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I still am not seeing the logical basis for the argument that learning quads later is better for retaining them. That goes against all logic and experiences from other sports.
Who said that?
Learning quads around 15yo (and not 10-11yo) is just better for the body developpement imo.
 
now that the competition is over, who does RusFed send to worlds?

IMO, it should be Anna, Sasha, and either Liza or Aliona. Nugumanova skated well here, but AlIona/Liza would likely yield better results at Worlds.

If I were RusFed and I was being fair, at this point the third spot would go to Liza (unless they have another Russian Cup in which Aliona skated and beat Liza).

Although it wasn’t her best performance today, I think Liza showing up and competing shows she can regain the momentum from rostelecom by March
 
now that the competition is over, who does RusFed send to worlds?

IMO, it should be Anna, Sasha, and either Liza or Aliona. Nugumanova skated well here, but AlIona/Liza would likely yield better results at Worlds.

If I were RusFed and I was being fair, at this point the third spot would go to Liza (unless they have another Russian Cup in which Aliona skated and beat Liza).

Although it wasn’t her best performance today, I think Liza showing up and competing shows she can regain the momentum from rostelecom by March
Usually third spot at Worlds is up to federation to decide, so being top3 senior unfortunately gives a competitor nothing more than a possible ticket to Euros, but those are cancelled.
With all the withdrawals, I‘m also not sure how the funding for next year will go. Gorshkov (???, I believe it was him) said that RusNats will decide the funding, but I can’t see how they will throw away Liza T. and Aliona off of national team for Liza N., that’s just not going to happen.
Also unclear what they’re going to do with Evgenia and Alina’s funding. Both girls clearly don’t need any money from the fed, but I think the fed would want to keep them on the team nevertheless.
 
I still am not seeing the logical basis for the argument that learning quads later is better for retaining them. That goes against all logic and experiences from other sports.
It’s not about age necessarily, it’s about technique. An 11yo should not jump quads if they have poor technique that will not bode well for when the grow/go through puberty. Outside of Tumtamysheva, we don’t know what The effects of having quads will be on the girls as they go through puberty.

I will Say that doing quads could lead to more injuries amongst the ladies in general. Whether the injuries are career ending or just temporary is something we will have to measure.

Again, I am all for quads within reason - they shouldn’t be forced upon skaters to try and gain points unless the skater had strong enough basics/technique to do them without risking injury or failure as they grow.
 
now that the competition is over, who does RusFed send to worlds?

IMO, it should be Anna, Sasha, and either Liza or Aliona. Nugumanova skated well here, but AlIona/Liza would likely yield better results at Worlds.

If I were RusFed and I was being fair, at this point the third spot would go to Liza (unless they have another Russian Cup in which Aliona skated and beat Liza).

Although it wasn’t her best performance today, I think Liza showing up and competing shows she can regain the momentum from rostelecom by March
The Russian Cup Final, 23-27 February, which will probably be like a Russian Nats part II will be decider here I think.
And RusFed has also said that they plan to arrange a competition instead of Europeans. What that means I don't know, will it be a national event or an event with invited Europeans?
Anna and Sasha should be clear though. It would be great (yay!!) if Nugumanova gets to Worlds but that's unlikely, unless she beats both Kostornaia and Tuktamysheva at Rus Cup Final.
 
Usually third spot at Worlds is up to federation to decide, so being top3 senior unfortunately gives a competitor nothing more than a possible ticket to Euros, but those are cancelled.
With all the withdrawals, I‘m also not sure how the funding for next year will go. Gorshkov (???, I believe it was him) said that RusNats will decide the funding, but I can’t see how they will throw away Liza T. and Aliona off of national team for Liza N., that’s just not going to happen.
Also unclear what they’re going to do with Evgenia and Alina’s funding. Both girls clearly don’t need any money from the fed, but I think the fed would want to keep them on the team nevertheless.
It is also unclear if Zagitova/Medved will return to competition. I think Zhenya will return and not Alina, but who knows!

I really think the RusFed needs another Russian Cup just for the seniors (similar to 2019 season) to determine their world team spots. If Liza N were to beat Liza T and Aliona there, then sure, send her to worlds. But I think it’s unlikely she’d beat both of those ladies if they are healthy.
 
The Russian Cup Final, 23-27 February, which will probably be like a Russian Nats part II will be decider here I think.
And RusFed has also said that they plan to arrange a competition instead of Europeans. What that means I don't know, will it be a national event or an event with invited Europeans?
Anna and Sasha should be clear though. It would be great (yay!!) if Nugumanova gets to Worlds but that's unlikely, unless she beats both Kostornaia and Tuktamysheva at Rus Cup Final.
Great minds think alike! ;)
 
now that the competition is over, who does RusFed send to worlds?
Let's imagine countries could send 6 skaters, with 4 different events to compete in, but only 2 skaters per event (also let's imagine Valieva is age eligible and Kostornaia has no 3Axel back).

Short Program: Valieva, Tuktamysheva
Artistic Program: Kostornaia, Usacheva
Long Program: Shcherbakova, Trusova

ALL-AROUND: Valieva, Shcherbakova
 
Wow! Anna. Just. Did. THAT!!!

I have no words to explain how proud I am of this girl. Anna is so small but she is one of the strongest people I have ever seen! The amount of mental strength it must have took for her to overcome herself is more than I could ever imagine. I am so so happy Anna got her third title in a row- it is certainly deserved!!

Kamila was just lovely!! I think she sold Bolero the best she ever did and her jumps looked so steady! Certainly not the medal she was hoping for but she’s just 14!! A great and productive stepping stone for her career!



Sasha was also amazing! Those 4Lz were awesome and she is becoming a performer! I’m sure she’s disappointed in the result but she should be proud of how she skated!
Daria skated clean when it mattered most! Good for her for keeping a cool head, she proved herself when it mattered most and she keeps her hat in the ring for future events!
Good for Maiia! All of her triples were clean and that quad looked pretty close! 5th place for a 14 year old is a great result!

I’m so proud of Liza N!! Her jumps are getting cleaner and her performance and skating skills are sublime! Good for her for reaching her goals!!
Ksenia Tsibinova was also great!! 2 clean skates in a pressure filled event, I think her scores should have been higher but she should be happy with the skates she put out!
Quite the redemption skate for Anna Frolova!! She skated beautifully and it was nice to see her so happy after her skate!
A great experience for Arina Onishchenko! She wasn’t competitive with the top girls but two clean skates is a worthy accomplishment. I’m sure she will always hold this good memory close to her heart.
 
What‘s with the stacks of Chipotle burritos in the Kiss and Cry?????
Those are ice creams! all there for Yabokov and Erokhov to eat :)

Old-school Russian ice creams used to come either in a waffle-cup (which would be a generic no-flavor ice-cream) or tin-foiled like this (plombir ice cream). I‘m not sure whether that’s still the case, I haven’t been to Russia for a minute.
That company probably was appealing to nostalgic feelings, packaging their ice creams old way.
 
Those are ice creams! all there for Yabokov and Erokhov to eat :)

Old-school Russian ice creams used to come either in a waffle-cup (which would be a generic no-flavor ice-cream) or tin-foiled like this (plombir ice cream). I‘m not sure whether that’s still the case, I haven’t been to Russia for a minute.
That company probably was appealing to nostalgic feelings, packaging their ice creams old way.
Ohhh...how interesting. Sounds tasty. I wonder if anyone actually ate one...
 
Alena has had some really bad luck. Puberty, injury AND covid illness all at the same time. Having to step off the ice when competition in Russia just got even more crazy deep. And the pandemic stole away her great chance at a world title when she was healthy. I can't imagine how all that plays on the mind. It really sucks.

If she makes the Olympic team after all that it's a miracle all on it's own. It's definitely not impossible, cause she's super talented, but it will be a very high mountain to climb
I think they all had to deal with puberty this year, maybe except Daria. Anna, Kamila, and Sasha all look like they've grown a lot during their time off ice. Both in height and bone structure.

It's a miracle for any anyone to make the Olympic team. Being top 3 in the country in anything is a huge accomplishment, especially when you have multiple junior/senior world champions in the mix. I wouldn't count Alena out; didn't she relearn and stabilize her 3A in 3 weeks last season? And Anna and Sasha both managed to learn a 4F in a very short time as well. Sasha did two 4Lz with a hip injury today, and Anna went clean with 2 quads after pneumonia. It's impossible to say who's completely out, but even if we were to rank them, Alena isn't that far behind, still in the top 5 along with Liza, who could be very close on any given day. Alena did just beat Sasha at Rostelecom (whose score beat Anna at another cup event) and Liza won over both.
 
THE TEAM! (y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)(y)
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How can that amazing woman keep all of those awesome girls happy in the coming few years?
 
I think they all had to deal with puberty this year, maybe except Daria. Anna, Kamila, and Sasha all look like they've grown a lot during their time off ice. Both in height and bone structure.

It's a miracle for any anyone to make the Olympic team. Being top 3 in the country in anything is a huge accomplishment, especially when you have multiple junior/senior world champions in the mix. I wouldn't count Alena out; didn't she relearn and stabilize her 3A in 3 weeks last season? And Anna and Sasha both managed to learn a 4F in a very short time as well. Sasha did two 4Lz with a hip injury today, and Anna went clean with 2 quads after pneumonia. It's impossible to say who's completely out, but even if we were to rank them, Alena isn't that far behind, still in the top 5 along with Liza, who could be very close on any given day. Alena did just beat Sasha at Rostelecom (whose score beat Anna at another cup event) and Liza won over both.
The 3 on the podium today are the clear favorites for the Olympics if the Olympics happen in 2022 and elio na and wiser are also contenders. People think I'm out of line for saying that those 3 are the clear favorites to make the Olympics but I think it's obvious. I'm sure sasha can score with Anna and KV in any competition especially internationally. Alyona is obviously the most beautiful skater in the world and if she gets her triple Axel back she will be dangerous again to the top girls and lyza is there plugging away as always and with a clawed and a triple Axel next season she will be dangerous as well.

I can't wait for Zhenya to return and Alina to come back.

I was just in awe of the day's competition one of the best ever certainly better than most Olympic free skates And we know of the Adelina Yuna Caro free skates were fantastic and the elina Zhenya and Osmond free skates was awesome.
 
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