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I’m blaming Alina? Umm...they’re her messages. Someone gave them permission to be posted, and if she didn’t give permission then she should feel very offended that her trust was violated. Maybe Alina will make a public statement that someone hacked her messages and posted them?
Alina is now an adult. She knows right from wrong, so if she isn’t involved in this public display then I hope she gets an apology.

Your response here doesn't even apply to what you said in your original post.
In which you speculated she started this drama because she was attention starved.
 
Your response here doesn't even apply to what you said in your original post.
In which you speculated she started this drama because she was attention starved.
Point out where I said she started the drama. You are really reaching if you’re accusing me of saying she started the drama.
 
WOW, Yana's PR is just at another level. I agree with TSL on this - it's 2-women's war :ROFLMAO: and EG really needs a paid PR to have a fight.
 
I’m blaming Alina? Umm...they’re her messages. Someone gave them permission to be posted, and if she didn’t give permission then she should feel very offended that her trust was violated. Maybe Alina will make a public statement that someone hacked her messages and posted them?
Alina is now an adult. She knows right from wrong, so if she isn’t involved in this public display then I hope she gets an apology.
Oh, you really just have no idea of what you're talking about 😒
 
Point out where I said she started the drama. You are really reaching if you’re accusing me of saying she started the drama.
I said you speculated that she started the drama, not that you outright stated it.
If I misread the intentions of your original post, then I admit I was mistaken.

But what was I supposed to infer from your orignial post - which was quite provocative....
"Maybe she wanted some media attention? Right now it seems the focus is on Medvedeva and the drama with the coaching changes. Perhaps she felt left out"

Was it supposed to be a joke, and I just didn't get it?
 
Maybe she wanted some media attention? Right now it seems the focus is on Medvedeva and the drama with the coaching changes. Perhaps she felt left out

You didn't missed the opportunity to speculate it looks. Media attention she has plenty, she avoids it actually, she could had more. As for the drama ask Eteri and Rudovskaya, their problems, poems and I don't know what else...
 
there is no connection you are talking about at all. No need to invent! Rudkovskaya says that she had previously communicated with Zagitova on various issues. For example, these "Japanese healing techniques". I am clarifying because you either do not understand Russian well enough, or your translation is bs.
Oh, I’m perfect with russian. She tried to paint it as if the conversation had nothing to do with anyone luring anyone away. And the answer “No thanks, I’m staying with my coaches” - isn’t the one that is given to some general conversations, that have nothing to do with poaching. The japanese techniques (lmfao!)
Mental gymnastics should be an olympic sport. :)
 
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People change coaches all the time, who cares? That is the skater's right.
Well, not really. It's common sense to expect proper procedure. Russian figure skating pours a lot of money and effort into children's coaching on a national level that makes it relatively cheap in comparison to most other countries. It's, well, pretty rude to not even follow their rules and announce coaching changes when they're supposed to be. I'm not sure where this attitude stems from but in many cultures, people actually are expected to be thankful for being taught. It's not a "oh I pay you so I'm the king"-kind of a relationship. It's a "thank you for being willing to teach me for money"-kind of a relationship.
 
I'm trying to avoid this conversation, but it's close to impossible :)

So, I'll just make one statement:

Alina is not a passive object who is only used by others. She's 18 already, as her fan I don't expect she's just a doll moved only by the actions of the others. She's shown in the past she has her own opinions and is willing to publish them despite the critique. From my view, if I would've have been repeatedly contacted and "headhuntered" (esp. in case the other side claims "we are not doing anything like that"), I would want it to be known.
 
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It doesn't really matter, how Alina's message got out.
It doesn't really matter, if it breaks rules of law.
It doesn't even matter, if it's acceptable to lure skaters from other coaches or not.

What really matters, is that Olympic champion, one of the greatest figures in Russian figure skating, Evgeni Plushenko PUBLICLY LIED about it.
 
It doesn't really matter, how Alina's message got out.
It doesn't really matter, if it breaks rules of law.
It doesn't even matter, if it's acceptable to lure skaters from other coaches or not.

What really matters, is that Olympic champion, one of the greatest figures in Russian figure skating, Evgeni Plushenko PUBLICLY LIED about it.
Oh come on are you kidding me?

Alexei Yagudin that Olympic champion told Adam Rippon to curl up and die because he's gay and supports trans rights.

Why is it whatever Plushy does it's automatically the worst thing that's ever been done by anyone in history?

If Alina doesn't want to go to the Academy she doesn't have to, no-one's forcing her, just say no like she did.

Why are Team TUT so jumpy about this anyway? Are they afraid they can't keep their skaters on their own?

By the way in order to view that story from their team you had to confirm you were viewing it. Like they want to keep tabs on who looks at it. What the Hell is that? Apart from creepy as anything.
 
So I don't know what Plushy fans say, but I myself wonder what is so problematic about this offer? With the best will in the world, I can't see anything except a non-binding invitation. Far and wide no trace of an immoral offer, much less a single ruble. 🤔
Exactly! If Alina was drifting, a helping hand was extended to her. It's not about Sasha or Aliona. What did Plusenko lie to?
 
Oh come on are you kidding me?

Alexei Yagudin that Olympic champion told Adam Rippon to curl up and die because he's gay and supports trans rights.
I may not agree with him or even hate him for what he said, but I respect his honesty - I can react to his words, I can try convince him to change his mind or I can just say I hate him for them, etc...

In Plushenko case - there is no sense in interacting with a man who publicly lies, because you don't know if he really thinks/does what he says.
All you can do is stay away from him and his lies.

That's the difference.
 
It doesn't really matter, how Alina's message got out.
It doesn't really matter, if it breaks rules of law.
It doesn't even matter, if it's acceptable to lure skaters from other coaches or not.

What really matters, is that Olympic champion, one of the greatest figures in Russian figure skating, Evgeni Plushenko PUBLICLY LIED about it.
Apart from the fact that in the present case various statements are put into dubious contexts to support rumors: If I were Eteri, I would have published the non-grata list first to prove that I am not a liar myself.
 
Yana's response (google translate):

“Alina is not a serf. I hope our correspondence did not fall into the wrong hands at gunpoint. " Rudkovskaya responded to the post of Tutberidze's team​

The well-known producer Yana Rudkovskaya, in a conversation with the SE correspondent, commented on the post of Eteri Tutberidze's team on Instagram, which refers to the "enticement" of the skater Alina Zagitova to Plushenko's academy . Attached to the post in the "story" is a screen with the correspondence between Rudkovskaya and Zagitova , which says about the opening of the academy's skating rink in November and that Alina is "expected". The photo is signed with the phrase "is nobody enticing anyone?"
As Rudkovskaya told "SE", the correspondence is genuine, but taken out of context:

- Alina and I are subscribed to each other and sometimes correspond. Alina, for example, asked questions and asked for advice on the Japanese wellness techniques that I advertise. I don’t know how our private correspondence fell into the wrong hands. And who did she get to, who took possession of her. I hope it didn't happen at gunpoint or with the phone torn from my hands.

But the messages are taken out of context. I do not see the words "train" there, and even more so some kind of negative in someone's direction. Last year, Alina talked to me about the transition and possible participation in our shows, but decided to stay where she wanted to leave. We did not advertise this! She was underage then. Now I have received information that Alina will find out what kind of atmosphere we have in the academy. Perhaps it would be interesting for her to cooperate with us in some of our shows, not only in Russia, but also abroad. And we - with her. I wrote: if we are needed, we are open.

Alina is not a serf, she is already an adult girl, an adult. Recently, a presenter on television. Not entered at any competitions at the moment. What questions? Life just on figure skating does not end, at least for me.

I have my own version of all correspondence, but I will definitely never publish it anywhere, since I am a law-abiding citizen. It's a shame that there are such illiterate citizens for whom laws are not written. I hope their lawyers will explain Article 138 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation to Tutberidze's headquarters. In between their workouts.

If Tutberidze offers Sasha Plushenko to go to the show that she is organizing, she will come out with such an offer - I will agree with pleasure! As we know from Zhenya Medvedeva, everything impossible is possible. If her headquarters offers an interesting advertising contract to my son, I will give a good interest. I'm open! I do not know who there is in the Tutberidze team that storms the most. But everyone needs to relax and live peacefully. Train, not intrigue.

After all, you train athletes who play for Russia, and not for headquarters and academies! Although I understand how much the degree is increasing. But I'm no longer interested in playing show business. Here Tsvetaeva's poems impressed me much more, - concluded Rudkovskaya. (Dmitry Kuznetsov)"

Bravo Yana! Following Evgheni, I became your fan! You are a great lawyer. You've always proved it since you were with your husband. You always pleaded like a great magistrate!
 
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