Should ISU take a stance on Yagudin's insults against other athletes?
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There are 2 ways to get arrested or in any way harmed for speech in Russia:
1. being a politician.
2. Trying very hard to get arrested (like ***** Riot did).
overwise millions of Russians who are openly stating opinions against Putin are doing fine.
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what derailing ? this thread is political by default.
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What's interesting to me is that originally when people commented on his post disagreeing with him he didn't seem apologetic at all.
At least it is an apology though - I won't forgive him but I won't view him as quite a bad person.
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are you serious?
If you actually take United Nations human rights body seriously, lets end this discussion right here.
p.s BTW in less than a month, laws of Russian federation will officially overrule any international law
There really is no point in debating with someone who flat out denies reality. I've realized there was no discussion to begin with.
let wait until his post gets translated from Russian
especially this part:
Yeah there is this comment below his apology which i think is the perfect response to that
"Я думаю Алексей вы плохо понимаете, кто такие транссексуалы. Прожив 16 лет заграницей, 10 из которых в Канаде и зная некоторых представителей этих сексуальных меньшинств, я могу сказать, что они этот путь НЕ выбирают. "Они не проснулись с утра с мыслью о том, а не стать ли мне трансом?", ещё как правило, у этих людей есть огромное количество психологических проблем, с которыми они сами справиться не могут! И далеко не у всех есть деньги, чтобы позволись себе дорогостоющую помощь психологов! Для этого и создаются такие фонды. Исходя из ваших слов в этом видео вы говорите о том, что это пропананда. Нет это не пропаганда - это такой-же фонд помощи как и все другие. На этом фонде нет картинок рассказывающих, чем они занимаются в постели. И если они не такие как вы, значит они не люди???"
Translation:
"I think you have a poor understanding of who transsexuals are. Having lived abroad for 16 years, 10 of them in Canada, and knowing some of these sexual minorities, I can say that they DO not choose this path. "They did not Wake up in the morning with the thought of whether I should become a trans?", as a rule, these people have a huge number of psychological problems that they themselves can not cope with! And not everyone has the money to afford the expensive help of psychologists! This is why such funds are created. Based on your words in this video, you say that this is propaganda. No, this is not propaganda - this is the same aid Fund as all others. There are no pictures on this Fund telling what they do in bed. And if they are not like you, then they are not human??? "
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Tarasova's achievements:
Oksana Grishuk / Evgeni Platov. Led them to win 1997 World Championship and an Olympic gold medal in 1998.
Natalia Bestemianova / Andrei Bukin. Led them to four World Championships and the Olympic gold medal in 1988.
Marina Klimova / Sergey Ponomarenko. Led them to 1992 World Championships and the Olympic gold medal.
Ilia Kulik. Was also his choreographer. Led him to win the Olympic gold medal in 1998.
Irina Rodnina / Alexander Zaitsev. Led them to win four World Championships 1975-1978 and two Olympic gold medals in 1976 and 1980.
Alexei Yagudin. Coached and choreographed him from 1998 to his retirement in 2003. Led him to three World Championships and an Olympic gold medal in 2002.
Shizuka Arakawa. Led her to win the World Championships in 2004 and Olympic gold medal in 2006 together with Nikolai Morozov.
That's a great resume for Tatiana. But Alexei was her greatest success because of the mens discipline.
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Reality is that there is no legal basis to prosecute Yagudin in Russia. Ironically, neither in the USA.
another reality is that, no one cares what UN says, especially Russia.
If you believe overwise,sue Yagudin any time you want in Russian courts for breaking UN/EU laws, that will be fun to watch
Racism/homophobia/Sexism not being an opinion may be reality in EU or to United nations human rights council, but Yagudin doesn't live on a territory where any of these bodies have any power.
goodbye
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Reality is that there is no legal basis to prosecute Yagudin in Russia. Ironically, neither in the USA.
another reality is that, no one cares what UN says, especially Russia.
If you believe overwise,sue Yagudin any time you want in Russian courts for breaking UN/EU laws, that will be fun to watch
Racism/homophobia/Sexism not being an opinion may be reality in EU or to United nations human rights council, but Yagudin doesn't live on a territory where any of these bodies have any power.
goodbye
More to the point I doubt anybody with any influence would waste time interfering with such a small thing.
It's down to the sport governing body and the media.
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Plenty of people in Russia say bad things about our president or government and live happily. If you can't read opposition media in Russian, look at the political cartoons by the cartoonist living in Russia https://www.google.com/search?q=елк...URiYsKHbElAgcQ_AUoAXoECAwQAw&biw=1920&bih=937
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Now that he has apologized is it all good? This Thread has gotten a little wild.
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You guys lost your minds when David Pellitier said they could take a bathroom break for the first 2 minutes of Alina's program. Like seriously lost your minds. And by the way this always said more about his not appreciating good spinning and footwork rather than anything to do with him being anti Alina.
And yet Yagudin can say this about Adam and it is all "free speech" and "let people have opinions".
He is free to say whatever he wants. He is not free from the consequences of his speech.
I will say this: If a Canadian person I formerly admired and respected spoke this way I would want them removed from the airwaves of the CBC (and they would be) and I would no longer be a fan. If this was Kurt I would probably be really sad and angry but I would want him removed from tv.
His comments reflect very negatively on him to me. If he was coaching my child I would immediately remove my child from his sphere of influence.
And yet Yagudin can say this about Adam and it is all "free speech" and "let people have opinions".
He is free to say whatever he wants. He is not free from the consequences of his speech.
I will say this: If a Canadian person I formerly admired and respected spoke this way I would want them removed from the airwaves of the CBC (and they would be) and I would no longer be a fan. If this was Kurt I would probably be really sad and angry but I would want him removed from tv.
His comments reflect very negatively on him to me. If he was coaching my child I would immediately remove my child from his sphere of influence.
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Not as high up as Alexi but obviously very good.Ilia Kulik?
I didn't know Russians had the freedom of speech that we in America have. That's good to know. I thought if you want against Vladimir that meant the gulag.
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He won the 2002 Olympics fair and square.
The fact that he won the Olympics and has used his clout and stature to make disparaging, and even homophobic, comments about other skaters is deplorable. So gross.
I had no idea he said these things, and frankly he's cancelled in my books.
Also, Jason Brown can do so many things better than Yagudin ever could. And it's not like Yagudin would have held up these days without multiple quads.
The fact that he won the Olympics and has used his clout and stature to make disparaging, and even homophobic, comments about other skaters is deplorable. So gross.
I had no idea he said these things, and frankly he's cancelled in my books.
Also, Jason Brown can do so many things better than Yagudin ever could. And it's not like Yagudin would have held up these days without multiple quads.
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Agreed and i was one of many who criticized CBC commentary in that occasion, cause i thought it was a little unprofessional, but that was absolutely nothing compared to this.
I guess we lost the thread somewhere. It's not "just an opinion" to say a person deserves death. Yagudin is a public figure. Not "Ivan or Maria". I dislike whataboutism, but ancientpeas has it exactly right with what she said, re: Pelletier on Zagitova, and Russian comments on it. They wanted the entire team gone because they were obviously Russophobic. But saying Channel One should maaaaaaaaaybe consider firing Yagudin for being homophobic which he and others even acknowledge he is and wishing someone were dead, it's apparently a protected constitutional right to be that way. I'm not sure it's the extolment of Russia people believe it is.
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I have never seen a single user here say that a Russian skater should die. And if we saw it and it was reported that person would have been severely punished.
The lack of understanding of the concept of freedom of speech is far reaching and it is often an ideal that it used to protect speech we agree with but others find offensive and forgotten when what has been said offends us.
There are limits on free speech. There have always been limits on free speech. For example in the U.S. you can not yell fire in a crowded theater (and other such examples) because such speech is inflammatory and might cause real damage to the public. Also, private companies can punish employees for their speech because most of us sign employment contracts that do not allow for hate speech. Here in Canada we have laws against denying the holocaust and hate speech toward protected groups. All of these laws work against the concept of absolute free speech.
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