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Kihira definitely has consistency issues on the world stage. IMO, 2019 worlds was hers to take. For certain, there is no way for us to compare a practice-only Kihira to the field who has already competed. How many videos of much improved spins and step sequences did we see from Aliona only for her to falter on them in competition.

I think the expectations on Kihira were very high after winning the GPF but very few skaters win Worlds in their first senior season. And Kihira winning was dependent on landing triple axels because she did not have the PCS - those are still risky jumps (and those were the only jumps she did mess up). Even with her personal best she wouldn’t have beat Zagitova.
 
I think the expectations on Kihira were very high after winning the GPF but very few skaters win Worlds in their first senior season. And Kihira winning was dependent on landing triple axels because she did not have the PCS - those are still risky jumps (and those were the only jumps she did mess up). Even with her personal best she wouldn’t have beat Zagitova.
I know it's silly to try to come up with "what ifs" but I would imagine, given the generous judging at 2019 worlds, Rika with the level she presented at GPF would have gotten a higher score.
 
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I hope something happens for Daria soon. Khromykh can now do 4S and 4T with 4T in combination. No need to rush, but it makes you wonder what is stopping Daria from being successful.

Herself? Everyone is different, that's why we have a competitive sport. Not just with quads, but every single element, skill, and even the smallest qualities are different for each skater based on their own limitations.

It's like asking why Liza's 3Lz is beautiful and Sofia's flutz is tiny.

I'm not Daria's fan but she does posses skills that others don't have, they're just not 3A/quads (yet).
 
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They are, but this is Sambo where everyone is doing a Quad/3A. My curiosity is which problems she's facing that so far she hasn't been able to. I'm not saying this because I dislike her, it's concern. She's been working on a 3A for a long long time, and it looks like you'll need a Quad or 3A to podium at the biggest events.

Also in Japan now there are so many skaters that have at least shown to be able to land a 3A. Everything these skaters do is difficult and top level. Saying it's difficult won't get the medals. We haven't seen a single attempt yet.

(We've even seen attempts from Amber Glenn and other skaters)
How many skaters do we see there who can land a quad? Quite a few id wager, but then consider the sheer quantity of skaters who have trained under Tutberetzi. It's availability bias - we see the successful ones and never hear of the majority of skaters who never are able to manage quads due to the sheer amount of competition in Russia and the sheer number of skaters.

Tutberetzi also doesn't post videos of attempts. She posts videos of successful ones. I don't see her post downgraded or fallen quads, just cleanly landed ones.

Japan is the same. For every skater with a quad, how many do you think don't have a quad?

We've been spoiled recently with the number of quads, that we've forgotten how many skaters there are that never have landed a quad.
 
Live skating here in Nizhniy Novgorod:

score panel most informative, replays
Info: http://dz-led.ru/2020/12/07/ded-moroz/
Start lists: http://dz-led.ru/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/СТАРТОВЫЙ-ПРОТОКОЛ.pdf
Live scoring: http://dz-led.ru/2021/dm122020/

here in Sankt Peterburg:


Start lists: https://vk.com/icediamonds
Live scoring: http://art-caramel.ru/result/2021/20201214IceDiamonds/index.htm

here in Moscow:


Timetable: https://www.sportvokrug.ru//r/competition/7419/Расписание.pdf

here in Gomel' Belarus:


Live scoring: http://figure.skating.by/competition/...

and here in Sverdlovsk:
multiple camera's, replays
Timetable: http://ffssr.ru/upload/РАСПИСАНИЕ ЧСО и ПСО Кировград 16-18.12.20.pdf
Live scoring Ultimate KMS and lower: ОНЛАЙН-ТАБЛО , Veronika Yametova will be today's final competitor.
Live scoring Championships MS: ОНЛАЙН-ТАБЛО
PS: there is also pair skating competed
 
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Herself? Everyone is different, that's why we have a competitive sport. Not just with quads, but every single element, skill, and even the smallest qualities are different for each skater based on their own limitations.

It's like asking why Liza's 3Lz is beautiful and Sofia's flutz is tiny.

I'm not Daria's fan but she does posses skills that others don't have, they're just not 3A/quads (yet).
I think Daria is wonderful-strong and powerful on the ice. All that is missing is a 3A or a quad. Once she has that-watch out.
 
How many skaters do we see there who can land a quad? Quite a few id wager, but then consider the sheer quantity of skaters who have trained under Tutberetzi. It's availability bias - we see the successful ones and never hear of the majority of skaters who never are able to manage quads due to the sheer amount of competition in Russia and the sheer number of skaters.

Tutberetzi also doesn't post videos of attempts. She posts videos of successful ones. I don't see her post downgraded or fallen quads, just cleanly landed ones.

Japan is the same. For every skater with a quad, how many do you think don't have a quad?

We've been spoiled recently with the number of quads, that we've forgotten how many skaters there are that never have landed a quad.
I get we can take that angle. But from Eteri skaters age 14 and below (we could even say 16), most of them have landed quads/3A haven't they? When I asked my original question it was to do with if there's something in Daria's technique that's preventing her. Maybe drama is what sticks here, but this is the Russian Ladies Figure Skating Thread.

Khromykh with her height (and her technique to be honest), has done really well to land two different quads.
 
I get we can take that angle. But from Eteri skaters age 14 and below (we could even say 16), most of them have landed quads/3A haven't they? When I asked my original question it was to do with if there's something in Daria's technique that's preventing her. Maybe drama is what sticks here, but this is the Russian Ladies Figure Skating Thread.

Khromykh with her height (and her technique to be honest), has done really well to land two different quads.
I used to have a feeling that her air position can be loose sometimes, like Aliona on 2A, but I went on to check in more detail, and it looks alright.
Seems that the height is there too. Yeah, I guess she just needs more time.
 
I used to have a feeling that her air position can be loose sometimes, like Aliona on 2A, but I went on to check in more detail, and it looks alright.
Seems that the height is there too. Yeah, I guess she just needs more time.
I know she's going to work her hardest so I'm hopeful for her sake. Daniil said in an interview she has the height. It's interesting that Eteri said they would work on Rippon 2As this season and we saw Shcherbakova, Valieva and Khromykh come out with Rippon 2A this season but Daria didn't.
 
How do we know she hasn't or isn't working on a quad or triple axel and has asked for them to not be filmed and posted online?
We know for sure she's been working on a 3A for a while. She said she started to learn it before JGPF 2019 without a harness and wanted to have it by February 2020. There must be some barrier to progress.
 
Anna was the first. She landed the first ratified quadruple lutz in 2018 at the 2nd Stage of the Russian Cup (she actually landed two - one in combo) but it wasn't international. She's the first senior to land a 4Lz in international senior competition (and the second senior to land a quad overall - first is Elizabet). She's also the first to land two 4Lz in international competition and the first to land a 4Lz-3 combination in international competition.
Your desire to give Anna Shcherbakova a priority at least in some kind of jump looks ridiculous. I can give free advice: send a petition to the ISU and the Guinness Book, demanding to change your records. You probably have supporters for this. Do this instead of trying to insult your opponents like Flanker does.
 
Your desire to give Anna Shcherbakova a priority at least in some kind of jump looks ridiculous. I can give free advice: send a petition to the ISU and the Guinness Book, demanding to change your records. You probably have supporters for this. Do this instead of trying to insult your opponents like Flanker does.
I'm not the original poster - Flanker was. And I disagree that he was insulting, if anything I think you're being rather rude and insulting.

I do not and do not desire to give Anna a priority at least in some kind of jump. I'm merely stating the facts. You argued that she wasn't the first one to land a ratified 4Lz. I merely corrected you and said she was (just not the first one internationally.) Those are facts. You're the one that's needlessly trying to put a skater down.
 
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We know for sure she's been working on a 3A for a while. She said she started to learn it before JGPF 2019 without a harness and wanted to have it by February 2020. There must be some barrier to progress.
I'm sure covid is playing a role too though and the time of ice because of that. Most skaters, with the exception of (I think) Kamila and Sasha, are still working on getting back to the level they were at this time last year much less anything new. It's hard to bring back difficult skills, in general, but especially ones that are new. I would imagine it would be even harder for one's that weren't stable/competition ready much less very new ones or trying to acquire new ones.
 
"Breaking News: Russia’s four-year doping ban from global sports was cut in half by a Swiss court, but its teams will still miss the next two Olympics."

From the article
"The decision by the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Switzerland, the final arbiter on global sports disputes, means Russia will not be able to enter teams in the next two Olympics — the rescheduled Tokyo Games next summer and the 2022 Winter Games in Beijing — or have its anthem, its flag or even its name represented at other high-profile competitions. Some Russian athletes will still be allowed to compete at events, but only as neutrals."
 
"Breaking News: Russia’s four-year doping ban from global sports was cut in half by a Swiss court, but its teams will still miss the next two Olympics."

From the article
"The decision by the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Switzerland, the final arbiter on global sports disputes, means Russia will not be able to enter teams in the next two Olympics — the rescheduled Tokyo Games next summer and the 2022 Winter Games in Beijing — or have its anthem, its flag or even its name represented at other high-profile competitions. Some Russian athletes will still be allowed to compete at events, but only as neutrals."
It's probably the best they could hope for at this moment. Still sad that if Anna, Kamila, Sasha or any other of the girls that could potentially win the olympics succeed, it will be without their national symbols.
 
Half of the Russian national team will go to the National Championship after being in quarantine. Should they speed up their preparation?

This can lead to new health problems, including new injuries or worsening of old ones.


linked article with resume of jump collections:

Is this were nominations to Worlds will be decided after so many skaters have been sick? They should have postponed it, there's no reason to rush anyway with Euros cancelled.
 
Is this were nominations to Worlds will be decided after so many skaters have been sick? They should have postponed it, there's no reason to rush anyway with Euros cancelled.

Russian Fed also uses the Russian Cup final for World team consideration. I don't agree with postponing nationals because it will open a can of worms - what's the "threshold" for number of sick skaters for it to be moved, what if <insert name> skater(s) get sick then why can't it be moved again, etc. This isn't the first time skaters have had to miss ice time before nationals or miss nationals due to illness, there's an alternative event for under-performers at Nationals.
 
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