2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[gsk8]

The poster just had an opinion about it, why some people here are acting as if everyone, who's kindly translating articles, is supposed to be a professional journalist, providing valuable analysis of those articles and should have a neutral opinion about all of those translated pieces?

GS has always appreciated, welcomed, and even award for translations on GS. In addition, there is no reason why a poster cannot give their personal opinion on it as well. However, this was not the case.

BTW, has anyone heard from Moriel?

 

[anonymoose_au]

Putting it in quotes doesn't make any difference. It's clear JazzUp just wants to slam Plushenko because they think he's a worthless coach.

It obviously made their week to post something and say "Ha ha Plushenko is a moron."

Them providing a translation doesn't change the nastiness and they don't get a pass.

If they can't provide a translation without being a jerk then don't bother at all.

 

[Decoder]

Don't worry, the poster was forced to post a link to the real article afterwards.

Why are you so offensive?

 

[nussnacker]

GS has always appreciated, welcomed, and even award for translations on GS. In addition, there is no reason why a poster cannot give their personal opinion on it as well. However, this was not the case.

BTW, has anyone heard from Moriel?

Being realistic, I genuinely think no one thought the 'newbie coach' or 'ultimatum' thing was coming from Rusfed themselves.
Again, perhaps the user should've made it clearer that it's what he thinks it was, but I really doubt majority was thinking Rusfed actually was using that verbiage.

 

[gsk8]

Look at the format of JazzUp's post (the poster's words in Italic):

RusFed basically issues an ultimatum to the 'newbie coach':

It is obvious to me that he's expressing his opinion on the quoted content. There is nothing misleading here.
I understand that you probably wanted to help clarify things a little, particularly because people here all have strong opinions on almost everything. To me it is a normal post, people may like or dislike the opinion, read/discuss or ignore the quotes, ...

Not when you read the entire sentence, which confused other posters as well. It's not about putting "newbie coach" in quotes, but the entire sentence in context: "RusFed basically issues an ultimatum to the 'newbie coach'"

This comes across as a statement, not an opinion.

 

[Skatesocs]

That's exactly what it is. I publish what I see and what I hear in a press conference or what skaters, coaches, etc. actually say. I don't put a biased or tabloid preface to it. That's unprofessional.

Yes, I agree that a journalist has a code of ethics.

However, the poster made it appear that somone in the Russian Fed said that "a newbie coach" was given an "ultimatum", when in fact, that was not the case.

Their post did cause some confusion, it is true. From my PoV, their initial statement and the translation didn't make congruent sense, so I was curious if there was an entire article. I don't know if they were trying to pull anything, but I do think the way they wrote it left some confused.

I can see why you think it wasn't right though, since you think they were misrepresenting the article. I'm not sure I have anything to add

 

[Magill]

Since Mr. Gsk8 mentioned tabloid journalism and how things are 'reported', I had an impression that your discussion was about the objectivity of the claim made by the poster, so my point would be it was not meant as an objective claim to begin with, it was meant to be a subjective opinion of a forum poster, which you either agree or disagree with. That's all. There's nothing really to discuss, it's what he personally thought that PR person meant to say, some people will rightfully think otherwise. It would be worth to share opinions about the article itself, rather than disect and overanalyze someone's subjective reaction.

Just like you won't analyze why some internet user thinks Anjelina Jolie is ugly/pretty.

Actually by telling us what a poster meant or did not mean, you do exactly what you advise us not to do i.e. "overanalyze someone's subjective reaction". I don't. To me the question is not what they meant or did not mean to say but what they did say and whether RusFed ultimately issued an ultimatum or not. These are facts which may be established. Whether the claim was meant as communicating an objective fact or a subjective opinion is basically irrelevant as it regarded an occurrence (or not) of an objective fact. And it seems it was false.
But, overall, let me repeat, much ado about nothing.

 

[nussnacker]

Actually by telling us what a poster meant or did not mean, you do exactly what you advise us not to do i.e. "overanalyze someone's subjective reaction". I don't. To me the question is not what they meant or did not mean to say but what they did say and whether RusFed ultimately issued an ultimatum or not. These are facts which may be established. Whether the claim was meant as communicating an objective fact or a subjective opinion is basically irrelevant.
But, overall, let me repeat, much ado about nothing.

No, I am simply repeating what that poster already posted multiple times by now: he confirmed a few times it was just his opinion.

 

[flanker]

Don't worry, the poster was forced to post a link to the real article afterwards.

Was forced by a dark magic, probably

Twist it like you want, but there was no fabrication, therefore nothing wrong happened and such words from you don't help anything.

 

[silveruskate]

Was forced by a dark magic, probably

Twist it like you want, but it's a translation of a statement, not a fabrication, therefore nothing wrong happened and such words from you doesn't help anything.

The poster was literally forced to provide a link to the actual article by a moderator which is why I told another poster I didn't need the link to the article they kindly provided. Didn't know emotions run so high in this thread given the words thrown around here about skaters. What I said was very tame.

Splicing an article to suit your needs leaving out important context *is a fabrication* to me, so you saying nothing wrong happened doesn't really mean a lot for me.

 

[gsk8]

My intention was not to go off topic. Only to clarify what I thought was a statement. Please refrain from insulting and/or calling out other members.

 

[Skatesocs]

Well change of topic. When's the fifth round of Russia Cup, and who's in it?

Early predictions?

 

[nussnacker]

Well change of topic. When's the fifth round of Russia Cup, and who's in it?

Early predictions?

Tuktik, Kamila, Aliona as main contenders for the podium.
I believe Mishin's Anastasia G., and Anastasia Tarakanova also will be making appearance.

Prediction wise, actually, all 3 can realistically battle for gold. Unpredictable at this point, Liza looks to be in a good shape, Kamila had a bad free last time, so not sure what to expect, and Aliona will go for a safe layout, so when the other two don't deliver on big jumps (which is quite possible for both), she can outscore them.

 

[gsk8]

Article coming soon on Anastasiia Guliakova!

 

[Skatesocs]

Prediction wise, actually, all 3 can realistically battle for gold. Unpredictable at this point, Liza looks to be in a good shape, Kamila had a bad free last time, so not sure what to expect, and Aliona will go for a safe layout, so when the other two don't deliver on big jumps (which is quite possible for both), she can outscore them.

Seems promising! Though I'd love to see Valieva land a 4T like that again.

 

[silveruskate]

I think the Bonus point system works really well for Valieva because of her incredible spins. She already has 6 extra points secured there. She also had major uncharacteristic errors in the FS which I don't think will happen again so I'm saying gold for her.

Considering what happened at Rostelecom, the battle between Liza and Aliona will be so interesting, I'm excited! Liza would have had 4 extra points if it was a Stage competition so it's even more of a hill to climb for Aliona in my opinion. Then again Aliona is more consistent generally so silver for her just because. Liza at bronze.

 

[flanker]

Well change of topic. When's the fifth round of Russia Cup, and who's in it?

Early predictions?

December 5-8.

Predictions:

In seniors the main competition will be between Kostornaia, Valieva and after the Rostelecom also Tuktamysveva's chances can't be ignored. My estimation is that Kostornaia won't restore her 3A into the competitive form yet, but even without it she had higher score at the stage 4 than Tuktamysheva at Rostelecom. It's of course only a vague comparison, but it shows she can aspire for victory. As for Valieva, with her it will depend on how clean she can be. If she will skate as she did at the gala in sunday, I doubt she could be defeated, but but it seems she sometimes can be too nervous. Tuktamysheva's performace from the Rostelecom will be probably her golden standard, unless she adds her quad into the program I don't think she can perform better currently.

In juniors the big draw will be between Petrosian and Zhilina. Veronika already does quads, though her attempt at the previous stage was unsuccesful. She also did 4Lz in training if I'm not mistaken. Adeliya has shown very good skating at the stage four, though not without mistakes in the free program. Recently she added 4T into her portfolio, but I don't know whether it's competition ready.

 

[Lzbee]

What are the rules for ultra-c bonuses in the russian cup? Does it just need to be landed or do they need high goe as well?

 

[nussnacker]

What are the rules for ultra-c bonuses in the russian cup? Does it just need to be landed or do they need high goe as well?

For ladies: 3A and quads receive +2 points, if performed for non-negative GOE. Even 0 as GOE would suffice to earn bonus points. For men a little more complicated, they have to have 4-3 combos to earn bonuses or perform 4Lo, 4F or 4Lz, but same principle regarding GOE applies.

 

[gsk8]

Many posts were removed as they have used my post as a platform to start another flame war.

Stop it.