Never said he was fake nothing or that to take a half a second to get up was to long. I was there and the audiance did not even know if he was going to continue, he looked like he was about to have a melt down and walk of the ice it was a bit dramatic. There was other skaters and pairs who had falls on throws(they were nasty) and Evan fall in warm up on this Quad and found the heart to carried on without the dramatics. If an unknown skater had have presented themselves in such way they would have been crucified by the judges and there association. Back to the point I was trying to make was that what happens on ice is what should be important not what happens off the ice in thier private lives. It's a sport and the competition should take place on the ice that day and let the best skate win!!
Johnny's Reaction in the K&C
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Skater 17, you said, "some of these issues surround Sandhu too...." Could you elaborate?
From my (American) eyes, Sandhu seems always to be villified by the Canadian Press, who like to make him out to be the devil while Buttle is made out to be jesus (or something).
The situation is not quite Weir vs Lysacek (with the implications of the way the US media portray their rivalry) because (and let me be frank) both Buttle and Sandhu are both gay men. So (the way the Canadian media play it up) it's more good cop vs bad cop.
Do you find the Canadian media make as big a deal about the sexuality of Buttle, Sandhu and Shawn Sawyer as the American media make about that of Weir and Lysackek?
From my (American) eyes, Sandhu seems always to be villified by the Canadian Press, who like to make him out to be the devil while Buttle is made out to be jesus (or something).
The situation is not quite Weir vs Lysacek (with the implications of the way the US media portray their rivalry) because (and let me be frank) both Buttle and Sandhu are both gay men. So (the way the Canadian media play it up) it's more good cop vs bad cop.
Do you find the Canadian media make as big a deal about the sexuality of Buttle, Sandhu and Shawn Sawyer as the American media make about that of Weir and Lysackek?
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Given the sales of gossip and dirt in the US, it makes money. That's what makes the world go round, especiall in a free market economy.
Joe
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he got right back up at nationals this year and kept going. Johnny is not the only one that lets a jump affect his performance (think Kurt Browning's LP at the 92 Olympics, his body language spoke volumes...) Johnny's fall at worlds IIRC was eerily similar to the fall he had a few years back at nationals and I don't blame him for taking a moment...
Were D/L being overly dramatic at the olympics when she fell? Or does this rule only apply to Johnny.
as for private lives - unless you're Johnny or someone who is intimately aware of what he's going through right now we shouldn't judge him for allowing it to bleed into other aspects of his life.
Layman, I do feel Sandue get more negitive media coverage in general than Jeffery and Shawn. I feel all media tend to bash a athelete if they are not at the top of there game. Maybe it's the need to find the something besides the skating to sell the sport. I know media also protect certain skaters such as pair skaters and affairs that go on behind closed doors. My question is why the media is being controlled about certain atheletes and yet others there seems to be no limits to what is printed. I am wondering what the media was like to Rudy when he made his comback, in the Canadian media they seemed to focus on the comeback story and personally I was all for it! Treat them as an athelete focus on what it take to be were they are and sell the sport on merit.
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I don't remember reading anything negative about Rudy... but I was... 11(?) when he won his title... I remember more about how his press release about being HIV positive was received. I was 14... and all the papers I had access to were very supportive...
I was responding to your lack of compassion for Johnny. Saying his attitude was bad because he fell and lingered on the ice is what hit a nerve (and I'm not a fan of his skating). Not what nationality you are.
I was responding to your lack of compassion for Johnny. Saying his attitude was bad because he fell and lingered on the ice is what hit a nerve (and I'm not a fan of his skating). Not what nationality you are.
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I remember that the US media were generally very supportive of Rudy Galindo. His comeback was such a feel-good story. Everyone wanted to be associated with that at first (the media love a great story and Rudy's comeback cast the sport in a very flattering light).
On the other hand, Rudy says that the USFSA did not support him (after his win). He recieved the same kind of innuendo and disapproval from USFSA judges and officials that Johnny is getting now. Rudy says that officials constantly criticized his style and told him to "make it more masculine."
I remember the US press using the code word "flamboyant" to describe Rudy before he came out (rather than the word gay). The same code word is being used by the US media now to describe Weir.
Rudy being open about his sexual orientation though, really changed the dynamics of the press coverage. Rudy's orientation was no longer a story or issue (after he came out) and the press moved on.
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Yet so many posters here have not moved on. Or even made the real connection.
My friend said the same thing when we went skating, about me - "...that was flamboyant and femmie" - and I'm not gay but I am rather feminine and flamboyant most of the time - heck I wear eye cream, watch Entertainment tonight and know what the best eyelash curler on the market is. But his point was, he wants / exspects to see a different style of skating from a man then a woman, so did his wife watching Johnny during the Olys. They both loved the fluff piece about him saying "he is really cool, I like his attitude." But thought his skating was "out of place" in the mens comp. Also saying that about a few positions of a couple of the men.
It is general public perception. Again, EVERYONE knows there are homosexuals in FS, EVERYONE! It is accepted and OK to anyone who would watch. They [ISU, etc..] want to get more audience participation via audience connection, not the negative view of disconnection. That is silly. I am sure there (not so bright IMO) marketing staff has even figured that one out. And Why in the hell would they want to "sever ties" to a large group of people involved already. This Hetrophobic / Homophobic stuff just does not make sense from growth or sustain marketing POV.
Now if they could let the classes be genderless and have "feminine and masculine" opposed to "Ladies and Men" would you all be happy?
I can't believe how few see that there is a preexisting decorum that ANYONE who does ANYTHING that is out of the norm is going to catch some flack. Some will be good and some bad.And if Johnny didn't agree with this in some manner, do you think he would have "changed his style" this year.
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I don't think he agrees with the idea that men's skating has to look like that. But I think it was a 'if you can't beat them join them' type attitude this year. I think he was looking at US nationals. He heard rumblings that Evan was going to win if he skated well, he knew Evan wanted it. He knew he needed something different. So he tried to play Evan's game of being the 'manly man'. Why he chose the Christ avenue I'm not really sure. Because while he wanted that more masculine style Christ is always thought of as quiet, calm... yes He is power and 'God' but at the same time He turned the other cheek. So I wouldn't have gone that route. I would have gone more with something in your face...because there really wasn't that much of a departure. IMHO.
Johnny needs to go back to being Johnny. He was rewarded for that style for over three years. The only time he wasn't was when HE wasn't on his game and someone skated past him. I'm all for change (and I will agree that it is nice to see a more masculine style, but the more I watch Johnny the more I appreciate his style and the more I don't wish him to change out there... now his fluff pieces lol) but not to the point where someone loses their identity, and Johnny just seems lost out there. But I don't know him so I don't know what he's going through, so it's speculation at this point. When he write his autobiography when he turns 90 (hee hee) maybe he'll open up about this time and we'll finally know
Johnny needs to go back to being Johnny. He was rewarded for that style for over three years. The only time he wasn't was when HE wasn't on his game and someone skated past him. I'm all for change (and I will agree that it is nice to see a more masculine style, but the more I watch Johnny the more I appreciate his style and the more I don't wish him to change out there... now his fluff pieces lol) but not to the point where someone loses their identity, and Johnny just seems lost out there. But I don't know him so I don't know what he's going through, so it's speculation at this point. When he write his autobiography when he turns 90 (hee hee) maybe he'll open up about this time and we'll finally know
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I don't believe it is because they are gay. Buttle and Sawyer do not make flamboyant waves off the ice. Some skaters go the other route and become macho flamboyant.
I think the USFS is not interferring in Johnny's life. I'm not either. Let's get on with the skating.
Joe
I think the USFS is not interferring in Johnny's life. I'm not either. Let's get on with the skating.
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So, clearly the message being given to the skaters from officials is "stay in your place...don't make waves...don't ask, don't tell...stay in the closet."
Rudy Galindo could not play by those rules, so he retired from amateur skating prematurely (since he could have gone on to compete in the 1998 Olympics). I hope that no one else is forced out of skating because they refuse to stay in the closet.
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In Christine Brennan's first book, Inside Edge, she recounts traveling on the SOI bus with Scott Hamilton to gather background material. She asked Scott, "How many of the male skaters on this bus are heterosexual?"
Scott answered instantly, "All of them. Next question."
I guess the the 1976, 1980 and 1988 Olympic Champions weren't on that bus then.
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I would seriously doubt the 1976 Olympic champion were on that bus since he'd been dead some years....
As to the other mentions....i still think its pretty rude to try to "out" someone when they haven't officially done so themselves...part of my outrage in the Lund thread a little while ago. Unless you have some way of knowing (and gee what a great friend you would be, to have such confirmed information and then come and blab it on a forum) it is speculation on your part.
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Boitano hasn't come out... so how do we know?
and Boitano has never been on SOI, so no he wouldn't be on the SOI bus. I believe Robin Cousins toured briefly with them in the early early years of the tour.
as for the question... maybe it was a way to say 'who cares, that's not what we should focus on.'
and Boitano has never been on SOI, so no he wouldn't be on the SOI bus. I believe Robin Cousins toured briefly with them in the early early years of the tour.
as for the question... maybe it was a way to say 'who cares, that's not what we should focus on.'
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If it was meant to be a "who cares response" then "All of them" would have been a far more suitable answer than "None of them".
Ant
Clearly the 'we' didn't include the multitude of blogs and forums that are around today, including this one
All these ludicrous conspiracy-theories about the USFS wanting to shut JW up and shut him out of the game ! Sheese, he's (liquid) gold as far as getting and keeping attention on the sport goes.
And he doesn't skate too bad either
