2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[plushyfan]

Sorry guys, but I must show it
I'm not an expert, most of the time I can't see the difference but in this video it's clear.. Is this fault or not? This must be punished by the judges or not?

 

[nussnacker]

Yes, you're right, it is a confirmation of something many people suspected. Still, I seem to recall Plushenko has confirmed it already in some interview. I think he said something like they had it organized with Rozanov being sort of the main coach for Alyona while him and Dima for Sasha. That's why it does not really seem that new to me. But it is just an impression, I might be wrong.
As for whys, we can just guess, and our guesses may be right or wrong...
Still it might be temporary, you never know.

can you link that article? I don't recall him commenting on that, perhaps I've missed it.

 

[AshWagsFan]

Sorry guys, but I must show it
I'm not an expert, most of the time I can't see the difference but in this video it's clear.. This is fault or not? This must be punished by the judges or not?

Unfortunately, this is the new norm in skating. It gives results, so they won’t change it. It still could potentially lead to them having technical issues in the future, but since even younger girls will replace them before they lose everything, it will be more difficult to notice.

EDIT: this is not the skaters’ faults! This also does not take away from theor sheer amount of talent or amazing things they’re doing!

 

[Chinrosy]

My concern is that Plushenko's school still doesn't have second ice... When Tarakanova left, she said Plushenko promised to arrange another ice asap.
Apparently, they have much more students than before, how can he schedule training for each team? Maybe the excellent students deserve more attention, but it doesn't mean they can take more time on ice than other students. Plushenko welcome all athletes to his school but may not guarantee good teaching quality and time for them, this is "cheating"...
As for Sasha, she is a real star now, she can do whatever she wants to do. But during this tough period, consistency may be more important than ever before, especially considering she might reach the age of puberty. An experienced coach is better than a famous Olympic champion.
To be honest, Plushenko is a novice when it comes to teaching... He has never focused on coach work, it looks like he loves camera and marketing more. The coaches must always focus on students and improve their techniques. Even though I don't like Eteri regarding her personality, I respect her focus and innovation. Her team improves all the time.

 

[Fried]

My concern is that Plushenko's school still doesn't have second ice... When Tarakanova left, she said Plushenko promised to arrange another ice asap.
Apparently, they have much more students than before, how can he schedule training for each team? Maybe the excellent students deserve more attention, but it doesn't mean they can take more time on ice than other students. Plushenko welcome all athletes to his school but may not guarantee good teaching quality and time for them, this is "cheating"...
As for Sasha, she is a real star now, she can do whatever she wants to do. But during this tough period, consistency may be more important than ever before, especially considering she might reach the age of puberty. An experienced coach is better than a famous Olympic champion.
To be honest, Plushenko is a novice when it comes to teaching... He has never focused on coach work, it looks like he loves camera and marketing more. The coaches must always focus on students and improve their techniques. Even though I don't like Eteri regarding her personality, I respect her focus and innovation. Her team improves all the time.

I just have a dejavu. Does everything start all over again now? This thread is so exhausting.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

Sorry guys, but I must show it
I'm not an expert, most of the time I can't see the difference but in this video it's clear.. This is fault or not? This must be punished by the judges or not?

Maybe you are going to be surprised by it (I was totally shocked when I found out), but Plushenko's flip and lutz are not with textbook technique either. They are not purely toe pick assisted like the flip and the lutz of Yuzuru Hanyu, Nathan Chen, Boyang Jin, Mikhail Kolyada, Yuna Kim, Carolina Kostner, Miki Ando, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, Veronika Zhilina, Alexia Paganini, Maria Artemieva, Tomoe Kawabata, Polina Tsurskaya, Anastasiya Tarakanova...
Both Plushenko and Alina Zagitova cannot jump flip and lutz with perfect technique. However, they are much better than Shcherbakova and Valieva, for example. Shcherbakova is twisting and bending, twisting and bending... Also, it seems that Zagitova and Plushenko pre-rotate much less.
So far the skater with the best technique (flip and lutz) which is not textbook is Kostornaya. She pre-rotates about 90 degrees, she is using mainly the toe pick and her body is always upright (not twisting and bending like crazy). I watched so many of her programs in slow motion. After Shcherbakova and Yuna Kim, she is the skater I have watched in slow motion the most.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

My concern is that Plushenko's school still doesn't have second ice... When Tarakanova left, she said Plushenko promised to arrange another ice asap.

Tarakanova's time at AoP was in a different rink (the smaller non-standard one that is now used by another club, Army of Skaters). Soon after that, AoP is moved to a standard-size rink (I think it has 2 ice pads but not sure). Plushenko is building a second rink which contains 2 ice pads (I think because their current location isn't as convenient). So currently they have 1-2 full-size pads which is on par with most other clubs.

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

My concern is that Plushenko's school still doesn't have second ice... When Tarakanova left, she said Plushenko promised to arrange another ice asap.
Apparently, they have much more students than before, how can he schedule training for each team? Maybe the excellent students deserve more attention, but it doesn't mean they can take more time on ice than other students. Plushenko welcome all athletes to his school but may not guarantee good teaching quality and time for them, this is "cheating"...
As for Sasha, she is a real star now, she can do whatever she wants to do. But during this tough period, consistency may be more important than ever before, especially considering she might reach the age of puberty. An experienced coach is better than a famous Olympic champion.
To be honest, Plushenko is a novice when it comes to teaching... He has never focused on coach work, it looks like he loves camera and marketing more. The coaches must always focus on students and improve their techniques. Even though I don't like Eteri regarding her personality, I respect her focus and innovation. Her team improves all the time.

This is for you:
Translated from a Russian site:
Eteri's students often have a problem with the lutz edge, but Zhilina has no problems with this.
In the video posted on Evgeny Plushenko's Instagram, Nika jumps with the cleanest outside edge and rotates the whole jump in the air, without rotating first on the ice. In the Tutberidze group, they often try to simplify the technique, because of that the quality of the element may suffer. So Lutz Veronica would hardly have been able to show, staying in "Khrustalny".

 

[Flying Feijoa]

I just have a dejavu. Does everything start all over again now? This thread is so exhausting.

It's a proxy for the real world... for those who have the energy, it's good training for practicing critical thinking/evaluating source reliability/identifying media manipulation techniques Sometimes though, I'm just looking for escapism from today's polarised reality so I watch small fed/random club skaters instead

 

[Chinrosy]

Tarakanova's time at AoP was in a different rink (the smaller non-standard one that is now used by another club, Army of Skaters). Soon after that, AoP is moved to a standard-size rink (I think it has 2 ice pads but not sure). Plushenko is building a second rink which contains 2 ice pads (I think because their current location isn't as convenient). So currently they have 1-2 full-size pads which is on par with most other clubs.

Thanks for explanation
I’m looking forward to his progress, less drama, more work, he has two excellent skaters now, don’t let the stars fall.

 

[lesnar001]

Sorry guys, but I must show it
I'm not an expert, most of the time I can't see the difference but in this video it's clear.. This is fault or not? This must be punished by the judges or not?

Sorry if I'm a little suspicious of your motives for posting this.
Maybe you are really a disciple of "perfect lutz technique" and "mininmal pre-rotation". If so, I apologize in advance.
So let'st start with 3 skaters of the past (one the distant past) noted for their lutzes - even back in their day.
And wow - what a coincidence! lets contrast them with 3 skaters of a coach who is in involved in a "war" with your favroite.
I guess I should be happy they weren't compared to Jin Boyang this time.

There seems to be a distrubin trend now on GS to posting these "expert analysis" from any Tom Dick or Harry on the internet.
Yet we have members here who have actual knowledge of jumping technique. Some I believe actually skate.
And they have posted here - some as recently as yesterday.
Maybe they need to post in 0.25 speed and use some sort of cheap music to garner more attention?

I miss the good old days where the mere mention of a certain youtube "expert" would earn you a slap on the wrist here.

 

[plushyfan]

My concern is that Plushenko's school still doesn't have second ice... When Tarakanova left, she said Plushenko promised to arrange another ice asap.
Apparently, they have much more students than before, how can he schedule training for each team? Maybe the excellent students deserve more attention, but it doesn't mean they can take more time on ice than other students. Plushenko welcome all athletes to his school but may not guarantee good teaching quality and time for them, this is "cheating"...
As for Sasha, she is a real star now, she can do whatever she wants to do. But during this tough period, consistency may be more important than ever before, especially considering she might reach the age of puberty. An experienced coach is better than a famous Olympic champion.
To be honest, Plushenko is a novice when it comes to teaching... He has never focused on coach work, it looks like he loves camera and marketing more. The coaches must always focus on students and improve their techniques. Even though I don't like Eteri regarding her personality, I respect her focus and innovation. Her team improves all the time.

Plushenko moved from the little ice- rink to a well-sized one in May 2019. (Tarakanova went back to the little ice-rink two weeks ago ) He builds two new ice-rinks. One of those new rinks is going to open in November. That will be a very complex building with everything what is good for the athletes. The skaters have team doctor https://www.instagram.com/p/CFfIkIJhOSI/, masseur now he knows what athletes need to rehabilitate more easily.

 

[plushyfan]

Tarakanova's time at AoP was in a different rink (the smaller non-standard one that is now used by another club, Army of Skaters). Soon after that, AoP is moved to a standard-size rink (I think it has 2 ice pads but not sure). Plushenko is building a second rink which contains 2 ice pads (I think because their current location isn't as convenient). So currently they have 1-2 full-size pads which is on par with most other clubs.

No. The AOP has one pad. Two new buildings, new rinks are going to open on different places.

 

[plushyfan]

Maybe you are going to be surprised by it (I was totally shocked when I found out), but Plushenko's flip and lutz are not with textbook technique either.

Yes, I read it already.

 

[Chinrosy]

This is for you:
Translated from a Russian site:
Eteri's students often have a problem with the lutz edge, but Zhilina has no problems with this.
In the video posted on Evgeny Plushenko's Instagram, Nika jumps with the cleanest outside edge and rotates the whole jump in the air, without rotating first on the ice. In the Tutberidze group, they often try to simplify the technique, because of that the quality of the element may suffer. So Lutz Veronica would hardly have been able to show, staying in "Khrustalny".

What I’m saying is that the team is always improving. Nika’s Lutz was trained by Team Eteri, there was a progress, right? Why do you think she got her lutz clean as soon as she entered Plushenko’s school? So ridiculous. Meanwhile, Sergi’s coaching experience is gained in Team Eteri, his techniques are from Team Eteri. Why not think dialectically?
I don’t want to criticize any team, coach or athlete. No one is perfect. In this case, I think experience is important. Apparently, Plushenko is lack of coaching experience. That’s all I can say. I’m looking forward to his progress.
Btw, if you don’t think Team Eteri is improving. Please explain why Anna, Aliona, Sasha, Kamila, Akatyeva make their techniques better and better?
I don’t like any arguements about who is best or worst. I just want to see every team improve their techniques and choreography. And fortunately, they are making progress.

 

[plushyfan]

Sorry if I'm a little suspicious of your motives for posting this.
Maybe you are really a disciple of "perfect lutz technique" and "mininmal pre-rotation". If so, I apologize in advance.
So let'st start with 3 skaters of the past (one the distant past) noted for their lutzes - even back in their day.
And wow - what a coincidence! lets contrast them with 3 skaters of a coach who is in involved in a "war" with your favroite.
I guess I should be happy they weren't compared to Jin Boyang this time.

There seems to be a distrubin trend now on GS to posting these "expert analysis" from any Tom Dick or Harry on the internet.
Yet we have members here who have actual knowledge of jumping technique. Some I believe actually skate.
And they have posted here - some as recently as yesterday.
Maybe they need to post in 0.25 speed and use some sort of cheap music to garner more attention?

I miss the good old days where the mere mention of a certain youtube "expert" would earn you a slap on the wrist here.

I read such opinions everywhere...on IG, YT, forums...But I can't see it most of the time. I wonder if the judges should be punished or not. If they don’t have to, it’s completely unnecessary to talk about it and end of the story.

 

[plushyfan]

What I’m saying is that the team is always improving. Nika’s Lutz was trained by Team Eteri, there was a progress, right? Why do you think she got her lutz clean as soon as she entered Plushenko’s school? So ridiculous. Meanwhile, Sergi’s coaching experience is gained in Team Eteri, his techniques are from Team Eteri. Why not think dialectically?
I don’t want to criticize any team, coach or athlete. No one is perfect. In this case, I think experience is important. Apparently, Plushenko is lack of coaching experience. That’s all I can say. I’m looking forward to his progress.
Btw, if you don’t think Team Eteri is improving. Please explain why Anna, Aliona, Sasha, Kamila, Akatyeva make their techniques better and better? Do not let prejudice blind your eyes.

Eteri didn't work with Nika at all. She was working with her mother and with Rozanov at Khristalny.

Коган: в планах проведения соревнований по фигурному катанию в Москве изменений нет

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Kogan: there are no changes in plans for holding figure skating competitions in Moscow ​

 

[Chinrosy]

Eteri didn't work with Nika at all. She was working with her mother and with Rozanov at Khristalny.

I said team Eteri. Did Rozanov work for Team Eteri before? Did he gain all these coaching techniques from Team Eteri and become a good coach?
And according to your logic, Nika should thank Roznov, not Plushenko, lmao So, it's not Plushnko's success. He is a successful skater with little coaching experience. Why do you guys deny the truth? Again, I'm not disgracing him

 

[lopsilceci]

Remember when Plush said that Sasha and Alyona had no problems training with each other or anyone else? I guess it wasn't true after all.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

I wondered for a bit how some Georgian boy had become a Russian Lady until I figured out you weren't talking about Nika Egadze