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so there’s more of this dance, glad we got to see continuation, it looks fun!
Adelia as always is very good at dancing, Daria S. seems to be gaining confidence.

Veronika An caught my eye, she switched to Tutberidze this season, I believe, and she doesn’t have many confident jumps and not very good jump combos at 13. But in a few months there she progressed quite well already. I think she has very nice SS for her age though, but this situation interests me, since jumping isn’t really there at all for Nika compared to a lot of 13year olds of Russia, who, frankly speaking, spoiled us with their consistent 3-3s. I wonder why she was picked, Tutberidze probably saw something she thinks she can help with. Would be interesting to see her progress in a year.
You’re right I wonder if the Dudakov job effect can happen sooner then later cuz they’re some sambo 70 girls between 9-11 that pushing already although age restrictions , I personally think rozanov was a big loss on sambo 70 I think he had the chance to build the kids so by time they get to eteri they’re just finishing the product so to say packaging,politics etc... I hope his replacement is good .. does anyone know who under eteri,dudakov n Daniel g?
 
Oh, that's devastating to hear. But at the same time a relief. I thought she was injured, or sick!

Please, RusFed. Give Gubanova a free ticket to RusNats. She belongs there and we all know it.
Exactly I thought the Russian federation was possibly givin special bye and by that performance I feel like she earn her seat at the table lol
 
Actually Anna has the best percentage of landed quads among all ladies with at least ten attempts in last two years.

And the second overall as Mako Yamashita was somehow able to land both of her downgraded quad Salchows. :)
 
It's interesting when you compare Trusova and Shcherbakova.

The last 2 seasons Trusova has tried (in competition) 38 quads and landed 24 (2 with slightly negative GOE). That is a success rate of 63%.

The last 2 seasons Shcherbakova has tried (in competition) 16 quads and landed 12 (2 with slightly negative GOE). That is a success rate of 75%.

Edit: I missed one of Shcherbakova's URs so she had a total of 3 URs. But she didn't fall and got loads of points for those jumps anyway. If you count those quads in, Shcherbakova has a succes rate of 87,5% landed quads. That is 1,75 quads per competition.
Why did you only take the last 2 seasons? Mawwerg did "Quad count" in Ladies and the Quad thread and the percentages are completely different.
Trusova 64 attempts - 43 landed(67%) - 36 clean(56%)
Scherbakova 29 attempts - 19 landed(65%) - 13 clean(45%)

Sasha has a better success rate even though there are 2 times more quad attempts
 
Why did you only take the last 2 seasons? Mawwerg did "Quad count" in Ladies and the Quad thread and the percentages are completely different.
Trusova 64 attempts - 43 landed(67%) - 36 clean(56%)
Scherbakova 29 attempts - 19 landed(65%) - 13 clean(45%)

Sasha has a better success rate even though there are 2 times more quad attempts
It's quite misleading to have only two categories - succesful, unsuccesful, because it is quite different if you do a (slight) step-out or a fall. There was a talk about it about a year ago, so just the main idea, Sasha landed more clean quads, but also had more falls than Anna. Actually Anna fell only three times from a quad, if I remember correctly, twice as a junior (edit: actually five times as a junior: JGP Richmond, 4th stage of a Russian Cup 2018, JGPF 2018, 2019 junior nationals, EYOG), only once as a senior. Her success rate was improving continuously. Sasha's success rate was high as a junior, but during the last season the success rate started to decrease, which naturally was one of the reasons for the coaching change.
 
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It's quite misleading to to have only two categories - succesful, unsuccesful, becauste it is quite different if you do a (slight) step-out or fall. There was a talk about it about a year ago, so just the main idea, Sasha landed more clean quads, but also had more falls than Anna. Actually Anna fell only three times from a quad, if I remember correctly, twice as a junior, only once as a senior. Her success rate was improving continuously. Sasha's success rate was high as a junior, but during the last season the success rate started to decrease, which naturally was one of the reasons for the coaching change.
Anna had not very good first season. That's why despite her great success rate in last two seasons she is still behind Sasha overall. And both of them are far behind Sofia Akatieva.
 
Anna had not very good first season. That's why despite her great success rate in last two seasons she is still behind Sasha overall. And both of them are far behind Sofia Akatieva.
Depends how you look at it. If we talk about quad success rate, yes, she only did two clean quads during the season (or three, see the note). If we talk about the competitive results, she failed at the JGP finals, but that was BTW the only competition ever she didn't take a medal since she became a junior. She won russian senior nationals, was silver at junior worlds, bronze at junior nationals, won both JGP stages, was the first lady to land clean 4Lz (note: at the cup stage, she landed two, the one in combo was clean, but there was a step-out on the subsequent 3T)....
 
Depends how you look at it. If we talk about quad success rate, yes, she only did two clean quads during the season (or three, see the note). If we talk about the competitive results, she failed at the JGP finals, but that was BTW the only competition ever she didn't take a medal since she became a junior. She won russian senior nationals, was silver at junior worlds, bronze at junior nationals, won both JGP stages, was the first lady to land clean 4Lz (note: at the cup stage, she landed two, the one in combo was clean, but there was a step-out on the subsequent 3T)....
It wasn't, but you can keep trying;)
 
What? This is definitely incorrect. She fell at least 10 times in competitions.
are we counting local or international?

Locally, I think we have to take Junior Cup Stages into account too here, where Anna competed during her first junior season.

Falls I remember there were falls on Junior Cup Stages (1-2?), on JGPF (2), JrNats (1), GPF(1), Europeans (1).
So at least 6 falls on local and international competitions in 3 years, correct me if I'm incorrect somewhere.
 
are we counting local or international?

Locally, I think we have to take Junior Cup Stages into account too here, where Anna competed during her first junior season.

Falls I remember there were falls on Junior Cup Stages (1-2?), on JGPF (2), JrNats (1), GPF(1), Europeans (1).
So at least 6 falls on local and international competitions in 3 years, correct me if I'm incorrect somewhere.
10 - your six + 2 at Spartakiad, 1 at European Youth Olympic Festival(or something like it - i do not record full names of competitions but only some letters :) ) and 1 at JGP Canada.
 
Are the judges holding back the skaters who left Tutberidze? "SE" has done some research


table showing increase of components score over domestic and international season


Judging remains key

Our calculations show that the people at the side tables behind the boards remain the most important actors. You can repeat the mantra about “get two heads taller and no one will catch you” as much as you like, but under the conditions of tough competition, points and little things decide. At the Russian Championship, one should expect more generous judging of the younger skaters, and Trusova and Kostornaya will be expectedly have it more difficult. It is not known how Alyona and Anna Shcherbakova together with Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva will appear after illnesses. Withdrawals before the tournament should be expected for sure.

But the numbers above, of course, do not in the least justify Aleksandra's four falls at the Grand Prix, Alyona's lack of a triple axel, or Sof' ya Samodurova's under rotations. We only draw attention to trends that may work in Chelyabinsk. After all, the people at those side tables are the most important characters, and the skaters are the main ones.
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Remember this is Dmitriy Kuznetsov, who has his own agenda
 
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What? This is definitely incorrect. She fell at least 10 times in competitions.

I am willingly prepared to listen the examples.
Edit: actually there were another two, at the stage 4 of the cup 2018 and and the EYOG, but definitely not "at least ten".

It wasn't, but you can keep trying;)
On the other hand I'm not sure I'm able to communicate with a person for whom Anna is "it" :rolleye:
 
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Sometimes I think for young skaters, and Maya is by ISU rules still a junior, jumping ultra-si in combination works out better.

Look at Akat'yeva, Samodelkina, Kisel' and several still younger skaters.

Khromykh also goes for the 'arms up' variation, perhaps keeping a 'spinning pencil' position works for her, just like for Valiyeva?
 
Some of this talk on Anna's different strategy forgets they were coached by the same team until last year. Also Anna only had 4Lz until GPF last year so it was never possible to do more than 2 quads.

On the topic of 1 or 2 quads, Anna fell on her 4Lz at Canada and her coaching team decided to put in 2 for the stage event straight after. Remind you of the strategy they produced for someone else? Yes, she made them, but the strategy is the same as for Trusova.

And then what about Valieva and Kostornaia? For Valieva, after the first competition where she landed a 4T she has always had 2 in her program, and the only time she ever landed 2 with positive GOE was a few weeks ago. Kostornaia, they put in 2 3As right from the start.

Edit: Sorry for the confusion, by Canada I mean Richmond, Canada not the JGPF.
 
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Anna fell on her 4Lz at Canada and her coaching team decided to put in 2 for the stage event straight after.
But Anna also landed a quad combo at local cup stage before JGPF and fell on the second one so perhaps it was stable enough at the time when decision was made, and the assumption was that she can reliably land 1 and 2nd may be landed with less probability. That JGPF was also an outlier to Anna's performances in general, she fell on 2A in the short, and had poor outing in both programs on that competition, she probably was way too nervous and couldn't do anything about it.
After that they were only doing 1 quad with Anna, up until it got consistent enough to add the 2nd one.

I think it was also a learning process of ensuring that 1 jump is reliable first, and only then adding more.
Kamila and Aliona both had this: Aliona, as far as I remember, didn't try it in SP at first, and her strategy for the FS was to go for the 2nd 3A only if the 1st one is landed. Same thing I remember was mentioned by Kamila last year before her 2nd JGP.
 
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For those of you who enjoy live skating from Russia, nearly all the local and regional federations are holding their Ultimate in the younger ranks and Championships in KMS and MS ranks.

Moscow region still has competitions in the novices almost everyday, often in the Southern Ice, where conditions are excellent and the live stream of very high quality:


Sverdlovskaya Oblast right is running high quality live streams for three days, multiple cameras, replays and all, starting today with their Ultimate competition:


Information: http://ffssr.ru/news.html?news=505#menu with linsk to timetable and live scoring pages.

Some recently concluded events are still available until YT takes them down, like Vita Kareva in Novosibirsk:
 
But Anna also landed a quad combo at local cup stage before JGPF and fell on the second one so perhaps it was stable enough at the time when decision was made, and the assumption was that she can reliably land 1 and 2nd may be landed with less probability. That JGPF was also an outlier to Anna's performances in general, she fell on 2A in the short, and had poor outing in both programs on that competition, she probably was way too nervous and couldn't do anything about it.
After that they were only doing 1 quad with Anna, up until it got consistent enough to add the 2nd one.

I think it was also a learning process of ensuring that 1 jump is reliable first, and only then adding more.
Kamila and Aliona both had this: Aliona, as far as I remember, didn't try it in SP at first, and her strategy for the FS was to go for the 2nd 3A only if the 1st one is landed. Same thing I remember was mentioned by Kamila last year before her 2nd JGP.
But is this true? She fell in Richmond on a single quad, and then she came out with two at Stage 2. I didn't even mention JGPF, by Stage event I meant Russian Cup Stages.

Regardless of if Aliona didn't do it at the SP, she still came out with 2 from the beginning. Kamila had 1 competition jumping 1 quad as I mentioned. The difference for Kamila on the 2nd quad is she was replacing a 3F with 4T, so consistently losing points. I'm not saying the strategy is wrong. We don't even see their practices. But there is no different special strategy.
 
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