ILA- I'm definitely not old (lol)...but I'm ready to give her the benefit of the doubt. I think the intense hatred of her I'm seeing is really over the top. But she's hardly the only one who's been subjected to such scrutiny in the skating world. Remember the "princess" image...anyone who does not conform to it better watch out.
Mira Leung - Statement
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You may have a point. I have to confess that I almost have a vitriolic reaction to Emily's skating.
I don't much like Mira Leung, but it's not for her lack of "princess" qualities, and I am not an old lady.
I don't like the lack of respect she shows for her coaches, for one thing. It's just plain bad manners, and reflects her egocentric view of the world.
Mira is constantly saying how good she is, and how she's going to shock the world with her skating. I think she should just stop making these ludicrous announcements, and just skate. Let her skating speak for itself.
I don't like the lack of respect she shows for her coaches, for one thing. It's just plain bad manners, and reflects her egocentric view of the world.
Mira is constantly saying how good she is, and how she's going to shock the world with her skating. I think she should just stop making these ludicrous announcements, and just skate. Let her skating speak for itself.
One thing I CAN agree with is this. But frankly I could care less what she says. The real question is, does she walk the walk?
Surely though, this "announcement" comes in light of her unusually rough performance. She should have said something at the time if she wanted to save face, though. Now the timing of it just seems as if she wants to "shake off" the bad comments (or that she's "blaming" someone or something other than herself).
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Having watched ALL the Ladies, I do believe she was not the one to put in last place. There were others who couldn't do half of what she did, and what they did do was faulty. But judges, imo, are not as astute with contestants below the 12th placement.
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Exactly. Cocky is not something I admire or respect anyway. But cocky and seemingly delusional about the reality? Just disturbing.
I have to add that a lot of it has do with the lack of respect for other skaters on the ice in practice, too. She has a tendency to piss a lot of people off in practice. It's the vibe she gives off not only in media statements and interviews, but also on the ice in person.
Every coach who has mentioned Mira's name has not said anything positive about her skating nor her behaviour and attitude towards others.
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She is a bit of a deluded girl I am afraid. She does not have the talent or skills to be top 8 in the world at this point. I am not sure why she would set an unreaslistic goal for herself. Maybe top 12 would make more sense as a goal, it would be extremely hard and I highly doubt she would manage it. Still atleast there would have been a bit of realism to it.
She needs to tear down everything in her skating and start over. New jump technique, new spin technique, new stroking technique. Also completely change her look, learn how to wear makeup, learn about costuming, presenting yourself like a women not a little girl. She needs to fix her posture, going through exercises of holding herself properly while she skates or something. She needs ballet lessons too. Everything needs to be torn down and fixed if she is ever going to have hope for a successful career. She needs to check her ego, realize she isnt that good and her only real asset is her competitive mind and focus which allows her to do so many clean jumps. Then she can realize the drastic renovation of herself that is needed immediately before it is too late.
She needs to tear down everything in her skating and start over. New jump technique, new spin technique, new stroking technique. Also completely change her look, learn how to wear makeup, learn about costuming, presenting yourself like a women not a little girl. She needs to fix her posture, going through exercises of holding herself properly while she skates or something. She needs ballet lessons too. Everything needs to be torn down and fixed if she is ever going to have hope for a successful career. She needs to check her ego, realize she isnt that good and her only real asset is her competitive mind and focus which allows her to do so many clean jumps. Then she can realize the drastic renovation of herself that is needed immediately before it is too late.
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Whew, I can see why you picked your user name.
Except, I saw Judge Judy the other day - doesn't she give people a hug after she chews them out?
Except, I saw Judge Judy the other day - doesn't she give people a hug after she chews them out?
I agree about most everything that you say although it has been said on other boards that Mira does take ballet lessons. She might have to change ballet coaches though. There are good and bad ballet coaches. I once quit ballet as a child because the local ballet school ( and I live in a rural area so there aren't competing schools ) changed teachers from an excellent one to a terrible one who would just let anything go.
I also go easy on the makeup criticism as she may have allergies that may limit or eliminate her makeup choices. Until a couple months ago one could not even get ingredient lists for makeup in Canada so everything had to be avoided. This I know from personal experience ( highly allergic to certain dyes found in many cosmetics). That does not excuse someone from having a neat appearance ( ie panties showing, ratty boots , holes in tights all of which Mira has done)
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I am glad to see that this forum allows those with intelligent opinions to actually state them without risk of constant abuse by those who feel that no one should be able to critique or constructively criticize any skater. Most posters on this forum have provided well-thought out opinions, some backed by personal knowledge or observation (as opposed to another forum where I notice any time someone actually tries to discuss the behaviour or program, or performance of an elite skater - they are trounced on).
Trashing skaters is not right -- but an intellilgent discussion regarding their behaviour, performance, program or other skating-related issues - is.
Keep up the interesting discussions, Golden Skate posters!!
Trashing skaters is not right -- but an intellilgent discussion regarding their behaviour, performance, program or other skating-related issues - is.
Keep up the interesting discussions, Golden Skate posters!!
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I am glad to see that this forum allows those with intelligent opinions to actually state them without risk of constant abuse by those who feel that no one should be able to critique or constructively criticize any skater. Most posters on this forum have provided well-thought out opinions, some backed by personal knowledge or observation (as opposed to another forum where I notice any time someone actually tries to discuss the behaviour or program, or performance of an elite skater - they are trounced on).
Trashing skaters is not right -- but an intellilgent discussion regarding their behaviour, performance, program or other skating-related issues - is.
Keep up the interesting discussions, Golden Skate posters!!
Did my post occasion your indirect criticism? If so, I don't really understand why it would be considered "intelligent" to trash a skater who can't talk back but "abusive" to criticize another poster who is perfectly capable of defending him/herself.
I'm not sure how another poster's insistence - for example - that "everything" about a senior-level skater should be "torn down" and rebuilt can be construed as constructive or even intelligent. It just seems vindictive.
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Even Origins products?
http://www.origins.com/templates/products/supercat.tmpl?CATEGORY_ID=CATEGORY4715
The only issue I have heard of with their stuff is Eucalyptus allergies. That is surprising. I live I learn.:yes:
I have never tried that brand. Generally I have avoided any cosmetic without an ingredient list for some time ( which eliminates over 90% of drug and department store brands). I know that words like hypoallergenic and non-comedogenic mean nothing as I have broken out with products with those labels. Even Clinique and Almay have messed up my skin.
I love the Kiss my face lipsticks. And EchoBella has some nice colours for eyes and cheeks. Generally the health store brands ( like kiss my face and echobella) have worked better for me allergy-wise. And they have always listed their ingredients unlike the department and drug store brands in Canada.
The only problem for me is finding a suitable foundation for my skin. The health food stores tend to be limited in their colour choices with several too light choices and one too dark choice that looks like black mud. BTW , I am of West Indian descent.
Now that Canada just passed ( within the last 2 months) a law requiring ingredient listings on cosmetics, I just may venture back into the drug and department stores to see what is available. Of course it will take some time before all products on the shelves will have labeling.
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Well, I guess my praise was wrong...there are still posters on this website who can't discuss something rationally without attacking the other person. I never even read your post that I am aware of...... I was not criticizing anyone from this forum but rather referring to crap that is being posted on another site .
Anyone in the world has the ability and the opportunity to participate in this forum and should elite skaters (many actually do belong to this forum and others) or coaches or officials - choose to participate with their opinions, they are free to do so. Freedom of speech still exists as far as I know it --- just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean we are trashing someone.
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FWIW, it has nothing to do with whether someone agrees or disagrees with me - I'm not a Mira fan, even though I enjoy her skating more than some others here do.
If elite skaters are indeed reading this forum, as it appears, all the more reason for people to be considerate when criticizing skaters. I fail to see how saying "everything" about a senior level skater, in detail, is wrong can be considered anything but trashing.
You are confusing freedom of speech with easy, anonymous rudeness. JMHO. I am in no way trying to silence or attack you or any other poster but simply exercising my own right to offer constructive criticism.
Having said that, I apologize for misreading your first post as directed at me.
If elite skaters are indeed reading this forum, as it appears, all the more reason for people to be considerate when criticizing skaters. I fail to see how saying "everything" about a senior level skater, in detail, is wrong can be considered anything but trashing.
You are confusing freedom of speech with easy, anonymous rudeness. JMHO. I am in no way trying to silence or attack you or any other poster but simply exercising my own right to offer constructive criticism.
Having said that, I apologize for misreading your first post as directed at me.
RE:ballet Mira took lessons at Goh ballet, one of the best ballet schools in Canada! But there was an article a long time ago about her ballet teacher mentioning that her musicality is coming along implying that it was an area that she needed to work on.
RE: makeup I believe there are barrier creams in the drug store that are inexpensive that can be applied to the face prior to makeup application. The barrier provides just that so the makeup doesn't absorb into the skin.
BTW, an excellent resource for shopping for makeup is a book called "Don't go to the cosmetics counter without me" by Paula Begoun. Excellent, excellent, excellent! She also has a website: www.cosmeticscop.com with updated products.
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I thought this was a very well thought out post because it provides specific facts. There is no put down in this post, although it may not be what Mira wants to hear. In fact, I could easily see a coach saying the same things to Mira. I do know of a couple skaters who literally had to "tear down everything and start over" and though it seemed to hold them back for some months, in the long run it did them good. A good teacher is one who is honest, doesn't sugar coat, and corrects you when you need correcting.
The problem why skaters (in general) who require relearning jump technique, for instance, put that on hold is because they say, "I'll start relearning the technique after the competition coming up". But there always seems to be another competition coming up and so they never have time to relearn a jump techniqe.
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Exactly! ITA.
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