You are right. For some reason, the Japanese Fed can’t do why other feds do for their ladies... :sad21:
2018-19 Japanese Ladies' figure skating
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You are right. For some reason, the Japanese Fed can’t do why other feds do for their ladies... :sad21:
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Other than that weird time satoko got a zero on her steps, when was the last time she got less than lvl4 on her steps? She only got lvl3 at SA in the free?
Poor baby. Thankfully, she has one month to recover.
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They still have two reigning World medalists though!
AND Kaori and Satoko just pulled freeskates of 142.62 and 145.85. Both almost matching their previous-system personal bests.
Honestly, 34.44/70.85 is perfectly fine for Miyahara to start off the season. I'm not expecting the judges to give her 37/75 any time soon. But if she keeps skating perfectly, come the end of the season it will be close.
Kaori getting 67.20 PCS is almost her PCS personal best. Again, at such an early point in the season, at that. She got a PCS personal best in the SP and almost tied her PCS at the Olympics (which had higher PCS in general for everyone). And while she's great and her programs are wonderful, she is not a 70 PCS skater. It's also only her second senior season.
IMO, currently only Satoko deserves to be in the 70s for PCS (maybe Wakaba too - but that would be a WSM boost -- her programs are not nearly as great as last year's, IMO). Marin could have been there if she had been as consistent as the Russians last/this season and Mai could be there as well with better programs. Rika Kihira might get there eventually if she skates lights out continually but in her first year out that might be a challenge.
Still early in the season and quadrennial too though. And still, Japanese ladies have 4 out of the top 5 senior total scores so far. I think they're doing just fine.
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Hah this pretty much defines the tech panel here - they were sticklers. Not a ton of StSq4 in men or women.
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how do you know? is SC known for being particularly harsh? I don't usually follow the GP closely, these past seasons, i just watched performances of the skaters i love.
Just watch the protocols of the two previous years. Judges' scores full of edge calls, UR calls, downgrades, invalidated elements. Since judges too are harsh, low GOEs too. Only Osmond and Medvedeva got away with that.
Wakaba, Mako and Yura will be pretty murdered if their elements are not so crystal clean that there is not a doubt.
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I hope Wakaba's recovered, and has dropped the 3F from her SP.
I bet we will see her land a 3F....and get an "e", even if the edge is flat.
The one who can get not too much dinged is Mako. Since she has clear edges, no chronic UR issues.
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Well, even though SC also had a tough tech panel last year, maybe let's not pre-blame the results of these skaters on the event in particular...
Mako's jumps still get rotation and edge calls outside of Canada...
http://www.fisg.it/upload/result/4802/CSITA2018_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf
http://www.fisg.it/upload/result/4802/CSITA2018_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf
http://www.fsatresults.com/ISUchallenger/Scores/CSTHA2018_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf
Yura's also prone to tech calls, and her difficulty is extremely low at the moment - Autumn Classic wasn't a great outing for her (and not because of a harsh tech panel):
https://www.jsfresults.com/National/2017-2018/fs_e/nationals/data0203.pdf
https://www.jsfresults.com/National/2017-2018/fs_e/nationals/data0205.pdf
Wakaba has UR and tech calls on the Grand Prix outside of Canada, too. She wasn't looking in the best shape at ACI either, but I think she was injured so hopefully she bounces back at SC.
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1718/gprus2017/gprus2017_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1718/gpchn2017/gpchn2017_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1718/gpf1718/data0205.pdf
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1718/gpf1718/data0203.pdf
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Agreed! Pickiness on the tech panel's part is fine, inconsistency in assessment isn't.
I'm not saying that they have not flaws. They have, and they got called. Just that things that couldn't be called in other comps will be surely called in SC. Mako can UR a jump sometimes but she have the jump quality of Kaori. Wakaba didn't do well at ACI but she was injured. Yura's tech is easier but she was recovering from an injury, and that's not her usual tech content. She's very prone to URs and will be surely the most destroyed.
I don't see the need to defend SC. I didn't say it was bad. Flaws deserve to be called. It's only a problem when some get called and others not, as in Skate America.
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Sorry, I might have missed this, but who do you think should have been called for flaws in this Skate America? Seems like the tech panel hit pretty much everyone. And they seemed eager to call URs and lower levels and whatnot, so I feel like they would have called something even borderline (of course, they could have missed stuff too - I'm just saying, when a strict tech caller doesn't call something out, usually it's then clean).
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While I don’t think the panel did a terrible job overall, I definitely agree with yume that not everyone was judged as harshly. I only watched the SP closely, but on top of my head, I would have called these by their standards:
- Kaori 3F+3T<
- Satoko 3F<
- Sofia 3F<+3T
If they called Polina’s 3Z+3T< for that 3T, they definitely should have called the jumps above imo. But they didn’t. Also, I think getting super harsh and surprising calls can really destroy a girl’s mentally. I think it’s no coincidence Polina tends to bomb her free skate after getting multiple surprising URs in the SP (e. g. at Junior Worlds 2017 when Shin Amano was the caller). According to Rockerskater Polina had very solid practice sessions, then she completely bombed her LP after a harshly judged SP. Same with Marin.
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Absolutely. At last year’s SC the tech panel judged all the girls except one as harshly as possible. All the girls that would usually get an ! on the F or Z would get an e there. Tbh, harsh panels that don’t catch everything are way worse then lenient panels to me. Because the competitors will be disappointed in the K&C, the audience perplexed and the commentators grasping for explanations. It is really unfortunate when someone delivers a great or solid performance and the scores don’t reflect that at all. The ladies’ competition at last year’s SC was such a sad event imo.
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Poor Marin, I was hoping she would start the season off strong but so far it looks like not much has changed from last year.
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For me, that was the single worst call of the event. The 3T Polina did would have been credited by almost any other tech panel. There was no hook and the landing was great.
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