2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[yume]

The situation with Daria’s music is indeed quite strange. I don’t see Plushenko can gain anything by using the music of a junior skater from Eteri’s camp for Sasha. Making people/judges compare Sasha‘s performance with a junior skater from Eteri’s camp is the very last thing he wants to achieve. He was very fast to say that they will make new choreography for Aliona when she changed to his camp, so I find it also weird that he would want to use an idea that started while Sasha was still with Eteri. So personally I find it more probable the other way around. But we will never find out the truth I guess.

I wonder what Eteri gain.

 

[Tolstoj]

I mean we see dozens of R&J programs every season, i don't think it's all that important who announced it first (look at the boys, there were 4-5 Bohemian Rhapsody programs lol). The problem is i don't think Usacheva's free was all that great, especially compared to the short which was instead more refined.

Samodelkina looked by far the best to me, physically more ready than the other girls, 3a was consistent and the performance was there too.

 

[elysium]

I wonder what Eteri gain.

Well, she can show that even her junior skater can have better interpretation than Sasha. Daria is after all quite artistic. I agree that it would be very childish if it is the motivation. Anyway, I think no one should be able to gain anything. But the situation itself (exact same order of music cuts) is just too weird to be a mere coincidence.

 

[nussnacker]

Well, she can show that even her junior skater can have better interpretation than Sasha. Daria is after all quite artistic. I agree that it would be very childish if it is the motivation. Anyway, I think no one should be able to gain anything. But the situation itself (exact same order of music cuts) is just too weird to be a mere coincidence.

And Daria was supposed to have a better interpretation, when, by your theory, they just slapped an unrelated music to some random choreo. Logic.

 

[Alex65]

I wonder what Eteri gain.

Well, Daniel could very well be very offended when Plushenko called programs for Alena terrible. I'm sure Daniel was unhappy to hear that. But I will still believe that this is all just a coincidence until one of them begins to prove their priority.

 

[elysium]

And Daria was supposed to have a better interpretation, when, by your theory, they just slapped an unrelated music to some random choreo. Logic.

None of the alternatives is logical, I just expressed which one I found the least illogical. Moreover, choreography is something that can be made better during the season. It’s quite common in ice dance for instance that things gets tweaked here and there along the way.

 

[zounger]

I herd by GS member insider that the RJ program was captured by Dudakov on a midsummer night dream in Novogorsk and was sent secretly with pigeons to Kislovodsk bypassing the watchful eye of the evil.

 

[yume]

Well, she can show that even her junior skater can have better interpretation than Sasha. Daria is after all quite artistic. I agree that it would be very childish if it is the motivation. Anyway, I think no one should be able to gain anything. But the situation itself (exact same order of music cuts) is just too weird to be a mere coincidence.

Maybe. Maybe Gleikhengauz and her are doing this on purpose this time.

But i just find funny the way some people search similarities between what Eteri's students do and what her ex-students do, each season. Some got offended that Valieva used exogenesis like Medvedeva. Others even called copying the fact that Trusova had "Muse" in her GOT program while Medvedeva had Muse too. They apparently don't even make the difference between Matt Bellamy and Muse... I mean, no one owns music (warhorses!), let alone singers.

 

[flanker]

I herd by dunffvanstorn insider that the RJ program was captured by Dudakov on a midsummer night dream in Novogorsk and was send secretly with pigeons to Kislovodsk bypasing the watchfull eye of the evil.

No, according to what my insiders told me it was sent via smoke signal.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

I thought this at first too, but Sasha's music was only announced a week ago...and junior test skates had already started by then. And if Eteri had wanted to throw shade at Sasha, I don't think she would have picked her least consistent girl with the easiest layout to do it (and she would have had to have Daria learn a whole new free program in less than a week for junior test skates! What's the point?)

Either it was a coincidence, or it was Plushenko who chose to use Daria's music (he could've known from asking Sasha or Alena). But it's Romeo and Juliet - it doesn't get any more warhorsey than that. It wouldn't be strange if it were just a coincidence.

Pluschenko could have heard of it through other sources before test skates/announcement (training sessions are not secret...


Eteri/Daniil could have heard of it through other sources before test skates/announcement (training sessions are not secret...

What I mean is that Instagram announcements are for fans, but insiders in the sport/training locations have access to these information.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Thank you much more helpful than Elana

Hey, that was rude...

 

[dunffvanstorn]

People commented the same thing about her short program the day before. I guess, Daria just wasn’t fully prepared in general.

And being serious.... all that fuss just for the sake of 2-3 competitions Daria will take part in this season? Sounds about right.

It would be a surprise if either Aliona/Sasha are using that Moulin Rouge song [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Just kidding, please don’t take me seriously

 

[dunffvanstorn]

I herd by dunffvanstorn insider that the RJ program was captured by Dudakov on a midsummer night dream in Novogorsk and was send secretly with pigeons to Kislovodsk bypasing the watchfull eye of the evil.

Would you please not use my name to be “sarcastically funny”? Thank you.

 

[thatbeatingheart]

People commented the same thing about her short program the day before. I guess, Daria just wasn’t fully prepared in general.

And being serious.... all that fuss just for the sake of 2-3 competitions Daria will take part in this season? Sounds about right.

That actually supports Bluediamonds' theory, I think if Daria was supposed to do a whole international season they wouldn't have messed with her program (if that's what happened at all) but now it wouldn't have mattered that much.

It would be incredibly petty of course but given how they reacted after Sasha left the theory is not created out of thin air. There's no evidence so I'll let it be for now. Maybe Daria will show up at her first competition with her supposed intial program, then we'll know.

 

[Jontor]

My impressions of the ladies free test skates

Samodelkina - the clear winner for me. She looked super confident technically and I think she has improved a lot artistically as well. That solid 3A is going to be super important in the future. If last season teached us anything, it was that Kostornaia's 3A made her superior to the quad girls (except for nationals but that was close). I really think Samodelkina can challenge the Eteri girls big time. Now, let's not follow the Tuktamysheva school and skip some of the other triples just because you have a 3A, you will need it all.

Osokina - what a wonderful surprise! She has also improved a lot, and she was so much fun to watch. Great energy, interesting spins, and she has a unique prescence on the ice. Great stuff!

Khromykh - gone are the nervous looking Maiia from last year. She looks so much more confident this year. Also a nice surprise. I don't see that 4S anywhere near right now, but if she gets it, it probably won't be enough against Samodelkina's 3A's. We'll see.

Usacheva - looks also more mature this season, but as others have said, that program is a mess. And she still seems a bit nervous and the jumps are not fully there. A bit of a disappointment actually.

Frolova - what to do with Frolova? She is a nice skater, but something is lacking, I can't put my finger on it. Except for the fact that she reminds me of my grandmother, I think she kind of has an "old" mature looking face. And I don't know, is that why I think the whole routine looks a bit - old? And doesn't she have the weirdest looking Biellmann?

Muravyova - looks to me that she wasn't fully prepared for this. Needs a lot more work.

I missed Petrosyan. She is probably the one that can challenge Samodelkina at this point.

But what was the point really for these test skates for juniors? There is no JGP, and everyone will be at the Russian Cup stages anyway, right? And the spots for JW will be decided after Nationals anyway, so what was the point?

 

[colormyworld240]

Maiia's SP is definitely much better than her free. At least she performed it better and was more prepared. Still, her free this season is better than last year. It's difficult to skate to this type of music; you need a lot of musicality to pull it off, and I don't think it's there yet. Maybe she will come into it more as the season progresses. With the right skater who can express this style, it's very impressive but on the other side if the musicality isn't there it's glaringly obvious and unforgiving. I know they're not competing against each other this season, but the comparison with Anna comes to mind - the musicality that Anna has to pull of difficult music choices isn't there yet for Maiia. Unlike big character, smooth lyrical, or dramatic pieces, it's not music that you can just skate through. If the movements and expressions do not match the music perfectly, it clashes.

I think Daria's free suits her more than the short. I'm not a huge can of the overall composition and of course it's still rough but I can see her performing this much better than the short.

 

[renebaebae]

Wow Osokina is a star!! She's so vibrant, expressive, light on her feet, her edges are so deep and smooth. Her jumps look so nice, high, effortless and landings mostly look so secure. Her opening Lutz of her FP so orgasmic . The transitions into it and how playful and fitting to the music it was with such a secure landing. Wow. I may have a new fave.

 

[Shayuki]

People commented the same thing about her short program the day before. I guess, Daria just wasn’t fully prepared in general.

And being serious.... all that fuss just for the sake of 2-3 competitions Daria will take part in this season? Sounds about right.

Uhh..?

Russia will have domestic competitions and apart from Jr Worlds, those will be just as if not more important than any other international competitions when it comes to her career.

Case in point here Anastasia Gubanova, who performed fantastically at JGP in her debut season and it did not end up mattering in the slightest.

Wow Osokina is a star!! She's so vibrant, expressive, light on her feet, her edges are so deep and smooth. Her jumps look so nice, high, effortless and landings mostly look so secure. Her opening Lutz of her FP so orgasmic . The transitions into it and how playful and fitting to the music it was with such a secure landing. Wow. I may have a new fave.

Unfortunately coached by Buianova so we'll see how it goes. Her track record isn't exactly stellar, I think all of her skaters have regressed without results and left her soon after, or quit skating altogether.

 

[Skuratov]

My impressions of the ladies free test skates

Samodelkina - the clear winner for me. She looked super confident technically and I think she has improved a lot artistically as well. That solid 3A is going to be super important in the future. If last season teached us anything, it was that Kostornaia's 3A made her superior to the quad girls (except for nationals but that was close). I really think Samodelkina can challenge the Eteri girls big time. Now, let's not follow the Tuktamysheva school and skip some of the other triples just because you have a 3A, you will need it all.

I'm not completely sure but I think Sofia defeated the three Eteri's girls (K-U-V)on their novice level time.
With a 3A and 4S on her FS she can make Kamila nervous at Junior Nats and pass over Alyssa Liu at JWC.

 

[lopsilceci]

Jesus, why does everything have to be a conspiracy?

It's freaking Romeo and Juliet, one of the biggest warhorses... It wouldn't be surprising if there's another 5+ programs with this music this season, actually it's expected... It's nothing new, unusual or suspicious