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I get this feeling that this season will have rivalry between S&Z's lyricism to S&S's bravura. Whatever style one likes, the judges will choose the team with zero faults. Not unlike SLC.
Joe
Joe
I get this feeling that this season will have rivalry between S&Z's lyricism to S&S's bravura. Whatever style one likes, the judges will choose the team with zero faults. Not unlike SLC.
Joe
Well then, no rivalry. Too bad.Shen/Zhou are not competing this season. In fact they are pretty much retired.
Well then, no rivalry. Too bad.
I get this feeling that this season will have rivalry between S&Z's lyricism to S&S's bravura. Whatever style one likes, the judges will choose the team with zero faults. Not unlike SLC.
Joe
SLC? That was crooked as hell and the original decision went with the couple that had a mistake!!
Ant
I guess if you are of the school that skaters are unable to improve then S/S are doomed. But then how do you explain how S&Z improved after getting a bronze gift at SLC?I suppose but S/S so far lack the consistency to seriously rival a team as great as S/Z.
That was my point.SLC? That was crooked as hell and the original decision went with the couple that had a mistake!!
I guess if you are of the school that skaters are unable to improve then S/S are doomed. But then how do you explain how S&Z improved after getting a bronze gift at SLC?
ITA. IN SLC T&M had decent technical content, but their artistry was non-existent. That - they acquired later on, with Vasiliev and world class choreographers.I don't think Shen & Zhao got a bronze gift in SLC. Totmianina & Marinin were in fourth and deservedly so - i don't think they did anything to merit moving past Shen & Zhao in the free, Kyoko & Ina were 5th and they certaintly did not skate well enough to move into third in the FS
I don't think Shen & Zhao got a bronze gift in SLC. Totmianina & Marinin were in fourth and deservedly so - i don't think they did anything to merit moving past Shen & Zhao in the free, Kyoko & Ina were 5th and they certaintly did not skate well enough to move into third in the FS - their skating skills alone were not good enough to move above Totmianina & Marinin or Shen & Zhao.
Ant
I agree. Shen Zhou had a wobbly outing, but Totmianina and Marinin did not have a good performance that night either. Ina and Zimmerman skated well but they simply dont have the basics and technical strength of the other 2 teams. I agreed with the placements of everyone, other then debating the first 2.
I&Z had that magic touch of Moskvina. Thinking about that competition, I hardly believe T&M were actually there. I reiterate, S&Z got the gift of bronze and don't forget the rumor about the scandal.
Joe
Joe, here are the marks from SLC pairs free - http://www.icecalc.com/events/owg2002/results/SEG006.HTM. ALL the judges put S&Z in 3d. It was indeed close (5:4) between T&M and I&Z, which is understandable as the former were technically stronger but the latter more exciting. The most "off" judges were Canada and Russia - Lavoie putting T&M in 7th, and Sanaya put I&Z in 6th.If the Chinese Judge would give B&S a gold vote, the Russian judge would give S&Z a bronze vote. This was a security measure.
S&Z did not have a lock on the bronze in SLC. They were an up and coming Pairs team that looked good for the future. Big throws and that's all.
If the Chinese Judge would give B&S a gold vote, the Russian judge would give S&Z a bronze vote. This was a security measure.
And it was only a rumour going around at the time.
Joe
The truth of the matter is, it is likely there was such a deal. Chinese federation might have been unsure about S&Z, and could want shoring up; it could well agree to support the Russian team in return for Russians voting for S&Z over T&M. However, even if there were such a deal, it was not necessary - on that night, S&Z skated to a very solid bronze.Thanks Ptichka. I never did look at the scores. just read the rumor.