2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[McBibus]

What a terrible and disrespectful audience today. While Aliona was in the KnC they shouted to her "Liza was better, Liza first. Liza Liza Liza".

we have hooligans and it's not evena popolar team sport
Education and respect is under sea level.

 

[flanker]

Why would someone manipulate a score that won't change the outcome of a standalone event?

We know (too bad) that politic is played between federations and between clubs, but I agree with you that coaches should not publicy talk about over/underscoring.
The most important thing to me is to leave the skaters out of it. They go out, do their best and get judged.
They play no part in it and it's always sad when somebody cross the line from saying "I think XXX should have been called for </!" to call him/her a cheater.

not referring to the two of you of course

Too bad he didn't leave the skaters out of it.

 

[McBibus]

When Plushenko raised his hands and urged the public to support his skater to the detriment of the Tutberidze skaters (as if was in a soccer game) I did not read a single "terrible, disrespectful or disgusting" around here ... In the end the only person responsible for all this is Plushenko himself, he was the promoter that people took the side of the girls who put ultra elements in their skating, Liza landed 3 times 3A... You can not complain that the same public that he incited now asks the judges to win Liza

so you enlist into the hooligans
nice to know

 

[silveruskate]

Hearts must have broken this past week.

- Aliona and Sasha interacting and getting on well.
- Aliona saying how much she still needs to improve with skating-skills, and being a gracious loser.
- Sasha making a brave face for her results.

Where are the Divas? What about the spoiled-brats we were promised? All of this drama some people were pinning their hearts on doesn't exist unfortunately.

 

[Fluture]

it's not evena popolar team sport

Doesn't stop people from trying to make it one with all those "Team Tutberidze vs. Team Plushenko vs. Team Mishin vs, Team Whoever". It was the same at the 2019 test skates when Zagitova and Medvedeva fans each kept trying to outscream the other group. Terrible and so distracting for all the skaters. I mean, I'm happy these girls have passionate defenders but there's a line that's been crossed multiple times unfortunately. Today that was one of them. Just because you think Liza should win doesn't mean you should be disrespectful to her competitor. The girls, after all, are always more classy than this.

 

[McBibus]

So much respect for Tuk! This woman has been though so many ups and downs during her career and it always makes me happy to see her do well.

Liza deserved this.
She never gave up and reworked all her skating

 

[Fluture]

Hearts must have broken this past week.

- Aliona and Sasha interacting and getting on well.
- Aliona saying how much she still needs to improve with skating-skills, and being a gracious loser.
- Sasha making a brave face for her results.

Where are the Divas? What about the spoiled-brats we were promised? All of this drama some people were pinning their hearts on doesn't exist unfortunately.

Hearing Aliona say she was happy for Tuktamysheva; didn't expect to win and got the scores she deserved made me think of that one particular poster who wanted to "teach" Aliona sportsmanship. Well. Look at that. I bet there will be no comment this time.

 

[Scott512]

I mean, Rostelecom is a senior GP event, and skaters under the senior age limit can't skate there. That's always how it's been for ISU senior grand prix events. Juniors have often skated in the gala for senior events, so this isn't something new.

Well because of covid I would cancel the gala and not let any fans in for that. It's too much a risk of covid to have something that's unimportant and meaningless as a gala. Sorry. But this is the world we live in.

 

[Myr]

Wow, Tuktamisheva was on fire today! That performance was her best in quite some time. Loved the energy of the audience, by the end it became nearly impossible to hear the music Kostornaia may not have been perfect but I greatly enjoyed her skate.

I thought for sure that the judges would give Kostornaia the number one spot but am very happy that that wasn't the case. Congratulations to Guliakova for her well deserved third place!

Poor Trusova and Samodurova, they are both great (albeit quite different) skaters, this was really not their day. I'm rooting for them at nationals.

 

[yume]

Umm, except this isn't 1 bad competition or a strange off-day for Trusova, this was just another occurrence to be added to her list of poor performances along with the GPF last year as well Europeans and Nationals, she wasn't exactly fantastic at her cup event a few weeks ago either....

I'm not going to say she's done that's dumb to say, but it seems clear after today that her issues with performing cleanly have not gone away, when the lights come on competition time she's struggling to deliver. That could be a problem for her especially if it repeats at Nationals and/or the Cup final, and if there is no Europeans or Worlds this year for her to possibly show up big and perform well, that means she'll go into next year having to fight and prove that she doesn't falter under pressure because the coaches council is likely to have plenty of quality skaters with quads and/or triple axels to replace her with for Europeans/Worlds/Olympics teams even if she finishes the 2022 Nationals on the podium.

Maybe it's time to work with a sport psychologist.

She maybe have the unbeatable who got beaten syndrome.

That confidence issue is there maybe since her last junior season.
I mean in her 1st junior season she was unbeatable. Even though she botched the quad all the season, she was consistent on triples and was always winning with big margin. But that Kosto's win at JGPF with big margin due to pcs may have shaken things. She started to do more mistakes.

When she's against opponents who have realistic chances to win if she falls, she gets nervous.
If Kostornaya didn't have that 8 points lead maybe Trusova would have been more relaxed like at 4th stage CoR.

 

[withwings]

Hearts must have broken this past week.

- Aliona and Sasha interacting and getting on well.
- Aliona saying how much she still needs to improve with skating-skills, and being a gracious loser.
- Sasha making a brave face for her results.

Where are the Divas? What about the spoiled-brats we were promised? All of this drama some people were pinning their hearts on doesn't exist unfortunately.

Of course, all that has been nothing else than patological politics under the disguise of figure skating. And purposeful attempt to manipulate, influence some naive fans.

 

[Vlad Karigov]

This if is disgusting (min 59:56)... to see a coach provoking the crowd as if he were a hooligan ... this will never be seen in any decent coach, outside or inside Russia ... Now with what authority is he going to claim if he is the only promoter of the toxic environment that is beginning to be seen in Russian skating...

 

[Amei]

Well because of covid I would cancel the gala and not let any fans in for that. It's too much a risk of covid to have something that's unimportant and meaningless as a gala. Sorry. But this is the world we live in.

With the exception of the skate around at the end where they all show off 1 element, this is no different than the competition, and if we are being honest figure skating in the grand scheme of things is unimportant and meaningless, so if the competition is okay to go on then so is the gala.

 

[silveruskate]

Maybe it's time to work with a sport psychologist.

She maybe have the unbeatable who got beaten syndrom.

That confidence issue is there maybe since her last junior season.
I mean in her 1st junior season she was unbeatable. Even though she botched the quad all the season, she was consistent on triples and was always winning with big margin. But that Kosto's win at JGPF with big margin due to pcs may have shaken things. She started to do more mistakes.

When she's against opponents who have realistic chances to win if she falls, she gets nervous.
If Kostornaya didn't have that 8 points lead maybe Trusova would have been more relaxed like at 4th stage CoR.

I agree. And Sasha needs to get used to skating clean programs. How can she have any belief? Then I think the psychology happens during the skate (like Stage 4). "Wow I did the 4S and 4Lz clean, why haven't I fallen yet? Maybe I'm going to fall on the 4T this time." Loses concentration then falls on 4T. "Now order is restored."

 

[nussnacker]

It’s interesting that after the quarantine it seems like skaters might have different success with different jumps. Anna didn’t have as much confidence in her 4F last season, but this season it’s a more confident jump for her than 4Lz, she landed it both times.
With Sasha it seems like 4S looks easier than 4Lz which really used to be her super reliable jump.
Makes me think, perhaps Aliona should try to focus on learning a new jump? I get that 3A is important because of the sp, but perhaps she’ll have a better success learning a quad now and then it will also help her with 3A?

 

[jvpiter]

I’m so happy for Liza! Truly an inspiration on perseverance, grit and hard work. That first 3A was a beauty and tonight she sold her programme and performance very well. What a great outing for Liza!

Also very proud of Alyona for improving since the fourth stage of the Cup of Russia and delivering two fine programmes. The SP is slowly growing on me, the FS not so much, but oh well, this season is weird and atypical anyway. It’s not quite there yet, but I’m sure it will be come Nationals and they’ll work on bringing the stsq and spins up to level 4. Her skating skills are fantastic and I absolutely believe she can do it. (I just wish they’d at least change the colour of her FS dress — the design is fine, but that pink or mauve is ghastly and I hate it.)

Congratulations to Anastasia for a surprise bronze medal and for a great performance on the FS. I loved it!!

Sasha… oh dear. Tonight was painful to watch. If it’s due to injury, I wish her a speedy recovery. If not, I really want to believe she just had a bad day and will bounce back in no time.

 

[Resa]

Falls cost -2 after the first 2 falls, so she lost -1 for the 4S, -1 for the 4Lz, -2 for the first 4T and then -2 for the last 3Lz.

But I thought that she didn't fall on the 4sal because neither her knees nor her butt touched the ice

 

[McBibus]

Hearing Aliona say she was happy for Tuktamysheva; didn't expect to win and got the scores she deserved made me think of that one particular poster who wanted to "teach" Aliona sportsmanship. Well. Look at that. I bet there will be no comment this time.

it's not his fault that she's a fast learner

 

[nussnacker]

I agree. And Sasha needs to get used to skating clean programs. How can she have any belief? Then I think the psychology happens during the skate (like Stage 4). "Wow I did the 4S and 4Lz clean, why haven't I fallen yet? Maybe I'm going to fall on the 4T this time." Loses concentration then falls on 4T. "Now order is restored."

She said last year that she needs to be able to have room for mistakes, that’s when she feels more confident and that’s why she always wanted to have more and more quads. To be frank, at her last stage I was starting to believe that this is indeed true for her: she fell 2 times, but landed more quads than previously.
Now I am again not sure about that strategy of hers, I too think she has to get used to skating everything 100%, it will be very important for the most important competition of their lives, the Olympics.

 

[Edwin]

Well,

She maybe have the unbeatable who got beaten syndrome.

The girl that defied gravity?
Mr Trusov will likely have a good word about his daughter, and perhaps even use some 'hard' arguments?

When Aleksandra continues to say "I don't know what happened", will a sports psychologist even be able to help her when ambitions clash and a parent has to step in to protect their child?

I gather at the root of the departure from Khrustalniy lies parental interference in routine composition and malcontent over the staff not giving in. Then bring your child to a commercial rink where you are the customer king and can dictate the staff to deliver what you've paid them for?

A very dire situation has now arisen, I'd think.