brainpower. That, I think, has had a more drastic effect than anything.
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interesting (I am not disagreeing, I have seen my school work suffer due to my entertainment paradise...)
are communication skills, better, worse, or the same?
are communication skills, better, worse, or the same?
