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Then what's the explanation for the GOE then? It's pretty low of the ISU to tell a skater one season your jumps are fine and then go "Oh wait jokes on you, they aren't, good luck changing your technique now, sucker." We all know how well that worked for Mao.

The explanation is that she has grown since last season & is now URing her jumps so is losing the GOE. Same explanation that happened with Shiraiwa, Tsurkskaya, Andrews, Honda, etc. Yes, it's always frustrating when this happens. Sometimes athletes come through the experience. Sometimes they don't. On the plus side for Samodurova, she has Mishin on her side & he isn't the type to give up.

I don't think it is possible to overestimate how hard it is to change technique. Having said that, Mao Asada won 2014 Worlds gold, two GPF gold, world bronze, and had a brilliant free skate at the 2014 Olympic Games--all late in her career. (It was a challenging up & down career. Also a brilliant one that spanned over a decade at the senior level:love:).
 
Trying to catch up with all the press:

Figure skater Samodurova shocked by low ratings for performance at the Grand Prix in Sapporo

The athlete and her coach do not understand the judges' marks for the free program

SAPPORO / Japan /, November 23. / Corr. TASS Veronika Sovyetova. Russian figure skater Sof'ya Samodurova is shocked at the low score for performing in the free program at the Grand Prix stage in Sapporo, Japan. The athlete told reporters after the performance.

The athlete received 119.42 points, in the sum of two programs - 183.27.

“Of course, I would argue over the score. But from this stage I came to the conclusion that you have to endure pain and fight, and this is my new experience and my new knowledge. I am satisfied with my skating run, and my coach is satisfied, but we simply don’t understand the judges, Alexey Nikolayevich [Mishin] is in shock", Samodurova emphasised.

The athlete said that she was pissed off by reactions to a message about sinusitis postponed from before the Grand Prix stage, about which Samodurova told TASS on Friday after a short program: “I had pain through today, but now I don’t want to talk about it. After I told about their sinusitis, many began to write: “why do athletes talk about their illnesses only after unsuccessful skating runs?” This hurt me, so I won’t tell no more about being ill.”

When asked by TASS why the athlete was studying publications before her performances, Samodurova replied: “This doesn’t bother me at all, I don’t pay attention to it. I just concluded that I wouldn’t talk about my health anymore. I was even motivated and angry by this attitude.”

Samodurova is the champion of Europe (2019) and the bronze medalist of the team world championship (2019).
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From: https://tass.ru/sport/7184809

SAPPORO / Japan /, November 23. / TASS /. The Russian Figure Skating Championship in Krasnoyarsk will be a special tournament for Sof'ya Samodurova. The athlete told reporters.

On Saturday, Samodurova performed her free program at the Grand Prix stage in Japan. By the sum of two programs, she scored 183.27 points.

"After returning from Japan, I will begin my preparations for the Russian championship, I will skate my programs. But before the trip to Krasnoyarsk I will have a start in Zagreb," said the figure skater.

Samodurova noted that the upcoming national championship will be a special start for her. “For me, this championship will be the most responsible start, because I myself am from Krasnoyarsk, so I will have a little more responsibility than the rest,” the athlete said.

The Russian Championship will be held from December 24 to 29.
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From: https://tass.ru/sport/7184833

Mishin: it is difficult for skaters without quadruples and triple axles to remain competitive

The trainer believes that even flawless and highly artistic skating without these elements does not allow you to be ahead

MOSCOW, November 23. / Corr. TASS Vladislav Zhukov. For figure skaters, in whose arsenal there are no jumps with four turns or triple axels, it will be difficult to maintain a leading position in the world. This opinion was shared with TASS by the Russian coach Alexey Mishin.

Currently, three skaters in the world are jumping quadruples - the Russians Aleksandra Trusova and Anna Shcherbakova, as well as Elisabet Tursynbayeva from Kazakhstan. Triple Axel's are done by Mishin's ward, Russian Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva, Japanese Rika Kihira, South Korean Yu Young and another Russian Alyona Kostornaya.

"I think that now, if we talk about Lisa [Tuktamysheva] and those strongest athletes who competed here [at the Grand Prix in Japan], then probably those who have a quadruple jump or at least a triple "Axel," have a clear outlook" said Mishin. “Because even flawless and highly artistic skating without these elements does not allow you to be ahead."

Mishin also summed up the performance of Tuktamysheva at the stages of the Grand Prix this season. The figure skater took third place at the stages in Las Vegas and Chongqing, China, and could not make it to the finals. Tuktamysheva's performances at both stages were accompanied by mixed judgments.

"Speaking of what happened in China, I must say that Lisa is distinguished by impeccable jump exits, while some of her rivals throughout their career wear a label of dubious under rotations," said Mishin. “But, of course, we all understand that it’s difficult to get into the finals by messing up in your short program twice. On the whole, our girls (Tuktamysheva and other ward of Mishin, Sof'ya Samodurova) have done great."
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From: https://tass.ru/sport/7185213

Mishin praised the performance of figure skater Samodurova in the current season of the Grand Prix

The Russian figure skater became fifth at the stage in China and the sixth at the stage in Japan

MOSCOW, November 23. / Corr. TASS Vladislav Zhukov. Coach of the European champion of the Russian figure skater Sofia Samodurova Alexey Mishin regards the result of the performance of his ward at the stages of the Grand Prix this season as positive. This was reported by TASS.

17-year-old Samodurova took part in the stages in China (fifth place) and Japan (sixth). These results did not allow her to qualify for the final of the series.

“By the way this season began, and also taking into account the dynamics of growing up, I positively assess Sonya’s performances at both stages,” Mishin said. “Here, at the stage in Japan, she did not have a single error, however, I believe that the biased assessment of “fully rotated - under rotated” deprived her of a real fourth place. The strictness of the judging of her jumps could be explained by the fact that the native walls were supposed to help Japanese women, who, in the opinion of many experts, were not quite rightly put above her. To go by cleanness of execution, she is just unique, and from the point of emotion and charisma - clear "five's".

This season was the second for Samodurova at senior level. Last season, she won Silver and Bronze at the stages of the Grand Prix and made it to the final of the series, where she became fifth. At the 2019 European Championships in Minsk, she won Gold, beating Olympic champion Alina Zagitova.
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From: https://tass.ru/sport/7185199

Ignoring the truth again and spilling sour grapes here?
 
Инна Гончаренко: «Загитовой не надо плака&

Inna Goncharenko: “There is no need for Zagitova to cry”

The Merited trainer of Russia has summed up the Grand Prix series in a visit to Sport Express.

All six stages of the Grand Prix series were won by the young wards of Eteri Tutberidze - Aleksandra Trusova, Anna Shcherbakova and Alyona Kostornaya. Alina Zagitova will also perform in the finals, Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva and Yevgeniya Medvyedeva demonstrated strong performances. Inna Goncharenko, a well-known Russian specialist, summed up the results of the series and evaluated the prospects of Russian figure skaters ahead of the Russian championship.

Youtube video interview: https://youtu.be/bnEVJgM290I

The results of Kostornaya do not write off Trusova at all

- How to evaluate the results of the Grand Prix series? Six out of six victories in Russia are the first in history.

IG: I want to congratulate everyone on the excellent outcome for us - four girls in the final. This is a real achievement. Alyona Kostornaya at the last stage presented us with a figure skating holiday. Just beautiful and smart. It was psychologically very difficult for her - to start after all rivals is always associated with pressure. When at the warm-up she fell from the axel, I got nervous. But in the end, everything went well, the coaching staff managed to set her up and bring her to the tournament. The blot on the second axel did not spoil the impression.

Knowing the group of Tutberidze, I think that the result of Alyona do not write Trusova off the list. Everyone there understands that a triple Axel gives a maximum score in a short program. Sasha has a beautiful Toeloop and Lutz. I don’t think that the Axel is a huge problem for her.

- She even showed it very recently in training

IG: I felt that this would come. But I’m not sure that the triple Axel is needed right now. This girl loves to be a winner, she does not like the second or third roles. So everything is logical. The next question is who will jump this Axel more beautiful. Alyona's is now the best.

- At the stage in Japan, a lot of experiences of trial were associated with Alina Zagitova ...

IG: Definitely. When she went to the start, it was clear that she was strained. In Japan, the audience seriously affects you. She tried to shut herself off from it, but it was difficult. She also burst into tears after her short ... She did not need to cry. Alina is already an experienced athlete, should any rigidity appear. This is not the reason. If you have already decided to cascade and cling to a flip jump, then why is it that you crawl so quietly to it? But in the free program she came out as an iron lady. Here she had to anger herself, which she basically did.

Maybe someone should skip the European Championship for Worlds I am a bit undecided how to interpret, mira meaning either world or peace, i.e. maintaining peace in the national selection?

- Another of our athletes, Yevgeniya Medvyedeva, did not make it to the finals, but she left the impression of good skating run in Moscow. Can this be called a return?

IG: Probably everyone was worried about Zhenya because of her failure. She really added something and showed real skating. She kept her nerves, mesmerised and performed, albeit without super-complex elements, did everything neatly. Yes, mathematics gave Trusova the victory due to her advantage in tech. Many even asked me: how so, she fell twice and still won? Indeed, there were significant errors, but she currently has a margin of difficulty. Nevertheless, Yevgeniya’s program was more complete. And she moved away from the Lutz rightly. Bet on your strengths.

- It turns out that Brian Orser was right when speaking about a year and a half to return? Many were skeptic about his positive statements.

IG: We just have this mentality such that we restrain our evaluations. Should he tell, how bad his athlete is? He is a positive person himself. But self-promotion needs a place.

- About the Championship of Russia. Trusova and Kostornaya seem to be the current leaders, Shcherbakova, Medvyedeva, Zagitova and Tuktamysheva will fight for third place. You agree with this vision?

IG: Yes, it seems like this. But there can always be surprises in such a tournament. By the New Year, tension and fatigue are accumulating. Medvyedeva and Zagitova have less complicated programs, and they should be impeccable, performed with skill, class.

- Given the high competition, should different figure skaters go to the European and World Championships as the third participant?

IG: You see, athletes must be protected. They are not machines, it’s impossible to jump quads all season. You need to understand what the main start is, and then the coach and the federation, knowing the whole situation, can make a decision. Maybe someone should skip the European Championship in favour of the World Championships.

This one group of Tutberidze cannot represent the whole country

- Simultaneously with the seniors Grand Prix finals, the junior one will be held. At this level, Tutberidze's pupils already have rivals from other schools. Can their hegemony end?

IG: In Russia, there are a lot of athletes and ambitious coaches. It’s gorgeous that we have this group of Tutberidze. But one trainer cannot represent our huge country. This is utopia and wrong. Such monopolies have never led to anything good - sooner or later, reassurance comes. Competition is always better.

- Do you see the prerequisites for the current boom in figure skating in Russia to fade out?

IG: We generally have a long winter, (new) rinks are already opening, they are now with good ice. The boom of figure skating really pulls young people, families into the street. This is great, because it really helps people become healthier, more athletic. I hope this will last for a long time.
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From: https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...a-evgeniya-medvedeva-mnenie-eksperta-1614337/

The whole interview should be transcribed and discussed.
 
I don't think that Alina should leave Eteri, but I also don't think she should stay just because Eteri was nice to her. Alina should do what's best for Alina. If she feels in that staying with Eteri is best for her, she should stay, not because she feels she owes Eteri. And if, in the future, she feels that leaving would be best for her, she should leave.
All fair points. But Alina isn't leaving her coach for a myriad because when skaters leave this coach their scores go way down.
Inna Goncharenko's interview

- Skaters aren't as good as machines. You cannot jump quads all the year around.
Someone better to skip EC if planning to go to WC.

(my own thoughts excactly)

- Nice to have TeamTutberidze but this only school cannot stay for the whole country. It's counterproductive. Sooner or later the serenity will rest on laurels.
Yeah try telling 3A or their coach why one or all of them should skip Europeans. Lol
Uhoh... That's not gonna be popular!

I do hope that Russian ladies don't end up being all Eteri all the time, but if they're the best what can you do?

Like you said the most deserving need to go. Then there is a slight drop off to Alina who has to be ready to go if one of her teammates cannot make a major competition for some reason.

How did Sofia do at NHK?
 
I don't think that Alina should leave Eteri, but I also don't think she should stay just because Eteri was nice to her. Alina should do what's best for Alina. If she feels in that staying with Eteri is best for her, she should stay, not because she feels she owes Eteri. And if, in the future, she feels that leaving would be best for her, she should leave.

Inna Goncharenko's interview

- Skaters aren't as good as machines. You cannot jump quads all the year around.
Someone better to skip EC if planning to go to WC.

(my own thoughts excactly)

- Nice to have TeamTutberidze but this only school cannot stay for the whole country. It's counterproductive. Sooner or later the serenity will rest on laurels.

Trying to catch up with all the press:

Figure skater Samodurova shocked by low ratings for performance at the Grand Prix in Sapporo

The athlete and her coach do not understand the judges' marks for the free program

SAPPORO / Japan /, November 23. / Corr. TASS Veronika Sovyetova. Russian figure skater Sof'ya Samodurova is shocked at the low score for performing in the free program at the Grand Prix stage in Sapporo, Japan. The athlete told reporters after the percance.

The athlete received 119.42 points, in the sum of two programs - 183.27.

“Of course, I would argue over the score. But from this stage I came to the conclusion that you have to endure pain and fight, and this is my new experience and my new knowledge. I am satisfied with my skating run, and my coach is satisfied, but we simply don’t understand the judges, Alexey Nikolayevich [Mishin] is in shock", Samodurova emphasised.

The athlete said that she was pissed off by reactions to a message about sinusitis postponed from before the Grand Prix stage, about which Samodurova told TASS on Friday after a short program: “I had pain through today, but now I don’t want to talk about it. After I told about their sinusitis, many began to write: “why do athletes talk about their illnesses only after unsuccessful skating runs?” This hurt me, so I won’t tell no more about being ill.”

When asked by TASS why the athlete was studying publications before her performances, Samodurova replied: “This doesn’t bother me at all, I don’t pay attention to it. I just concluded that I wouldn’t talk about my health anymore. I was even motivated and angry by this attitude.”

Samodurova is the champion of Europe (2019) and the bronze medalist of the team world championship (2019).
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From: https://tass.ru/sport/7184809

SAPPORO / Japan /, November 23. / TASS /. The Russian Figure Skating Championship in Krasnoyarsk will be a special tournament for Sof'ya Samodurova. The athlete told reporters.

On Saturday, Samodurova performed her free program at the Grand Prix stage in Japan. By the sum of two programs, she scored 183.27 points.

"After returning from Japan, I will begin my preparations for the Russian championship, I will skate my programs. But before the trip to Krasnoyarsk I will have a start in Zagreb," said the figure skater.

Samodurova noted that the upcoming national championship will be a special start for her. “For me, this championship will be the most responsible start, because I myself am from Krasnoyarsk, so I will have a little more responsibility than the rest,” the athlete said.

The Russian Championship will be held from December 24 to 29.
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From: https://tass.ru/sport/7184833

Mishin: it is difficult for skaters without quadruples and triple axles to remain competitive

The trainer believes that even flawless and highly artistic skating without these elements does not allow you to be ahead

MOSCOW, November 23. / Corr. TASS Vladislav Zhukov. For figure skaters, in whose arsenal there are no jumps with four turns or triple axels, it will be difficult to maintain a leading position in the world. This opinion was shared with TASS by the Russian coach Alexey Mishin.

Currently, three skaters in the world are jumping quadruples - the Russians Aleksandra Trusova and Anna Shcherbakova, as well as Elisabet Tursynbayeva from Kazakhstan. Triple Axel's are done by Mishin's ward, Russian Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva, Japanese Rika Kihira, South Korean Yu Young and another Russian Alyona Kostornaya.

"I think that now, if we talk about Lisa [Tuktamysheva] and those strongest athletes who competed here [at the Grand Prix in Japan], then probably those who have a quadruple jump or at least a triple "Axel," have a clear outlook" said Mishin. “Because even flawless and highly artistic skating without these elements does not allow you to be ahead."

Mishin also summed up the performance of Tuktamysheva at the stages of the Grand Prix this season. The figure skater took third place at the stages in Las Vegas and Chongqing, China, and could not make it to the finals. Tuktamysheva's performances at both stages were accompanied by mixed judgments.

"Speaking of what happened in China, I must say that Lisa is distinguished by impeccable jump exits, while some of her rivals throughout their career wear a label of dubious under rotations," said Mishin. “But, of course, we all understand that it’s difficult to get into the finals by messing up in your short program twice. On the whole, our girls (Tuktamysheva and other ward of Mishin, Sof'ya Samodurova) have done great."
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From: https://tass.ru/sport/7185213

Mishin praised the performance of figure skater Samodurova in the current season of the Grand Prix

The Russian figure skater became fifth at the stage in China and the sixth at the stage in Japan

MOSCOW, November 23. / Corr. TASS Vladislav Zhukov. Coach of the European champion of the Russian figure skater Sofia Samodurova Alexey Mishin regards the result of the performance of his ward at the stages of the Grand Prix this season as positive. This was reported by TASS.

17-year-old Samodurova took part in the stages in China (fifth place) and Japan (sixth). These results did not allow her to qualify for the final of the series.

“By the way this season began, and also taking into account the dynamics of growing up, I positively assess Sonya’s performances at both stages,” Mishin said. “Here, at the stage in Japan, she did not have a single error, however, I believe that the biased assessment of “fully rotated - under rotated” deprived her of a real fourth place. The strictness of the judging of her jumps could be explained by the fact that the native walls were supposed to help Japanese women, who, in the opinion of many experts, were not quite rightly put above her. To go by cleanness of execution, she is just unique, and from the point of emotion and charisma - clear "five's".

This season was the second for Samodurova at senior level. Last season, she won Silver and Bronze at the stages of the Grand Prix and made it to the final of the series, where she became fifth. At the 2019 European Championships in Minsk, she won Gold, beating Olympic champion Alina Zagitova.
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From: https://tass.ru/sport/7185199

Ignoring the truth again and spilling sour grapes here?

Sorry SS got low-balled again. This happened at Worlds too. For her to watch 4A get such high scores and get treated like gold by the judges their entire careers and deservedly so sofia must be pulling her hair out at this point getting low balls like she does when she skates so well and clean. No one is saying she should be scoring as high as Eteris angels or Rika. But 183? Not right.
 
As much as I appreciate Sofia’s charisma on the ice and her improvement from test skates while dealing with puberty, we have to admit that her jumps are even lower than last season and do not achieve many of the +GOE bullets. Good height and distance? No. Good body position? Effortless? Creative entries? No. Elements matches the music - sometimes.
 
As much as I appreciate Sofia’s charisma on the ice and her improvement from test skates while dealing with puberty, we have to admit that her jumps are even lower than last season and do not achieve many of the +GOE bullets. Good height and distance? No. Good body position? Effortless? Creative entries? No. Elements matches the music - sometimes.

Write more about this please. Can I start to appreciate it? Charisma on ice is Sofia's main problem. She very rarely shows it. Now I can only remember once.

This does not take away the fact that she was robbed.
 
Ignoring the truth again and spilling sour grapes here?

I don't think so. Sofia looked not impressive during the test skates. She has done some serious work since then. And she was lowballed big time same as Liza was lowballed before. Mishin says nothing about Sofia's not getting to the podium - he says that she had to be fourth ahead of the two Japanese. And I agree with him.

Yuhana Yokoi was one of least impressive skaters as seen from the stands in Moscow. Yes, her landings look solid but she fell in the short program and did just 5 triples in the free program.

Mako's landings are hardly better than Sofia's - it's always a hook in replay. She did 6 triples vs. Sofia's 7.

Both of them getting ahead of Sofia is injustice for me - sour grapes for others. Nothing new under the sun.
 
Write more about this please. Can I start to appreciate it? Charisma on ice is Sofia's main problem. She very rarely shows it. Now I can only remember once.

This does not take away the fact that she was robbed.

I think she has it, she showed last season in Grand Prix and at Europeans and even before in Juniors.

This season though, they had to recover the jumps and the form she had last season so the artistry felt a bit compromised. Still it's hard for me to understand such difference in scores compared to last season despite the most recent performances were on the same level.

To me this is again a result of judging unable to reward all the russian skaters to let that competition exist, so the third skater at GP events tend to get screwed in scores.
 
I think she has it, she showed last season in Grand Prix and at Europeans and even before in Juniors.

This season though, they had to recover the jumps and the form she had last season so the artistry felt a bit compromised. Still it's hard for me to understand such difference in scores compared to last season despite the most recent performances were on the same level.

To me this is again a result of judging unable to reward all the russian skaters to let that competition exist, so the third skater at GP events tend to get screwed in scores.

To me SS has plenty of charisma and charm.
 
It's pretty much likely three first of RusNats will go for Worlds.
But not necessarily to Europs.

It will be a shame if that will happen.

And what if that "not first three" girl will win Euro? Will she go to Worlds too, because "omg, she's the best rn"? We had enough last season, thank you.

I hope Eteri will protect her girls at all cost if shady stuff will be there. I'm worried about Anna, she is the most vulnerable at the moment.
 
I think RusFed could make the selections like Japan did last year. 1-2-4 goes to Europeans (in Japan's case 4CC), and 1-2-3 to Worlds?

But given that most likely it's one of Alina, Zhenya and Liza who will end up in 4th place, I'm not sure they would want that 'consolation prize'. They have all won Euros before after all. Their goal is making Worlds.
But if one of 3A goes down to 4th place and one of the 'older' ones manages to climb on the podium, I could imagine this scenario.
 
I think it would be smart to send top 3 to Euros and if one of them falters, just have them battle off the Worlds spot at Cup Final with 4th and 5th finishers similar to last year. One of the reasons why Russia can't use Japan's method is because this year the top 5 or so skaters are pretty close to each other and there is a possibility that the 4th place finisher at RusNats may win Euros or finish with a very good result and there could be some controversy if they're not sent to Worlds.
 
Or send Tutberidze's Terrific Trio to both Worlds and Euros and bench the others. Compared to GPF, Nationals and Worlds, Euros should be a piece of cake, total domination and a nice occasion to try something different.
But with Russian winter's flu epidemics among school age children and youths, one never knows if the skaters stay immune and 100% fit all the time.

According to ISU's SB list, only two Europeans were capable of breaking 200: http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/pbslto.htm

In any case, it is 5 Sambo-70 skaters and one Sankt Peterburg ...

There is no continental European figure skating organisation? ISU is in charge over Europeans, perhaps they might object? The country individual federations can just look on in amazement, and perhaps some envy and anger.
 
Who went to RUSNAT and by what criteria

Qualified as Grand Prix Participants
1 Alena Kostornaya
2 Alexandra Trusova
3 Anna Shcherbakova
4 Alina Zagitova
5 Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
6 Evgenia Medvedeva
7 Sofya Samodurova
8 Serafima Sakhanovich
9 Stanislava Konstantinova
10 Maria Sotskova

Passed the selection as participants in the Grand Prix Finals among juniors (over 14 years old)
1 Victoria Vasilieva
2 Ksenia Sinitsyna

Passed the selection according to the results of the Cup of Russia:
1. Ksenia Tsibinova
2. Anastasia Tarakanova
3. Elizabeth Nugumanova
4. Anastasia Gubanova
5. Anna Frolova
6. Valeria Shulskaya

Forward to the Victory!!!!!!!
 
Who went to RUSNAT and by what criteria

Qualified as Grand Prix Participants
1 Alena Kostornaya
2 Alexandra Trusova
3 Anna Shcherbakova
4 Alina Zagitova
5 Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
6 Evgenia Medvedeva
7 Sofya Samodurova
8 Serafima Sakhanovich
9 Stanislava Konstantinova
10 Maria Sotskova

Passed the selection as participants in the Grand Prix Finals among juniors (over 14 years old)
1 Victoria Vasilieva
2 Ksenia Sinitsyna

Passed the selection according to the results of the Cup of Russia:
1. Ksenia Tsibinova
2. Anastasia Tarakanova
3. Elizabeth Nugumanova
4. Anastasia Gubanova
5. Anna Frolova
6. Valeria Shulskaya

Forward to the Victory!!!!!!!

Okay so just for fun, I counted their average age: 16.8 years old :shocked: It is really a teen sport.

The oldest participants are Liza Tuktik (23) and Zhenya (20), and the youngest is Anna Frolova (14).

Apart from them we have six 15, two 16, four 17, and three 19 year-olds.
 
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