2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[lopsilceci]

In response to the Kostornaya and Medvedeva injury situations: I'm not advocating for skating on an injury, especially if its a serious one, but I think it's a little naive to assume that skaters don't practice in some level of pain fairly often. I was never a skater, but I was a decently high-level athlete in a different sport, as well as a coach, and I practiced and competed for years through fractures, sprains, bone bruises, illnesses, etc., as did many of my athletes. If the pain could be managed and I wasn't going to cause more damage, I wanted to practice, and compete. Looking back on it, do I think it was responsible? Of course not. But being entrenched in a high pressure, highly competitive system, a mindset of pushing through the pain when possible does become normalized.

Are the test skates worth skating through pain for, though? Many other top skaters withdrew for different reasons and I don't think they will be punished or disadvantaged for having skipped this.
Overall, as much as I enjoyed and missed watching skating like this, I think it was very irresponsible for the federation to organize this and hype it so much, putting innecesary pressure in the skaters to feel like they need to show something that they might not be fully prepared for.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

One thing I'm sure of is that if it had become known that during these test skates, an Eteri skater:

a) was allowed to skate with a fever in the middle of the freaking covid pandemic.
b) had a super messy skate like Medvedeva, most likely because of an old injury while also looking unusually skinny and still, was allowed to skate here.
c) skated a short program with an injury and then was praised by her coach for sucking it up and skating anyway.

Sure, we saw a few critical opinions about this here and in the Test Skates thread, but definitely not the outrage it would have caused if it was an Eteri skater and I didn't see a single person blaming the coach or posting long speeches about how irresponsible and abusive Mishin, TAT, Brian or Plushenko are.

My goodness, please stop with the persecutory delusions. Yes, people have bias against Eteri, other people have bias in her favor, let it be, let’s move on, this is exhausting.

 

[Resa]

Based on things I've seen most of the top skaters to some level have a segment of "anti-fans" that seem to have a strange obsession with how that skater is terrible in every aspect of existence. My course of action is to put that person on ignore/block, I only wish that when you put someone on block that it would also hide their posts when someone else quotes them.

Wait, so it is possible to block certain posters? I didn't even know! Thank you

 

[vorravorra]

Are the test skates worth skating through pain for, though? Many other top skaters withdrew for different reasons and I don't think they will be punished or disadvantaged for having skipped this.
Overall, as much as I enjoyed and missed watching skating like this, I think it was very irresponsible for the federation to organize this and hype it so much, putting innecesary pressure in the skaters to feel like they need to show something that they might not be fully prepared for.

If other skaters could withdraw, so could Aliona and Zhenya. I don't see how the Fed could be blamed for their decision to skate through pain when so many had decided against it with no repercussions.

 

[Mathman]

Very early on, even before covid, they had a sports.ru (I think that’s correct) had contest for some Aliona stuff— give her favorite program ideas (song choice + dress design) and you’ll be sent something if she likes your idea best.

I suggested some futuristic music (something space themed, with like a rocket launch countdown at the beginning or end) for the short program and then the modernized renditions of sleeping beauty music from the Maleficent soundtrack.

Did you win a prize?

 

[sclloyd]

Did you win a prize?

No, I submitted too late. There was a deadline and I submitted the night of in the US, which is already the next morning in Russia. So it was not considered. ): but it was still a fun artistic endeavor to escape school in my spare moments.

 

[Mathman]

I meant something else. Someone responds to legitimate criticism by simply listing examples that show what the other side has done.

It was such a typically newfangled term.

Whataboutism?

Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

"Tu queque" means "Oh. I am, am I? Well, you're another!"

https://www.thoughtco.com/tu-quoque-logical-fallacy-1692568

 

[fabienne1996]

If other skaters could withdraw, so could Aliona and Zhenya. I don't see how the Fed could be blamed for their decision to skate through pain when so many had decided against it with no repercussions.

I think it may be that zhenya was at test skates to get a feel for skating the programme including jumps before an audience , cause she is (if she doesn't withdraw ) with Anna the one who has to skate in the first event this weekend,I don't think it's a good idea to make your first outing of the season the first real competition under pressure

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[GBs mom]

For Trusova my hope is that they don't end up adding too much with the jumps as it happened last season with the quad flip, then the 3a, because realistically with a clean 3 quads free program and an improved artistry, Sasha can beat anyone.

I'm curious what others on this board would like to see Trusova do this season. For me personally, I love it when she pushes the limits with her jumps. It's very exciting to watch, though I must admit the end of last season was very hard as a fan. I hope we get to see a landed quad loop from her and a 3A.

 

[flanker]

Is there a full list of entries for the 1st stage of the Russian Cup?

 

[lopsilceci]

My goodness, please stop with the persecutory delusions. Yes, people have bias against Eteri, other people have bias in her favor, let it be, let’s move on, this is exhausting.

I didn't bring up this topic, however, some people were asking for recent examples of bias. This is the most recent one and thank you for acknowledging that bias DOES exist.

 

[Skatesocs]

I'm curious what others on this board would like to see Trusova do this season. For me personally, I love it when she pushes the limits with her jumps. It's very exciting to watch, though I must admit the end of last season was very hard as a fan. I hope we get to see a landed quad loop from her and a 3A.

I actually got my wish much earlier in the thread and got a lyrical Trusova program!

 

[silveruskate]

I'm curious what others on this board would like to see Trusova do this season. For me personally, I love it when she pushes the limits with her jumps. It's very exciting to watch, though I must admit the end of last season was very hard as a fan. I hope we get to see a landed quad loop from her and a 3A.

I think this really depends on her priorities. Her goal to land a program with all of the quads and a 3A is most likely harder than winning the Olympics, but without the same reward. However, for her to learn the 4Lo, with women skaters the trend says it doesn't look as though she has as much time as Nathan Chen for example who is getting better and better. I would want her to get that 3A and focus on making her existing jumps consistent for the Olympics, but this all really depends on Sasha.

 

[Fried]

Whataboutism?

Whataboutism! That is exactly what I was looking for. Now I can go to bed calmly. Let me embrace you! :

 

[Alex65]

"One ice dancer". Great, that persuaded me. Anonymous sources, not supported by any visible (or listenable) action during the skates. Apart from the official streamare also fancams, nothing proves any significant hostility. I can't speak for each of the two thousands of people there, but I doubt there was anything in an amount bigger than negligible. I also doubt there are not people who think the same (and actually have showns similar behaviour publicly) towards other skaters.

It is incorrigible. Willingness to justify any negativity coming from a certain (large) group of TT fans with a tenacity worthy of a better application. Do you think someone would have to come up with it if it didn't actually happen? Here is the official 1TV broadcast. Read the comments. There is 30% proEteri, 20% antiPlyushchenko, 20% antiMedvedeva and about 5% each pro (or anti) Anna, Kamila, Sasha, Alena. These are not youtube fan channels. This is the official broadcast channel. But you can keep claiming that nothing exists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKzyugR7ezk
Most of the comments against Plushenko and Medvedeva are humiliating insults.

 

[eliana]

Coach Yelena Buyanova shared her opinion about the skaters' performances at the test skates of the Russian national team.

“Of course, the pandemic left its mark, but the goals and desires of the guys remained. In my opinion, two athletes clearly stood out among women at these skates.

This is Sasha Trusova, who is in excellent physical shape and is moving forward to her heights. She really is our Russian rocket!

And Kamila Valieva, who has fantastic choreographic skills and ultra-si jumps. Its level is absolutely not inferior to adult skating, it is mesmerizing.

Anya Shcherbakova has grown up and, probably, is not yet in her optimal condition, but we must not forget that it is only the beginning of the season and she will work out her own way. She has a huge potential!
At heart, I really root for our girls Zhenya Medvedeva and Liza Tuktamysheva. They are wonderful and we should be proud of them, ”said Buyanova.

https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1088995508.html

 

[Tolstoj]

What is this?

Win everything, Worlds, Olympics.

When your BV for the free is like 20 points ahead your main competitors (Tutberidze skaters so the best out there) then of course you want to be the best. Yes Kostornaya is better artistically but not 20 points better, and so are Valieva or Shcherbakova.

Hmm nope. Sasha has made it clear that her goal is to skate a 5 quad layout cleanly.

But it has already been announced that the 3-quad program will be gradually expanded to the 5-quad program. Was it Plush or was it Sasha? I am not sure. Anyway, I read it somewhere yesterday. We should simply get used to it. Это Саша. :cool14:

Medvedeva also said she wants to win the next Olympics, how realistic is that scenario today?
Lysacek also said that you need a quad in order to be on top, then he won Olympics without any quad.

Goal is to win, how to do it, that can change everytime depending on the circumstances, how consistent Sasha will be with more quads? how sustainable is it? Does she really need all of them to win?

If she starts to have a meltdown like last season, then they'll certainly have to discuss what's the best plan for her.

 

[kmw227]

Looks like RusFed released the preliminary participants for the first Cup stage.

Notable ladies: Medvedeva, Frolova, Khromykh, Shcherbakova all senior with Akatieva in junior as well.

https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1088996252.html

 

[ruga]

https://sportvokrug.ru/competitions/7258//participants/
Besides Shcherbakova and Medvedeva, Frolova, Khromykh, Sultanmagomedova, Chaplygina and Sarnovskaya are listed for the first cup event. They'll add more people to the list or so I hope.

 

[Jeanie19]

same. it kind of beats the purpose of having someone on ignore. i wish it were similar to blocking on social media, where you see nothing at all. i hope they can change this at some point.

The worse for me, was the poster I have on ignore, quoted my post and was rude and I had to see it.