Evan looking good!!!!
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I have my own list of top 10 skaters or teams in their respective disciplines.
Evan, although not my favorite, is on my list of top 10 Men in no particular order. I like to watch my top 10 skate.
I also have a list of junior potentials but, unfortunately, I don't see the world wide field of junior skaters (just snippets here and there)
Joe
Evan, although not my favorite, is on my list of top 10 Men in no particular order. I like to watch my top 10 skate.
I also have a list of junior potentials but, unfortunately, I don't see the world wide field of junior skaters (just snippets here and there)
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I never did like the name "Flip" for a jump, but "Mapes" is just terrible.
OMFG...I just laughed so hard my side starting hurting (granted, it's been sore anyway from practice, but that was too funny).
OMFG...I just laughed so hard my side starting hurting (granted, it's been sore anyway from practice, but that was too funny).
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She seems to be having a lot of trouble with her triple jumps. Now having trouble with doubles. That does not sound good.
I think it is great that Evan is trying to add to technical side. To me he looks a person who works hard and is ambitious. That already is one very good combination, and I have belief in Evan´s success this season. To that success I don´t necessarily count US Nationals, the main thing is that he gets sent to Worlds, LOL.
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Since the U.S. has three men's spots at Worlds, I don't think there is much of a chance that Evan will be left off the world team no matter what he does at Nationals.
I am more interested in seeing if Evan can build up any momentum in the Grand Prix. Can he make a statement by beating Takahashi at Skate America (with the home court advantage)? If Lambiel has a slow start, could Evan win Cup of China?
I have never been one to think that there is only one competiton a year (Worlds). I think skaters have a right to feel proud of their other accomplishments as well, like Irina Slutskaya winning Europeans seven times. That rocks!
Nationals? Maribel Vinson-Owens won 9 U.S. chamiponships in singles and 6 in pairs.
Katy Taylor won the 2006 Four Continents Championship.
For that matter, Sima and Amir Ganaba won the 1999 U.S. junior pairs championship with one of the coolest performances ever. (Evan Lysacek won the gold in boys' Novices at that competition. 
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I am more interested in seeing if Evan can build up any momentum in the Grand Prix. Can he make a statement by beating Takahashi at Skate America (with the home court advantage)? If Lambiel has a slow start, could Evan win Cup of China?
I have never been one to think that there is only one competiton a year (Worlds). I think skaters have a right to feel proud of their other accomplishments as well, like Irina Slutskaya winning Europeans seven times. That rocks!
Nationals? Maribel Vinson-Owens won 9 U.S. chamiponships in singles and 6 in pairs.
Katy Taylor won the 2006 Four Continents Championship.
For that matter, Sima and Amir Ganaba won the 1999 U.S. junior pairs championship with one of the coolest performances ever.
(Evan Lysacek won the gold in boys' Novices at that competition. ).
I have never been one to think that there is only one competiton a year (Worlds). I think skaters have a right to feel proud of their other accomplishments as well, like Irina Slutskaya winning Europeans seven times. That rocks!
Nationals? Maribel Vinson-Owens won 9 U.S. chamiponships in singles and 6 in pairs.
Katy Taylor won the 2006 Four Continents Championship.
For that matter, Sima and Amir Ganaba won the 1999 U.S. junior pairs championship with one of the coolest performances ever.
Well said!!
THAT said, I look forward to a great season for Evan! He has much to be proud of in his career and we all have much to look forward to between now and Vancouver.
I think he has what it takes to bring it all together and we all know he has the courage and guts it takes to push himself to greater limits with every competition.
Let the season begin!! It's been a long wait!
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Evan is about my least favorite skater ever, but I do admire his consistency and courage. He really brings his best to each competition and gives 110%. He is a fighter. Personally I think that is part of the reason he is so enormously overscored relative to his skills. The judges respect his courage and heart, as well as his reliablity, and because of that he has earned their respect and they want to give him high marks, higher then his actual skating is worth, because of it. To some extent I can understand that, judges are only human after all. So while I cant stand him or his skating, I do give him his due for what he does have.
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Yes. He is deffinelty a hard worker. I love his "never say die" attitude, and the way that he really goes for his LP 110% after having a bad short. That is why I am such a fan of his, not nessicarily his skating. Watching him makes you feel good. Like it's possible.
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Hi, Merrybari, welcome to Golden Skate. As we say around here, post often, post long!
Thanks for the kind support, but you have to watch out!
Now you've stepped into an ongoing fight between Jaana and me about whether minor contests like national championships amount to a hill of beans or not in the grand scheme of things. 
In fact, I was just lying in wait, hoping for Jaana to answer, so I could pounce with, "Oh yeah, if Worlds is so important, who won the World pairs championship in 1994, 1995, and 1996? (Answer: Shishkova and Naumov, Kovarikova and Novotny, and Eltsova and Bushkov.
)But that's OK. Both Jaana and I are big Lysacek fans, so that's the main thing.
Slutskayafan, on the other hand, can't stand Lysacek in the least. But he praises him more than Evan's fans do. Go figure.
Of course the skaters have a right to feel proud of their other accomplishments during the season, but the big picture is that in non-Olympic years Worlds is the competition of the year in figure skating. And that is the competition where a skater needs to peak. Well, of course a skater needs to skate at the Nationals well enough to be sent to Worlds. The start of Grand Prix is early season, and even the final is about 3 months earlier than Worlds, but of course early season is early season for every senior skater, LOL.
To win at Europeans is a really great achievement, as it is considered a major competition. It is a great pity that Four Continents has not developed into an equal competition.
In fact, I was just lying in wait, hoping for Jaana to answer, so I could pounce with, "Oh yeah, if Worlds is so important, who won the World pairs championship in 1994, 1995, and 1996? (Answer: Shishkova and Naumov, Kovarikova and Novotny, and Eltsova and Bushkov.
LOL..., great!
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It is always interesting to me to consider what early season strategies are available to skaters, if any. Of course, someone like Plushenko in the 2005-06 season literally has nothing else to skate for except the Olympic gold medal, so there is no reason for him even to participate in anything else that year.
But for others, I wonder if piling up the points in the Grand Prix season might help plant a little seed in the minds of the international judges that, hey, this is the guy, this is the year. Might this give someone an edge at Worlds, when it comes to the judges giving out GOEs and PCSs?
For instance, last year Joubert set personal record after personal record in the Grand Prix. Even though his Worlds LP was his worst performance of the season, he still got huge discretionary marks.
Lambiel puttered around at the beginning of the season, talked about how despondent he was, withdrew from some events, and never really got it going. Did this affect the way the judges viewed him at Worlds?
I think if I were in Lysacek's shoes, my mind-set would be something like this:
Yes, the Olympics is the biggest thing coming up in the next three years. But by 2010 anything can happen -- I might be dead!
Worlds is the biggest thing this season. But there is not much I can do right now, in October, that will make me skate better or worse in March, so why brood about it?
The biggest figure skating event in October is Skate America. I'm going to go out there and kick butt. Who knows? -- maybe people will be so impressed with my performance that Tanith and I will get a Christian Dior commercial out of it! :agree:
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you may not, but most of the men see it as a really BIG thing... I hope he repeats and I think it'd be important to him... and would be a great confidence builder for worlds.
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Well US nationals is a big thing, a combination of deep fields and the do-or-die aspect of having to place in the top two or three to go to worlds or olys. (Are Canadians locked into a similar system or is there more leeway in choosing teams?)
IINM many prominent US skaters (esp singles) have gone on record as saying it's the most difficult competition of the year for them.
IINM many prominent US skaters (esp singles) have gone on record as saying it's the most difficult competition of the year for them.
I think that's a result of the depth of the field in the States. In Canada, there aren't as many runner-ups, so it's not as bad. I think the selection system is the same, though. In dance, there was a battle for third last season, though. I think the States and the difficulty of Nationals because of the selection for Worlds is similar to the ladies field in Japan... Fumie didn't even get to go to Worlds, yet she was the reigning silver medalist...
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I dont think it hurt him with the judges. Lambiel hurt himself at Worlds with all those mistakes. In the short program he received a 72+ with a triple toe-double toe combo, which is further behind in difficulty a triple flip-triple toe then a triple flip-triple toe is behind a quad toe-triple toe, plus falling on his triple axel; he even got slight higher PCS for that performance then a very strong skater on PC like Buttle did with a clean performance. The in the long program he skated alot better but still made 3 major errors and got just over 160, had he skated cleanly he probably would have been over 170. I certainly did not get the impression the judges looked on him "unfavorably" because of any of you said.
Yes, I got the impression that e.g. for 1998 and 2002 Olympics the decision for the male Olympic champion was already made in GPF: Kulik vs Stojko and Yagudin vs Plushenko. Of course the chosen ones had to skate well at the Olympics, LOL.
Also in these days I´d imagine that the skaters who skate well enough to participate in GPF, will be noted by the judges. On the other hand those who are e.g. injured and not able to particpate because of that reason, will surely be regarded at Worlds as highly as they manage to perform there.
you may not, but most of the men see it as a really BIG thing... I hope he repeats and I think it'd be important to him... and would be a great confidence builder for worlds.
Well, winning the Nationals did not seem to be a confidence builder for Evan in Worlds 2007.... In my opinion he went too strongly after the Nationals title, because he seemed to feel he HAS to win the title and gave everything he had to give already there. His freeskate was really awesome and I have watched the clip many times. That is though beside the point, as in the same time I have felt so very sorry for him because those performances happened in US Nationals and not in Worlds.... He needs to find the right competitive balance and not focus on the US media hype about who is US champion and who isn´t, in my opinion. With his Nationals performances he would have stood on the Worlds podium, wouldn´t he?
Weir is a three time National champion and so far has not managed to stand on the Worlds podium even once (the US silver medalist did it twice). After Todd won the Worlds in 1996, I think that from other US skaters only Timothy (once) and Evan (twice) have stood on the Worlds podium. I can understand that for a skater that is unable to win or stand on the podium in competitions like Worlds or Olympics, to win (at least) National title(s) is something big. But, winning the US title and failing to stand e.g. on the Worlds podium..., the National title becomes less prestigious because it has no international back-up. That skater is able to be successful against skaters in his own country, but fails as he meets the best of the world. Of course for it there can be various reasons: peaking too early, bad nerves in a really big event, etc.
We have tive very good Finnish ladies competing at Nationals for one of the three places at Europeans. Our Nationals sure is a tough compensation, but I would not describe it as a really BIG thing, but as a step to a major competition = Europeans. Europeans will also be tough as it is a qualifier for Worlds = out of our three ladies only two can participate. Susanna has won a silver in Europeans and Kiira a bronze medal. That is a major international competition, but of course Worlds is the biggest event of the season during non-Olympics years.
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