2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Alex65]

You are definitely not the only one here whose native language is Russian. Kostornoia words are very doubtful, because there were no children born in 2010 at the summer training camp in Novogorsk. Two closest ones are Kolesnikov and Fedotov (both 2009) who are excellent skaters with triple-triples and not some newbies.
Anyway, Kostornaia said she decided to blacklist them (who else?), Eteri didn't agree. So your accusations are absolutely baseless. Eteri told the truth.

Your constant accusations of lying are like screaming "Grab the thief" (unfortunately I don't know how to say this in English.)
Kostornaya says in interviews that she was concerned about the safety and performance of the training process, but the coaches were not willing to improve it. And this is the reason for her departure.
ET writes on Twitter that Alena expressed a categorical personal dislike for someone personally (who could it be?), Citing Lipnitskaya and Medvedeva as examples. And so she had to leave.
So which one is lying?

 

[macy]

You are definitely not the only one here whose native language is Russian. Kostornoia words are very doubtful, because there were no children born in 2010 at the summer training camp in Novogorsk. Two closest ones are Kolesnikov and Fedotov (both 2009) who are excellent skaters with triple-triples and not some newbies.
Anyway, Kostornaia said she decided to blacklist them (who else?), Eteri didn't agree. So your accusations are absolutely baseless. Eteri told the truth.

this is a direct quote from Kostornaia's interview

Q: Was there the non grata list?
A: I don’t have any problems with other girls. I just think that athletes like me and, for example, Anya or Kamila can’t skate on the same ice with the kids who was born in 2010. Those kids should understand that the older girls won't give you any favours if you interfere with them. One day I told to my ex coaches that there are 8 senior athletes on the ice already, and they should send the kids there very carefully. Those kids just didn’t understand anything, they disturbed us very much and that was very annoying.
Q: So, there wasn’t any demands from your side, only requests?
A: I told them: “Let’s do something in another way, please, it’s very uncomfortable, it’s just impossible to endure it already”. But there was no any reaction.

this isn't a blacklist. this is a request to have safe, noncrowded ice for elite, senior level skaters without children getting in your way and she has every right to ask for that in order to train properly and productively. i have been on crowded ice with lower level, younger children and it is EXTREMELY hard, sometimes impossible, to do your skills and train programs when they don't watch where they are going or what they are doing. a lot of them don't understand right of way. this is why high level athletes usually have separate sessions from low level. Eteri, playing the victim and woe is me as usual, twisted this to fit her narrative and drag Aliona's name through the mud. anything to make herself look good and pacify her stans.

 

[Pantsu]

this is a direct quote from Kostornaia's interview

What is the source of that direct quote ?

 

[Fried]

She didn't. You are lying.

I can state that some posters are not inferior to their idols. At least when it comes to communication on social media.

 

[flanker]

Of course not. All she said after Zhenya left is in this TV report https://youtu.be/vmwF0xyk5nM
The rest is lies and fiction.

Of course I remember what was said, it was more a rhetorical question

 

[trkvy]

Your constant accusations of lying are like screaming "Grab the thief" (unfortunately I don't know how to say this in English.)
Kostornaya says in interviews that she was concerned about the safety and performance of the training process, but the coaches were not willing to improve it. And this is the reason for her departure.
ET writes on Twitter that Alena expressed a categorical personal dislike for someone personally (who could it be?), Citing Lipnitskaya and Medvedeva as examples. And so she had to leave.
So which one is lying?

You are. ET writes that Kostornaia demanded to remove some skaters from the rink during her training sessions. That's what she admit herself. Safety rules were observed at the rink, there were no any newbies there.

 

[flanker]

Here we go again. What was said two years ago, two monts ago, two weeks ago, two days ago and two hours ago. Why can't we just get along

 

[Amei]

Eteri and company didn't break the law.

I said "if" (I'm not familiar with Russian law, but there have been posts saying that what team Eteri posted yesterday broke the law) but the post I quoted flat out said it doesn't matter if law was broken....that what mattered is that Plushenko lied. That's strange to me, lying is bad I think we can all agree and Plushenko fans can qualify what he said to avoid saying he lied, but I think we should all reasonably agree that breaking the law is worse than doing something immoral like lying (unless the lie was told in a setting which makes it illegal).

 

[plushyfan]

Well what I understand:

-Yana Rudkovskaya invited Zagitova to the opening of their new ice rink. They had some chats with together before because Yana wanted to catch her for their shows. They have good relationship. Alina wrote to her at first.

- Rudkovskaya didn't invited her to train plus Alina is not a competitor right now, and probably wont be. She is a free prey for every show organizer- as she was for Averbukh who is the owner of the Ice Age. It seems Eteri is sensitive only with Plushenko show

-Maybe disclosing a private letter is not legal in Russia.

-Plushenko wrote he has some secret, not pleasent informations about Eteri he could make it public if he wants.

Did I miss something? BTW for me became clear Eteri is afraid of Plushenko school's succes.

That is also clear this will be one of the the greatest fights among their schools in figure skating history.

 

[macy]

What is the source of that direct quote ?

sport24 video interview and translation shared by a fan instagram page. i tried finding the original article but could not as i can't read Russian.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFDKGxSoQKG/

 

[flanker]

Well what I understand:

-Yana Rudkovskaya invited Zagitova to the opening of their new ice rink. They had some chats with together before because Yana wanted to catch her for their shows. They have good relationship. Alina wrote to her at first.

- Rudkovskaya didn't invited her to train plus Alina is not a competitor right now, and probably wont be. She is a free prey for every show organizer- as she was for Averbukh who is the owner of the Ice Age. It seems Eteri is sensitive only with Plushenko show

-Maybe disclosing a private letter is not legal in Russia.

-Plushenko wrote he has some secret, not pleasent informations about Eteri he could make it public if he wants.

Did I miss something? BTW for me became clear Eteri is afraid of Plushenko school's succes.

That is also clear this will be one of the the greatest fights among their schools in figure skating history. (and)

And they say Eteri's fans are blind

 

[plushyfan]

And they say Eteri's fans are blind

I don't understand what do you want to say.

 

[Pantsu]

sport24 video interview and translation shared by a fan instagram page. i tried finding the original article but could not as i can't read Russian.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFDKGxSoQKG/

Thank you. That means whoever translated the interview edited her answers

 

[silveruskate]

You are. ET writes that Kostornaia demanded to remove some skaters from the rink during her training sessions. That's what she admit herself. Safety rules were observed at the rink, there were no any newbies there.

You're absolutely changing and spinning everything!! Eteri saying Kostornaia provided a whole list of unwelcome skaters was not even a quarter of the story according to Aliona. If Aliona is saying the truth then that description of events is dishonest by Eteri. I don't care if it isn't a blatant lie.

 

[flanker]

I don't understand what do you want to say.

Than any explanation is useless (which was expected of course)

 

[macy]

Thank you. That means whoever translated the interview edited her answers

are you able to share the original article or provide a more accurate translation if something had been changed? i doubt the translation would be much different since the actual audio is available to listen to in the post.

 

[Decoder]

Of course I remember what was said, it was more a rhetorical question

Well, I'd say I am witnessing how a lie (or put it in a milder way, alternative fact) is being fabricated.

 

[Amei]

And they say Eteri's fans are blind

Based on what I've seen most everyone puts blinders on when their favorite or least favorite skater/coach is involved.

 

[trkvy]

Well what I understand:

-Yana Rudkovskaya invited Zagitova to the opening of their new ice rink. They had some chats with together before because Yana wanted to catch her for their shows. They have good relationship. Alina wrote to her at first.

- Rudkovskaya didn't invited her to train plus Alina is not a competitor right now, and probably wont be. She is a free prey for every show organizer- as she was for Averbukh who is the owner of the Ice Age. It seems Eteri is sensitive only with Plushenko show

-Maybe disclosing a private letter is not legal in Russia.

-Plushenko wrote he has some secret, not pleasent informations about Eteri he could make it public if he wants.

Did I miss something?

Yes you missed pretty much everything. Rudkovskaya didn't invite Alina 'to the opening of their new ice rink.' She said 'we wait for you so much, we gonna have new rink soon, we can offer much ice time and many specialists including foreign ones'
Disclosing a private letter is legal in Russia if permitted by one of the correspondents.

 

[flanker]

Based on what I've seen most everyone puts blinders on when their favorite or least favorite skater/coach is involved.

I'm not excluding myself from the imperfect mankind