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Kolyada's situation was different in that he changed coaches much earlier than Aliona and by the time it was announced on the press (in june I think), the federation already had his documents.
Aliona's decision to switch was more impulsive, much later and last we heard not long ago was that the fed still didn't have her documents.
 
Well, if both the new and old teams have to sign the papers prior to filing, it should be pretty clear why nothing was filed with the Fed, right? ;)
Or am I missing something?
 
Well, if both the new and old teams have to sign the papers prior to filing, it should be pretty clear why nothing was filed with the Fed, right? ;)
Or am I missing something?

Right. I wonder if there‘s anyone who actually believes that Aliona, her parents AND Plushenko all conveniently “forgot“ to file papers that could decide over her competitive future FOR MONTHS. After Plushenko announced (bragged, more like) that he’d personally get involved and try to have a exception be made for Aliona. Say what you will about any of them but this is not logical.

And after Lakernik basically whined about how the poor coaches should get a “compensation“ when skaters leave (great, as if the power imbalance wasn’t already big enough in this system) and “no one allowed“ Aliona to switch, it should be obvious that the issue here is not Aliona or her family.

On any rate, I hope the chaotic switch won‘t hurt Aliona. She‘ll have to make due for a season and pay part of her earnings (which won‘t be that substantial anyway, given the lack of shows and competitions) to Sambo. Then she can hopefully make the switch official.

https://fs-gossips.com/alexander-la...ova-and-trusova-will-have-nowhere-to-compete/
 
It’s “chaotic” only because media is making a big deal out of it.
Last season Anna Frolova switched coaches, but she still had “Snow Leopards” thing when she competed, not like anyone noticed or cared.

If you think belonging to a club means your show paychecks and prize money go to Eteri, well, let’s be real, Medvedeva would rather get her leg cut off than give any of that money to Eteri, lol. It’s not how it works.
Not like any of those things are expected this season anyway.

And as a part of team Russia she would still get her salary, get her tickets paid for and money for her equipment and dresses, not like Rusfed would leave her without those things.

The only thing I can think of is that Eteri will receive her coaching salary for Aliona, cause she coaches a team Russia member, and Plushenko won’t. And it’s not like Plushenko is in dire need of that money either.
Switching teams is different from switching coaches, she can train with whom she wants regardless.

The reason Aliona isn’t applying, imo, either she has still some other option in mind, or it’s not worth the hassle. Even if there is some exclusive agreement between her and Eteri, there likely won’t be any shows or prize money anyway, from which Eteri would supposedly get money, and I don’t think she cares whether or not Plushenko receives money for coaching her that much either.
 
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If you think belonging to a club means your show paychecks and prize money go to Eteri, well, let’s be real, Medvedeva would rather get her leg cut off than give any of that money to Eteri, lol. It’s not how it works.
Not like any of those things are expected this season anyway.
Seriously, lol. I don't get why we must slip into exercises of mind reading, but are perfectly fine with shutting down discussions of skating with cliche catchphrases. I guess we just know these people are evil, but we definitely, most certainly don't know how someone will skate.
 
The sport is individual anyway, I don't know why some people are obsessed with the formality of where someone is logged on papers.
 
It’s “chaotic” only because media is making a big deal out of it.
Last season Anna Frolova switched coaches, but she still had “Snow Leopards” thing when she competed, not like anyone noticed or cared.

If you think belonging to a club means your show paychecks and prize money go to Eteri, well, let’s be real, Medvedeva would rather get her leg cut off than give any of that money to Eteri, lol. It’s not how it works.
Not like any of those things are expected this season anyway.

And as a part of team Russia she would still get her salary, get her tickets paid for and money for her equipment and dresses, not like Rusfed would leave her without those things.

The only thing I can think of is that Eteri will receive her coaching salary for Aliona, cause she coaches a team Russia member, and Plushenko won’t. And it’s not like Plushenko is in dire need of that money either.
Switching teams is different from switching coaches, she can train with whom she wants regardless.

The reason Aliona isn’t applying, imo, either she has still some other option in mind, or it’s not worth the hassle. Even if there is some exclusive agreement between her and Eteri, there likely won’t be any shows or prize money anyway, from which Eteri would supposedly get money, and I don’t think she cares whether or not Plushenko receives money for coaching her that much either.

https://fs-gossips.com/oleg-vasilie...oney-from-shows-and-ad-if-the-athlete-leaves/

I got my information from this interview, where both salary from the state as well as income from shows/competitions are mentioned. And there must be some truth to it, considering that we have at least two precedents of clubs/coaches trying to prevent skaters from switching (Mishin with Lozko, which basically ruined her career and Sambo with Lipnitskaya). I don't know how the situation works for Medvedeva but her case is also rather special in that she trains with a foreign specialist and only has Sambo as the "official" club for internal competitions.

And yes, media are making a big deal out of it but it's not like RusFed officials kept mentioning "how they didn't have the paperwork" and how "no one allowed a switch" every few weeks when Frolova was changing coaches either. There is a more discreet way to handle it than what they've shown the last months.

Frankly, I don't care about either of Plushenko or Eteri, the only reason I'm even bothering with this situation is that it can potentially harm Aliona. All this negative attention in the press, Lakernik talking about possible "sanctions"... it's not good and simply unnecessary. And yes, I do believe that at least her parents would try to prevent this sort of thing happening by simply submitting the paperwork. It's not that hard - even if she still has some other option in mind, which we don't know, she could literally just go through the process again.

Head of Sambo made a big deal out of it already when Sasha left, writing on instagram how they'd have to "expel her from the school" if she was indeed changing coaches. Everyone can decide on their own whether Aliona and her parents would intentionally subject themselves to months of drama in the press by not submitting necessary paperwork or whether maybe a club and a federation that have both shown precedent in trying to prevent students from leaving their coaching environments, might have anything to do with the issues. And please note that I'm more focused on Sambo 70 and RusFed as organisations in this case, rather than Eteri as a individual.

Again, as long as Aliona's fine, I will be too, no matter whether "Sambo 70" or "Angels of Plushenko" or literally any other club is written under her name when she takes the ice.

Seriously, lol. I don't get why we must slip into exercises of mind reading, but are perfectly fine with shutting down discussions of skating with cliche catchphrases. I guess we just know these people are evil, but we definitely, most certainly don't know how someone will skate.

Isn't there literally an entire ranking thread which sole purpose is to predict how skaters are going to skate in the new season? :shrug:
 
Isn't this the Russian Ladies FIGURE SKATING thread? :shrug: but I guess, you do you?

Yes, and? I really don't get your point, considering that we have enthusiastic discussions about pre-rotation that keep popping up every two pages or so. I'd say that's definitely about figure skating. :laugh: You don't have to participate in discussions you don't like - I know I try to stay away when Shcherbakova's lutz edge/prerotation are being brought up for the hundredth time. But no worries, test skates are in less than two weeks. Lots of skating to discuss then. :)
 
https://fs-gossips.com/oleg-vasilie...oney-from-shows-and-ad-if-the-athlete-leaves/

I got my information from this interview, where both salary from the state as well as income from shows/competitions are mentioned. And there must be some truth to it, considering that we have at least two precedents of clubs/coaches trying to prevent skaters from switching (Mishin with Lozko, which basically ruined her career and Sambo with Lipnitskaya). I don't know how the situation works for Medvedeva but her case is also rather special in that she trains with a foreign specialist and only has Sambo as the "official" club for internal competitions.

And yes, media are making a big deal out of it but it's not like RusFed officials kept mentioning "how they didn't have the paperwork" and how "no one allowed a switch" every few weeks when Frolova was changing coaches either. There is a more discreet way to handle it than what they've shown the last months.

Frankly, I don't care about either of Plushenko or Eteri, the only reason I'm even bothering with this situation is that it can potentially harm Aliona. All this negative attention in the press, Lakernik talking about possible "sanctions"... it's not good and simply unnecessary. And yes, I do believe that at least her parents would try to prevent this sort of thing happening by simply submitting the paperwork. It's not that hard - even if she still has some other option in mind, which we don't know, she could literally just go through the process again.

Head of Sambo made a big deal out of it already when Sasha left, writing on instagram how they'd have to "expel her from the school" if she was indeed changing coaches. Everyone can decide on their own whether Aliona and her parents would intentionally subject themselves to months of drama in the press by not submitting necessary paperwork or whether maybe a club and a federation that have both shown precedent in trying to prevent students from leaving their coaching environments, might have anything to do with the issues. And please note that I'm more focused on Sambo 70 and RusFed as organisations in this case, rather than Eteri as a individual.

Again, as long as Aliona's fine, I will be too, no matter whether "Sambo 70" or "Angels of Plushenko" or literally any other club is written under her name when she takes the ice.



Isn't there literally an entire ranking thread which sole purpose is to predict how skaters are going to skate in the new season? :shrug:

Yeah, but I still don’t get which international competitions & shows are we expecting to have this season. We all know there likely won’t be any. So... what cut are they expecting to get out of those 0 events that are about to happen?

I don’t know how it was done in Sasha’s case, but even if Sambo person tried to stop her, well he failed miserably at it, lmao.
Most likely, Sasha’s parents talked to coaches & went on to submit application directly to Rusfed, thus not talking to the head of Sambo. He felt unimportant and got pissed about it. That would be my guess.

With Frolova, I think she switched after her last jgp, which is September-October, and she still competed under Snow leopards whole season.
Why media didn’t bother?...
You’d have to take into account though, that media talking about Frolova won’t get them any clicks. I love Anna, but we all know those articles won’t get traction. Whereas if you keep blowing up something about Aliona, Sasha or Tutberidze, you know you’d get your traffic.

Watching Alina, I know what it’s like, where every movement or word is made into a whole new drama. Every single person related or unrelated to figure skating would be interviewed about any random thing.
 
With Frolova, I think she switched after her last jgp, which is September-October, and she still competed under Snow leopards whole season.
Why media didn’t bother?...

Is this a rhetorical question? My second question don't you believe me? :laugh: I said it not once the Russian media uses Plushenko name to make sensation, to reach readers. Some years ago, before Medvedeva, or Zagi if any journalist wanted to readers they put Plushy's name in the title even though the article had only one question about him for the interviewee. For example do you know Ilya Averbukh and Adelina Sotnikova had opened their private figure skating schools? If yes, you could read one-two artciles on them. When Plushenko opened it there were tons of articles, opinions in the media. Endless opinions based on the manipulated datas by the journalist. Did you read the Army of Skaters club is in the old Plushenko Academy's building? Were there any journalists who were worried about the size of the rink? etc..

So the main reason is Plushenko and his academy plus Eteri! and the raining ECH Alyona Kostornaya. So simply. Plus the media is ready to report false things, rumors about them........

But if Aliona can learn from someone how to ignore what is being written about her, that is Plushenko.:yes:
 
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The only thing I can think of is that Eteri will receive her coaching salary for Aliona, cause she coaches a team Russia member, and Plushenko won’t. And it’s not like Plushenko is in dire need of that money either.

As can see that they do not know Plushenko, with Plushenko everything is always about money. However, what hurts him the most about what happened with Kostornaia is not training someone for practically free, but make... it so that whoever winner is Eteri.
 
As can see that they do not know Plushenko, with Plushenko everything is always about money. However, what hurts him the most about what happened with Kostornaia is not training someone for practically free, but make... it so that whoever winner is Eteri.
Seeing yourself disproving your own statement right away is very amusing. :laugh:
 
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