Alena Kostornaia
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I submit everything you wrote, Ballerina, but you still don't understand that being original means do programs to jazz/blues and tango
Oh, my bad flanker...You are so right, I always forget about this. :hslap: Especially the standard lyrical piece, with no transitions whatsoever, which can help the viewers for a good night's sleep
Alyona being a vampire will be just the opposite of that
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I submit everything you wrote, Ballerina, but you still don't understand that being original means do programs to jazz/blues and tango
Or to Carmen and POTO?
All a matter of perspective.Personally, I‘ll look forward to Alena‘s exhibition. I‘m hoping it‘s fierce and dark but doesn‘t go into the direction Zhenya‘s Vogue program did (because that was just plain weird, in my eyes). But either way, I‘m looking forward to seeing Alena again. Hopefully happy and fully healthy.
I dont know about Eteri, but Daniil surely spends time on Instagram.
Even Alyona's Angel program - the image was inspired by what Ted said.
The vampire as well (people wrote that Alena is like a vampire from Twilight on a group picture from the rink), I myself wrote about using Sia (although I recommended that for Alina as she stated that she is listening to Sia and enjoys this music). Carmen for Alina was also recommended by people...
As I said it is not necessarly bad (to borrow ideas from Internet), but I would love to see his own ideas as well, not Eteri's, not other's people.
Even Alyona's Angel program - the image was inspired by what Ted said.
The vampire as well (people wrote that Alena is like a vampire from Twilight on a group picture from the rink), I myself wrote about using Sia (although I recommended that for Alina as she stated that she is listening to Sia and enjoys this music). Carmen for Alina was also recommended by people...
As I said it is not necessarly bad (to borrow ideas from Internet), but I would love to see his own ideas as well, not Eteri's, not other's people.
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I guess we have to cut him some slack. He‘s doing programs for all Team Tutberidze, it‘s almost impossible to have original and good ideas for so many skaters. I don‘t think it‘s bad using ideas from fans if they like the concept and it fits the skater. I still think that once 3A turn senior, it might benefit them (and Alina as well) to maybe work with a different choreographer as well, for one or two programs. Lots of skaters do that and it would lift some of the pressure of Daniil as he wouldn‘t have to create programs for every skater in the team. There used to be different choreographers who worked with Team Tutberidze when there were less skaters. Doesn‘t make sense to restrict to only one now that it‘s so many of them, and so many with star potential. I actually like many of the programs Daniil has done and some of them are definitely iconic. I also shake my head at some of them, however and am like:
But I guess that‘s normal. There can‘t only be masterpieces and not every programs fits the taste of everyone.Edit: Hasn‘t he said that Alina‘s Black Swan was an idea of his for a long time? With the costume change and everything?
I guess we have to cut him some slack. He‘s doing programs for all Team Tutberidze, it‘s almost impossible to have original and good ideas for so many skaters. I don‘t think it‘s bad using ideas from fans if they like the concept and it fits the skater. I still think that once 3A turn senior, it might benefit them (and Alina as well) to maybe work with a different choreographer as well, for one or two programs. Lots of skaters do that and it would lift some of the pressure of Daniil as he wouldn‘t have to create programs for every skater in the team. There used to be different choreographers who worked with Team Tutberidze when there were less skaters. Doesn‘t make sense to restrict to only one now that it‘s so many of them, and so many with star potential. I actually like many of the programs Daniil has done and some of them are definitely iconic. I also shake my head at some of them, however and am like:
Edit: Hasn‘t he said that Alina‘s Black Swan was an idea of his for a long time? With the costume change and everything?
I agree that it would be worth if some of the ladies work with another choreographer, just to experiment new styles, and images.
I would love to see Sasha Trusova work with Shae-Lynn Bourn, I think her choreo style would suit Trusova the best (from Eteri's ladies), and maybe Tom Dickson and Misha Ge with the others.
It doesnt bother me that some of Daniil's programs are not so good, I think it is normal for every choreographer to have better or worse pieces. It bothers me that he seems to have rather few ideas, I personally know just 2: Alina's Black Swan which was first for Julia and being an artist who has some troubles (image from Polina's short and Moris free this season).
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Or to Carmen and POTO?
Actually yes. When a coreographer creates let's say 20 programs in a season, if 4-5 of them are on a warhorse I don't think it's a bad thing/too much. Sometimes it is about what that skater needs in that specific part of his career, and the trainers consider to implement. The thing that it's more important to me, is that the programs are not all similar, but with totally different styles, shaped on the base of the strenghts of each individual. But this is my personal opinion and every one has his own preferences, which if course I kindly accept.
Alyona, she has a total masterpiece as a SP and a FS on a warhorse, that actually suits her. Not the perfect choice, but they are different in style, give her room to grow, and she is shining in both, so mission accomplished. I imagine the entire creative process between Eteri and Daniil as something very intense and analytical, and we can't know which idea is from whom, but if the outcome is gorgeous, then their task is completely fulfilled. This is all that matters. If you take their entire choreographical work, the balance inclines towards more successful works. Also I loved both Alyona's last season's programs, a pleasure to watch them! :luv17:
p.s. Congratulations, madison! A great idea, I love both Eteri's team Sia programs!
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You know, I have nothing against Alina‘s programs. I actually really like Carmen for her (I think the fierce style really fits her) and have warmed up to POTO. But it was a bit weird to make fun of tango and jazz when those two music choices aren’t exactly unusual or “original“ either. In the end, I think you‘re right that it always depends on how the program is suited to the specific skater and how it fits him or her. Alina has had a lot of warhorses in her senior career but some of them are very distinct and when you see them, you know it‘s Alina Zagitova and not just “another Black Swan or another Don Quixote“. Especially her Olympic programs had that kind of moments about them, despite being warhorses. I don‘t think warhorses are necessarily bad, even if we have heard and seen a whole of them already, just as much as I don‘t think tango and jazz are bad. Maybe I won‘t like all of the programs made to music like this (I‘m, for example, not a big tango fan in general and the reason why I enjoy Evgenia‘s tango is that it isn‘t much like a tango at all) but I will accept them. And to me it just seemed unnecessary to make fun of two styles of music that are very common while wholeheartedly accepting others that are just as frequently used. That‘s why I made the tongue in cheek comment about Alina‘s POTO and Carmen. But that‘s very off-topic, so let‘s go back to Alena:
I agree that Alena‘s SP is a masterpiece. In generally, I usually love Daniil‘s SP. Some of them are truly iconic and among my favorites. And I think he‘s done a great job at SP as well. The FS is okay, I wouldn‘t say it‘s bad but it isn‘t exactly special either. But it fits her and she‘s performing it well and thus: mission accomplished, like you said. I would love for Alena to keep her SP for next season. I think it‘s amazing how many styles she can portray successfuly. Last season we‘ve had her intense and fierce SP, the lyrical FS. And now we‘ll get to see a very dramatic and dark gala (I hope so). She‘s certainly good at acting. I hope they explore this diversity in styles for her for her senior debut.
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Commissioning a choreography for a skater costs money, and takes time, a couple of weeks probably before everything fits the skater's routine perfectly.
This Aleksey Z. the dance teacher Khrustalniy hires for their skaters, would he make a good choreographer, routine designer?
I don't think Khrustalniy wants to hire a foreign choreographer for their young stars. Maybe once they get older, have become more independent and have their own income through endorsements?
Does Gleikhengauz also cut and mix the music tracks? Because apart from the dance and performance elements, you also need a master of the music to have everything fit the skater.
Having been a skater yourself probably benefits the choreographer with getting the feeling, flow, building tension up and down of a routine.
This Aleksey Z. the dance teacher Khrustalniy hires for their skaters, would he make a good choreographer, routine designer?
I don't think Khrustalniy wants to hire a foreign choreographer for their young stars. Maybe once they get older, have become more independent and have their own income through endorsements?
Does Gleikhengauz also cut and mix the music tracks? Because apart from the dance and performance elements, you also need a master of the music to have everything fit the skater.
Having been a skater yourself probably benefits the choreographer with getting the feeling, flow, building tension up and down of a routine.
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This discussion about choreography and choreographical choices that madison started seemed to be very interesting and I wanted to express my opinion on the background represented by Alyona's programs, and I was referring to warhorses thinking especially at Alyona's (gorgeous) R&J. I don't feel comfortable discussing so specific other skater's choreography in Alyona's FF, and I don't feel it's right to her, but if you want you can start a topic on the Edge or PM me personally and I will be gladly continue this interesting discussion.
To continue this on a positive note, I will leave here one of my favourite moments of the season
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqHVuahh0LS/
To continue this on a positive note, I will leave here one of my favourite moments of the season
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqHVuahh0LS/
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Yes I agree, probably not now, since Eteri and Daniil can make all the programs. But when their group will grow even bigger, probably they'll need some help
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This discussion about choreography and choreographical choices that madison started seemed to be very interesting and I wanted to express my opinion on the background represented by our sweet Alyona's programs, and I was referring to warhorses thinking especially at Alyona's (gorgeous) R&J. I don't feel comfortable discussing so specific other skater's choreography in Alyona's FF, and I don't feel it's right to her, but if you want you can start a topic on the Edge or PM me personally and I will be gladly continue this interesting discussion.
To continue this on a more positive note, I will leave here one of my favourite moments of the season
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqHVuahh0LS/
You agree, it doesn‘t belong into Alena‘s fanfest, the discussion just happened to start here and I wanted to explain my reasons so as to not give wrong impressions of why I made a certain comment.
That moment was great! I love how she‘s like: Wooow! I also loved the JGPF SP. When suddenly a big grin started to appear on her face. And I think Eteri asked Dudakov: Is that a record?
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Or to Carmen and POTO?
Becuse I do not crawl into the other FF (allegedly "positive place", which, I believe, excludes such types of comments, there is plenty of room in threads dedicated to teams in The Edge for it) just to announce (annoy) people how some choreo isn't original in my opinion. Those who do this are doing it very selectively. So, my reaction in fact says exactly that what you are wondering about and I wouldn't do any such reaction without action. To say it directly my first reaction says: "it is a bid weird to criticize those programs for lack of originality while those you are fan of are in no way more original."
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This is retrospective thinking. In a hundred or even thousands of comments it is not difficult to find the right comment. Moreover, such a weak logic is used for evidence: "Ted said on JFGP-2017 that she is an angel. And this was the idea that Daniel stole half a year later". Wow, just wow
To say about a charming young girl that she is an angel is so unusual. After you have said this, you must certainly run to the patent office.
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A bit late to the party, but I ought to print this :luv17:
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Those would be beautiful postal stamps.
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I'd like her to try something new though, maybe Edith Piaf like she stated?
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