2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[*~RussianBleux~*]

I think the way you're saying it makes it sound worse than it was implied in the post.
I don't know how they organized the training sessions... was it only seniors on one sesion or juniors and seniors together o some other combination? But maybe what Aliona asked from them wasn't not to share ice with specific skaters, just less skaters; get more individual attention from the coaches.

Exactly. As with past situations involving Eteri, I believe the truth is somewhere in between. Do I think Eteri is so heinous as to make up flat out lies in order to bash former students? No. But exaggeration in order to control the narrative certainly. I suspect this “persona non grata list” was something more like Alyona was struggling at the camp. Maybe her triksel did not come back and she wasn’t showing improvement, meanwhile maybe someone else gained a triksel or another quad. She voices that she can’t help but feel uneasy and distracted by her challenges compared to others and cites these skaters. Perhaps she asked if there was anything that could be done and Eteri said no because this isn’t their system. This turned into “persona non grata” when it was more convenient for Eteri.

So sure I can believe something was said about other skaters but I do not believe these girls are all going from pleasant hardworking angels to entitled demanding monsters over night.

 

[Baron Vladimir]

Rozanov does bring some confidence, you can leave the team but still keeping similar training process.

I don't think this exodus would have been possible without him cause we saw what it means leaving Eteri for more "relaxing" coaches.

Also worth noting Rozanov was credited on the improvements all these girls made on the 3A, while if you remember before he joined Sambo70, all Eteri students used to have a bad axel technique.

I'm very curious what that means for their current skaters, cause their juniors all have a big 2a and could honestly go for the triple.

Rozanov being a motive doesn't make sense to me either. Plushenko, Orser, Petrenko and many others know more about 3A than Rozanov for sure. As they know many other stuffs about figure skating too.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

https://www.sportsdaily.ru/articles/medvedeva-sleduyushhaya-top-figuristka-plyushhenko

They're saying Zhenya is moving to Pluschenko, what??

 

[Tolstoj]

That argument doesn't make sense to me either. Plushenko, Orser, Petrenko and many others know more about 3A than Rozanov for sure.

I mean Dudakov wasn't even a top competitive athlete and yet he brought girls to land quads, you can study to become a coach, it's not just learning from experience even though that helps for sure.

On the actual reason Tutberidze mentioned, i think it's interesting cause it does look like these girls are aware they are the best skaters in the world, and all the coaches in the world would love to have them in their group, and that might weaken Tutberidze leadership role a little. At a certain point, i feel like you have to nurture the top athlete, it's not just another student at the rink.

But part of me wonders how much of this is political, after seeing Tatiana Navka defending Plushenko and accusing Eteri last year and she is quite powerful as Peskov's wife. Maybe that's just a feeling, there's no evidence of that after all.

 

[Mathman]

Do I think Eteri is so heinous as to make up flat out lies in order to bash former students? No. But exaggeration in order to control the narrative certainly.

But why would Eteri care about controlling any narratives, much less "exaggerating" in order to do so.

Her job is to coach figure skaters, not to control narratives.

All she had to say is, "Bye Aliona, I have enjoyed our collaboration, good luck." Why make it into a soap opera?

(They all should let me write their press releases. Plushenko: "I look forward to working with such a talented athlete who has benefitted from outstanding coaching throughout her career. I hope to take her to the next level." :yes: )

 

[Baron Vladimir]

I mean Dudakov wasn't even a top competitive athlete and yet he brought girls to land quads, you can study to become a coach, it's not just learning from experience.

On the actual reason Tutberidze mentioned, i think it's interesting cause it does look like these girls are aware they are the best skaters in the world, and all the coaches in the world would love to have them in their group, and that might weaken Tutberidze leadership role a little. At a certain point, i feel like you have to nurture the top athlete, it's not just another student at the rink.

I am not sure 'nurturing' is what athletes want at that age. As we can see on Zhenya and Alina cases. As you can ask any other 16 or 17 or 18 y.o. person in the world. It's more commonly about their own decision than the coaches one. And people at that age want to earn money if they think they can, there is nothing wrong in that. Navka's shows certainly brought some money to Alina, for example. Like the many others shows, sponsorship and commercials she is involved in. But it is Alina herself who did all of that, by being an Olympic champion.

 

[Jontor]

But why would Eteri care about controlling any narratives, much less "exaggerating" in order to do so.

Her job is to coach figure skaters, not to control narratives.

All she had to say is, "Bye Aliona, I have enjoyed our collaboration, good luck." Why make it into a soap opera?

(They all should let me write their press releases. Plushenko: "I look forward to working with such a talented athlete who has benefitted from outstanding coaching throughout her career. I hope to take her to the next level." :yes: )

LOL! Agree. But I think we forget sometimes that Russians may have a bit of a more direct way of speaking.

 

[Supernovaimplosion]

That is actually the main thing that sounds the most fishy to me. Could it really be true, as was reported in the first Instagram post, that Aliona presented Eteri with a "skaters I hate" list and an ultimatum that they would all have to be kept off the ice so that Aliona could skate by?

I have a hard time wrapping my mind around that scenario. But if it were not true, then why would Eteri say that it is?

I'm confused about it, because why would alena give a list of people she didnt want to work with if she knew she was leaving anyway??

 

[Tolstoj]

I am not sure 'nurturing' is what athletes want at that age. As we can see on Zhenya and Alina cases. As you can ask any other 16 or 17 y.o. person in the world. It's more commonly about their own decision than the coaches one. And people at that age want to earn money if they think they could, there is nothing wrong in that. Navka's shows certainly brought some money to Alina.

Girls i don't know, Boys yes some need that. Yagudin definitely needed a more caring coach and he found one in Tarasova.

It's interesting the article posted above list the supposed formation:

Plushenko - Trusova main coach but he'll be there for Kostornaya as well.

Rozanov - Kostornaya and Zhilina.

Volkov - Konstantinova, Ryabova.

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

But why would Eteri care about controlling any narratives, much less "exaggerating" in order to do so.

Her job is to coach figure skaters, not to control narratives.

All she had to say is, "Bye Aliona, I have enjoyed our collaboration, good luck." Why make it into a soap opera?

(They all should let me write their press releases. Plushenko: "I look forward to working with such a talented athlete who has benefitted from outstanding coaching throughout her career. I hope to take her to the next level." :yes: )

Ask the same question assuming the “persona non grata” list was true. Why does she need to say anything either way? Your statement still applies.

 

[brakes]

Yulia liked Eteri's post, which means a lot. She knows Eteri's not lying and never has been.
And there was no more happiness-pain, love-anger, success-disappointment, etc. than between these two.

It's not her style to involve in public debate, but I imagine Yulia writing a letter to all Tutberidze's students containing three words: STAY, WORK, WIN.

 

[Baron Vladimir]

Girls i don't know, Boys yes some need that. Yagudin definitely needed a more caring coach and he found one in Tarasova.

Yes, we males need 'it' for a little bit longer, according to the biology. And if we have an Oedipus thing as Yagudin we need it for a longer more, according to Freud From the things she was saying, Eteri knows that very well. And i understand her, she just doesn't want to be a 'mother' to anyone.. else.. cause she already is to her daughter.. which is opposite of Tarasova situation..

 

[fabienne1996]

Yulia liked Eteri's post, which means a lot. She knows Eteri's not lying and never has been.
And there was no more happiness-pain, love-anger, success-disappointment, etc. than between these two.

It's not her style to involve in public debate, but I imagine Yulia writing a letter to all Tutberidze's students containing three words: STAY, WORK, WIN.

Yulia also liked comments about how eteri always blames the girls, and the children. And she liked a comment where soemone posted why eteri feels the need to drag soemone who left her years ago and just gave birth a month ago and is actually happy and doesnt even have anything to do with eteri anymore so suffice to say yulia is also not happy about eteri dragging her name into this once again, neither is zhenya for that matter which is completely understandable, because there was absolutely no need whatsoever to drag yulia and zhenyas name into itmonce again. Eteri could have written it was a shock and she didnt know alyona wanted to leave and that their cooperation is over end of statement. Everything the public needs to know would have been said in this statement.somehow she seems to have the pathetic need to drag her ex students name into the mud whenever she gets the chance

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[Mathman]

Ask the same question assuming the “persona non grata” list was true. Why does she need to say anything either way? Your statement still applies.

Yes, I agree. If the persona non grata list is true, then my conclusion remains the same. Eteri should just say in private to Aliona, "I have to treat all my students fairly," and in public say, "I wish Aliona good luck in her future endeavors."

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Yulia liked Eteri's post, which means a lot. She knows Eteri's not lying and never has been.
And there was no more happiness-pain, love-anger, success-disappointment, etc. than between these two.

It's not her style to involve in public debate, but I imagine Yulia writing a letter to all Tutberidze's students containing three words: STAY, WORK, WIN.

Yulia liked it ironically, she liked comments saying bad things about Eteri too.

 

[el henry]

But why would Eteri care about controlling any narratives, much less "exaggerating" in order to do so.

Her job is to coach figure skaters, not to control narratives.

All she had to say is, "Bye Aliona, I have enjoyed our collaboration, good luck." Why make it into a soap opera?

(They all should let me write their press releases. Plushenko: "I look forward to working with such a talented athlete who has benefitted from outstanding coaching throughout her career. I hope to take her to the next level." :yes: )

Let's open up a PR shop.

Skater leaves a coach. I don't care why or how skater left the coach. Coach says "I am no longer working with Skater X. I understand she is working with Coach Y/looking at other options/whatever. I wish her well." Period, Full Stop, End of Sentence. I'll charge money to supply that sentence every time it happens.

Of course, anyone has ever taught or coached a child knows already that this is the adult response. But I'll take their money to supply it

 

[Amei]

Eteri worshippers will always defend her, no matter what...

I'm by no means an Eteri fan, and have criticized her inability to refrain from personally attacking her skaters that had voiced an opinion against her's or left her, but she's not the only coach to do it. We also need to give her a bit of credit - she's not discriminatory she does it to most all of them

Eteri really needs to invest in a PR manager for her team - a better post would have been to state that skaters have asked in the past for special treatment in our practices, at one point we did attempt to accommodate those requests but we quickly realized that attempting to meet those requests only leads to more requests; like gray hair if you pull 1 then 5 more show up at it's funeral.

It's a bit shocking though that 2 of her biggest stars from last season have left, but it was a question that was brought up when Medvedeva/Zagitova were direct senior competition and then when Kostornaia/Shcherbakova/Trusova were going to become seniors together with Zagitova already a senior - how do you keep them all happy. We've got the answer you can't. Eteri and her team of coaches might be falling victim to their own success; they have coached a ton of medalists and champions utilizing their methods; now their unwillingness to bend on their method has cost them 2 athletes still in the prime of their careers we'll see if this costs their "team" (meaning coaches) victory.

But how is this even possible, the transfer window closed back in May if I remember correctly? Why would she be able to change choaches now? Wouldn't she have the same problem Tarakanova had in 2018 after leaving Tutberidze?

I've seen it get said that since Plushenko's school is not a state school that the transfer "window" doesn't apply, and that was how Tarakanova ended up with Plushenko - she came back to the sport after the transfer window had closed.

 

[Mathman]

Eteri really needs to invest in a PR manager for her team - a better post would have been to state that skaters have asked in the past for special treatment in our practices, at one point we did attempt to accommodate those requests but we quickly realized that attempting to meet those requests only leads to more requests...

And even better: post nothing at all. Eteri does not owe the Twitterverse any lectures on how to run a skating camp with fairness to all skaters.

 

[brakes]

Yulia liked it ironically, she liked comments saying bad things about Eteri too.

No, she liked it admitting her past deeds. She's already straightened things up with Eteri and knows leaving her is a mistake.

 

[Jontor]

It's a bit shocking though that 2 of her biggest stars from last season have left, but it was a question that was brought up when Medvedeva/Zagitova were direct senior competition and then when Kostornaia/Shcherbakova/Trusova were going to become seniors together with Zagitova already a senior - how do you keep them all happy. We've got the answer you can't. Eteri and her team of coaches might be falling victim to their own success; they have coached a ton of medalists and champions utilizing their methods; now their unwillingness to bend on their method has cost them 2 athletes still in the prime of their careers we'll see if this costs their "team" (meaning coaches) victory.

This is sooo true. Let's face it, all figure skaters are divas, it's in the sports nature. "This town ain't big enough for the both of us", an old Sparks song comes to mind.

In a perfect world, all these skaters should have their fabulous coaches and train by themselves, and then they can meet the competition at Worlds, Olympics etc. Everyone would be happy with that. Problem is, a successful coach draws in other skaters, and then you end up with the Eteri situation...some skaters are bound to leave...it's been going on for years now. In the future I am sure we will call this the "Eteri effect" or something...