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2018-19 Ladies' power ranking
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But... most people aren‘t trying to be dismissive to Kaetlyn. They just don‘t know what this has to do with Alina. Why there is a need to put her down to raise Kaetlyn up. They are both wonderful skaters and both awesome in their own way and there is no need from fans to constantly compare them or try to somehow state that one is “better“ than the other. It’s not necessary. They are both great and what one has achieved doesn’t make the other less worth. People don’t have to like Alina and they don’t have to like Kaetlyn either. But they at least should respect BOTH of them for what they’ve done.
I do not know why Kaetlyn is constantly being brought in here when she’s not even competing this year, though. Let that girl have her well deserved break.
And what baffles me most of all is why Alina is suddenly being written off by so many despite winning both her GP assignments and being the highest ranked skater entering the event... I mean... come on. Whether people like it or not, she is the top lady this season. She isn‘t untouchable but she‘s pretty hard to catch, imo. And she‘ll be competing for gold in every competition she enters and probably win a fair share if not all of them.
Fluture, you deserve a special award for being one of the most reasonable and least nationally biased posters on this forum. Thank you for making an effort to write those thoughtful responses to controversial topics
Some fans of Kaetlyn bring Alina down and some fans of Alina bring Kaetlyn down, neither of which is justifiable. They both have considerable achievements that speak for themselves – they don't need their fans to speak badly of the other to boost their egos. Alina worked hard and she's the Olympic Champion; Kaetlyn also worked hard and she's the World Champion. Besides, they were actually very friendly towards each other, so it is some fans that bring toxicity into this. (Neither of them is my very favourite skater but this isn't very hard to recognise.)
Please guys there is nothing wrong in discussing two competitive skater controversially in an analytic thread. We don't need to love each other all the time and have the same opinion and sugarcoat the failure of competitive skater. If you want to spread your unlimited love and sugurcoat everything go to the fan fest!Fluture, you deserve a special award for being one of the most reasonable and least nationally biased posters on this forum. Thank you for making an effort to write those thoughtful responses to controversial topics
Some fans of Kaetlyn bring Alina down and some fans of Alina bring Kaetlyn down, neither of which is justifiable. They both have considerable achievements that speak for themselves – they don't need their fans to speak badly of the other to boost their egos. Alina worked hard and she's the Olympic Champion; Kaetlyn also worked hard and she's the World Champion. Besides, they were actually very friendly towards each other, so it is some fans that bring toxicity into this. (Neither of them is my very favourite skater but this isn't very hard to recognise.)
Your statement is true of all GP events, so why does Canada always have the strictest tech panels?
Perhaps it depends on who can get visas and travel there??
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Thanks for reminding us. This thread is inherently a measuring thread of different skaters. Sometimes threads can turn into a finger pointing exercise when some of us dare to be critical of the judging of specific skaters. If one wants unchallenged opinions, I'm afraid The Edge is not the correct forum.
True, but it’s kinda pointless to measure a skater who hasn't even competed this season against those who are. That’s what the issue is.
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There is a difference between comparing two skaters with reason and just turning it into a shouting contest of whose favourite is better. Honestly, no offense but how do you expect people not to be annoyed if there is senseless discussing of which skater had the better season last year when this is 1) a thread where THIS SEASON‘S ranking should be determined and discussed 2) one of the two athletes isn‘t even competing this season and doesn‘t have anything to do in here anyway.
And many might disagree but showing respect to an athlete even if you don‘t particularly like him or her isn‘t sugarcoating or showing unlimited love. There is no need to put down skaters’ achievements by saying they were overscored anyway, or didn‘t earn their medal in the team event because they didn‘t perform as well... It goes both way and actually, neither side is without fault. In my opinion reasonable criticism should include at least a few arguments backed up with solid explanations and not simply some “facts“ or “opinions“ thrown into the room. To my mind that is not a discussion and it‘s not a valid comparison either.
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Send me a PM if you want to engage, as I can't send one to you (I've read some of your edited/deleted replies).
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Truth!! The results will always speak for themselves anyway. Never underestimate the value of that ignore feature
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Some UR can't take away a bunch of +4/5 on everything else. Even assuming that a more strict panel may add some UR on her jumps, they can also do it on others anyway, especially Satoko, while the other judges will still going to scoring as always, on PCS and GOE.
If Alina don't bombing heavily, and i'm not saying that we'll going see it happen (again), i really don't see this gold goes to the most clean of the competition, nor the one with better jumps.
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Poster: Alina generally peaks later in the season so she has a great shot at winning.
Specific other poster: Alina doesn't peak later in the season all she did was splat at worlds. She peaked at Euros and Olympics (which is indeed, in the second half of the season
). Now my favourite skater, SHE peaks as the season goes on.
Reality: It is possible for more than one skater to peak later in the season. Shocking
.
Specific other poster: Alina doesn't peak later in the season all she did was splat at worlds. She peaked at Euros and Olympics (which is indeed, in the second half of the season
). Now my favourite skater, SHE peaks as the season goes on. Reality: It is possible for more than one skater to peak later in the season. Shocking
.
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Reality: It is possible for more than one skater to peak later in the season. Shocking
Careful, this opinion of yours might not remain unchallenged on The Edge.
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I'm sure they're used to it and plan accordingly. These skaters have had plenty of international experiences in juniors and seniors and they know it's an important competition so it's really no excuse. Even if the skaters don't have experience, however, all the coaching teams have plenty of it; they've all trained world/olympic podium finishers in the past. They will go earlier to account for this.
I think it's worth noting that although Alina qualified to GPF in first with 30 points, Satoko actually had a higher score total (439.18 to Alina's 438.24). Obviously, you can't compare scores from one competition to another, but in a way the nominal point totals can't really be compared either. If Rika had been in a grand prix with Alina instead of Satoko, Alina might be the one who gets 13 points while Satoko gets 15.
Not trying to say Satoko will win it all, I think this just shows how consistent Satoko is and how she can win if Rika or Alina falter (which wouldn't be absolutely surprising). Satoko is close to her max though, so she will need to be perfect to contend.
Not trying to say Satoko will win it all, I think this just shows how consistent Satoko is and how she can win if Rika or Alina falter (which wouldn't be absolutely surprising). Satoko is close to her max though, so she will need to be perfect to contend.
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In their only joint outing this season Alina beat Satoko with a very healthy margin....just saying.
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This thread has gone off the rails with a little too much bashing of skaters, fans, etc. Closed for maintenance.
Edit: The thread is now open.
Keep posts constructive and about the skaters.
Edit: The thread is now open.
Keep posts constructive and about the skaters.
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I just also think Rika's short, even when clean, is still not very good. Clair de Lune is just impossibly snoozy and it's such a regrettable choice when she's so competitive this season. Alina's POTO, with all of its weird cuts and ill-fitting choreography, is more memorable of a program and when it's clean there's nothing that will come close. I can't necessarily argue with that either. Most of the shorts this year aren't that impressive to me, and I don't think Rika has any chance of getting competitive component marks for it. Her FS is the real moneymaker here, and it's always tough working from a deficit like that. It'll take most of the season to even potentially make up for it, and even then she has to skate it clean when it counts most at Worlds.
If Rika lands a triple axel that alone would make the program memorable. Yes, her short isn't the most memorable artistically, but then again, whos is? The main reason I think Rika's components will not go up as quickly is that she isn't particularly consistent. For all the times she is the top two in people's power rankings, how many times has she skated two clean programs in a competition, or two clean shorts in a row, or two clean longs in a row? Despite that, I would still put her in second amongst the current seniors, simply because of the fact that she doesn't actually lose much even when she does botch the triple axels. My actual power ranking would probably consist of 4 Russians at the top: Zagitova, Trusova, shcherbakova, and kostornaya, followed by Kihira.
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Y'all need to stop throwing feces at each other. XD
Alina is a great competitor. She is fuelled by competition. i.e. Olympics. She's a fighter.
Rika is also great and is learning to adapt in the senior circuit. i.e. GP France.
Satoko is awesome and needs better scores in PCS for her beautiful short program that she performs so well.
Evgenia is a great skater no matter what adversities she's facing as of the moment.
Kaetlyn is not competing. She deserved all of her accolades.
I'm excited for GPF next week. May the best woman win. *insert Rupaul XD
Alina is a great competitor. She is fuelled by competition. i.e. Olympics. She's a fighter.
Rika is also great and is learning to adapt in the senior circuit. i.e. GP France.
Satoko is awesome and needs better scores in PCS for her beautiful short program that she performs so well.
Evgenia is a great skater no matter what adversities she's facing as of the moment.
Kaetlyn is not competing. She deserved all of her accolades.
I'm excited for GPF next week. May the best woman win. *insert Rupaul XD
