2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Alex65]

Yes, RusFed corrupt practices that have existed since the Soviet times are also TeamTutberidze's fault.

They've also killed Kennedy.

And Kenny.

You're funny) Of course, they did not come up with it, but TT is the main beneficiary of this corruption in recent years. "Bonus Eteri" is what exists and this is what Tolstoy was talking about.

 

[Amei]

definitely not


No idea (but judging by the name, either one or both of her parents are not Russian; or they are huge fans of two particular English writers to give her that name ); she's 7 years old, and used to train at AoP earlier (till 2019, if I'm not mistaken)



They do, on a regular basis; and not only on developmental level - Lil'bet, Moris & Nika are examples of that.

Whose Nika? I would be curious how much international skaters Eteri and team train on a long term basis (not what shoma did last year) both Moris and elizabet are "International" in paperwork only both are born and raised in Moscow and representing their parents home country, politely that probably got done to ensure easy spots at international competitions, Moris at 1 point did skate for Russia with mediocre results.

 

[JazzUp]

Whose Nika? I would be curious how much international skaters Eteri and team train on a long term basis (not what shoma did last year) both Moris and elizabet are "International" in paperwork only

Nika Egadze, from Georgia. And Nika & Lil'bet & Moris are not representing Russia - thus taking the "rink time" needed for training Russians (and the question was about that).

 

[JazzUp]

TT is the main beneficiary

TT is "the main beneficiary" because they are the best. How dare they!

 

[flanker]

Croatia almost did it with half your population.

Because their clubs are entirely devoted to raising young talents and sell them immediately to the big clubs so they can play the big competitions.

Czech Republic should start doing the same if they want to see some result, but to me it seems the best talents aren't coming there anymore, national team is weak compared to years ago. As Lazio supporter i remember the glorious days of Pavel Nedved.

Everybody knows that, except our football union (not that nobody wouldn't tell them). The point is it doesn't matter what you want, but what you do for it.

International results are almost all deserved, but because of the status it is true that RusFed is overscoring this team way more than what they deserve domestically. (see Maiia Khromykh complete bomb and yet still medal pretending it was all good)

It's what i complained for years about CSKA, when they were always getting the marks no matter what, and i thought with Sambo70 showing better results, Rusfed would have realized that you need a fair competition to keep a competitive environment, or other coaches would have lost interest and move to other categories like Men. I don't think much has changed since those days, and yes coaches are moving to Men, especially in Saint Peter.

You truly remind me the "variant b" I mentioned earlier - according to you Gorshkov just suddenly pointed at Eteri's team in a list of schools and said "since now you will start to overscore them because... I like Eteri's fashion."

 

[Shayuki]

Lyubov Rubtsova (11) just landed a 3A.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFxS4n8p-Zh/

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but they managed to do it without Rozanov! Perhaps Dudakov learned a thing or two from him after all.

Perhaps she's a talented jumper after all, who knew?

 

[Alex65]

TT is "the main beneficiary" because they are the best. How dare they!

Yes, of course) But even when this is not the case, the "bonus" still works in their favor.
The habit of some posters here to exaggerate the words of others, and thereby distort the very meaning of what was said beyond recognition, becomes tiresome and definitely does not contribute to an interesting conversation.

 

[flanker]

Eteri's crime in the mind of some people is obviously just that her team is the best and most succesful because of that in Russia (and it can be said that also internationally). That's so unjust to the others, they work so hard while TT coaches just sit home (on the beach before the corona) and drink tequila

 

[Alex65]

Eteri's crime in the mind of some people is obviously just that her team is the best and most succesful because of that in Russia (and it can be said that also internationally). That's so unjust to the others, they work so hard while TT coaches just sit home and drink tequila

There are no "Eteri crimes", you don't have to worry so much. Someone here accused her of a "crime"? Who is this scoundrel?

 

[flanker]

There are no "Eteri crimes", you don't have to worry so much. Someone here accused her of a "crime"? Who is this scoundrel?

No, not again

There was a pupil in the basic school with me. He sometimes hit someone, kicked him, shoved him, then the other one fought back, and then when was asked to explain why he fought back and said "he provoked me", that pupil was willing to admit that he maybe shoved him but never provoked.

 

[Tolstoj]

TT is "the main beneficiary" because they are the best. How dare they!

Exactly they are doing so great they don't need that!

Khromykh losing the medal for once and deservedly since that free was atrocious, would have changed nothing on the power of that team since at the same event Shcherbakova won, Akatieva won at the previous one and the one after.

So why you have to pretend it's always a landslide victory between them and the others even when it's not the case?

Everybody knows that, except our football union (not that nobody wouldn't tell them). The point is it doesn't matter what you want, but what you do for it.


You truly remind me the "variant b" I mentioned earlier - according to you Gorshkov just suddenly pointed at Eteri's team in a list of schools and said "since now you will start to overscore them because... I like Eteri's fashion."

Cmon we all watched ladies figure skating development in Russia these years, we know it's not like that!

Eteri Tutberidze gained this status over the year showing consistent results, but once you get there, then you start to benefit from that bonus mark. Prior to her CSKA was the one in this position getting inflation left and right even without the results.

However there were instances where other non-Eteri skaters were better and did better at the event but didn't get the mark because it was always all about Eteri Tutberidze and her skaters even in the rare occasions where they failed.

Imagine being the non Eteri skater who DID better at that event, skated clean while the other didn't and somehow you still lose because you're not in the "right" team. Frustrating to say the least.

It's not Eteri's fault but rather a corrupted system run by the Federation which ISU is somehow okay since Lakernik is part of it.

 

[JazzUp]

It's not Eteri's fault but rather a corrupted system

so maybe, just maybe, it would be better to open a new thread and incessantly whine about it discuss it there?

a corrupted system run by the Federation which ISU is somehow okay since Lakernik is part of it.

of course, this type of "corrupted system" exists only in Russia, right?

 

[flanker]

Exactly they are doing so great they don't need that!

Khromykh losing the medal for once and deservedly since that free was atrocious, would have changed nothing on the power of that team since at the same event Shcherbakova won, Akatieva won at the previous one and the one after.

So why you have to pretend it's always a landslide victory between them and the others even when it's not the case?


Cmon we all watched ladies figure skating development in Russia these years, we know it's not like that!

Eteri Tutberidze gained this status over the year showing consistent results, but once you get there, then you start to benefit from that bonus mark. Prior to her CSKA was the one in this position getting inflation left and right even without the results.

However there were instances where other non-Eteri skaters were better and did better at the event but didn't get the mark because it was always all about Eteri Tutberidze and her skaters even in the rare occasions where they failed.

Imagine being the non Eteri skater who DID better at that event, skated clean while the other didn't and somehow you still lose because you're not in the "right" team. Frustrating to say the least.

It's not Eteri's fault but rather a corrupted system run by the Federation which ISU is somehow okay since Lakernik is part of it.

I can imagine being an Eteri skater on whom people endlessly scream "you gained the medal only because of the corruption". That must be frustrating to say at least.

 

[Skatesocs]

so maybe, just maybe, it would be better to open a new thread and incessantly whine about it discuss it there?


of course, this type of "corrupted system" exists only in Russia, right?

I agree here. I expect it's been discussed ad nauseam on the forum, but the corrupt feds ruining skating has been an issue from every big fed for a really long time. Worth a new thread.

 

[Fried]

so maybe, just maybe, it would be better to open a new thread and incessantly whine about it discuss it there?

I agree! Ultimately, this thread is about Plushenko's lies, about the fact that everyone who leaves Eteri a) wears a crown and b) bites the dust and finally about 11-year-old skaters who switch from AoP to TT and get a 3A there without Rozanov.

 

[Skatesocs]

Yeah, anyway. Someone should gather the Russian ladies assigned to the senior GP.

 

[Vlad Karigov]

Honestly why do they waste their keyboard responding to the plushyboys when it is known that their only argument to defend Plushenko as a coach is that he was a great skater and that he brought the skaters to his camp based on promises of sponsorships and publicity.

Plushenko was always dedicated to training children of millionaire parents, so Tarakanova did not have a real track where to train. They believe that Plushenko's form of business is going to change, if he looked for it he would form a name from below like any real coach, he would not go hunting for the specialists and skaters of the most successful camps of today ...

 

[sparklestan]

Soooo... GP assignments are out. Not a surprise, 3 international girls who train in Russia and the national team, minus Ksenia Sinitsyna.
As a Ksenia fan I’m really sad to see her missing out on all these opportunities. I hope she’s ok and we’ll get to see her skate again soon.

 

[lopsilceci]

Kromykh losing the medal for once and deservedly since that free was atrocious, would have changed nothing on the power of that team since at the same event Shcherbakova won, Akatieva won at the previous one and the one after.

You're exaggerating. Kromykh's free wasn't "atrocious". It wasn't her best but she didn't bomb either. Other skaters had better presentation but in the end it's about getting the most tech points and pcs in both segments and Maya did that.
It's not like anyone else was robbed of a medal or something.

Imagine being the non Eteri skater who DID better at that event, skated clean while the other didn't and somehow you still lose because you're not in the "right" team. Frustrating to say the least.

Who skated clean here with better content than Maya?

 

[Supernovaimplosion]

Don't Russian skaters get byes to nationals if they compete in the Grand Prix? I can't remember.