2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[sclloyd]

So

Now Anna had Covid after all. AsI said. The whole FC is a smearcomedy. Every second word a lie.

Александр Горшков: «Щербакова не нарушила никаких правил. Она давно болела коронавирусом, но сейчас был отрицательный тест»

Президент Федерации фигурного катания России ( ФФКР ) Александр Горшков прокомментировал ситуацию с выступлением Анны Щербаковой на чемпионате России.

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So Anna gets Covid after Zhenya, then around the same time when she’d be contagious, Kamila her training mate goes to Rostelecom and Aliona and Liza both get sick. And Kamila wasn’t even competing. What egregious irresponsibility. I love them all, but now knowing Anna had covid and the higher prevalence of contagious but asymptomatic transmission in children and young teens, this seems like a very clear chain of infection. And so unnecessary.

 

[chasingneverland]

Yeah, but I remember people being bashed here for even as much as suggesting it might have been COVID related. Which, it seems, it was, after all. That's why.

The only thing that was said was that Anna tested negative for COVID. That is true otherwise she wouldn't be able to compete. Not that she didn't before.

 

[flanker]

Yeah, it doesn't change the fact that she didn't break any rules by competing here.

It also doesn't change the fact that she should have withdrawn but that's also true for the entire national team. (Literally the entire Euros/Worlds Russian teams and most alternates.)

It also doesn't take away from the stunning, magical moment she produced yesterday.

EDIT: Those are all not mutually exclusive statements.

Well, people can make complaints, but that doesn't change anything. As was said before, it's far from being uncommon to do a sport in a state like that (fever, injury etc.). Would I as Anna's father allow her to skate? Probably not, making the judgement from the info known to me. But I said several times I don't do conclusions from what the newspapers write. Too many experience with knowing the true reality and what the media wrote/said about it.

 

[Magill]

The only thing that was said was that Anna tested negative for COVID. That is true otherwise she wouldn't be able to compete. Not that she didn't before.

I remember it differently. I remember it was fiercely denied she ever had COVID and even mere suggestion it might have been so was brushed off as irresponsible and unsubstantiated. Again, might be just a difference of perceptions .

 

[Fried]

I remember it differently. I remember it was fiercely denied she ever had COVID and even mere suggestion it might have been so was brushed off as irresponsible and unsubstantiated. Again, might be just a difference of perceptions .

It was exactly like that. And if it was Covid, then she went to Rostelecom and nobody was informed about it.

 

[silveruskate]

Yeah but Kamila is also 2 years younger than them (and almost 3 younger than Aliona) and Anna and Sasha were also never stable on their quads when they first started performing them (and even last year they weren't completely). Anna also has to prepare 2 times of quads (and 3 total at the end of last season). And Anna competed with a fever so it's not like she was healthy while preparing 2 quads either. And she also had difficult practices. Also both Sasha and Anna fell at the GPF on quads (Anna on her 4F and Sasha on her 4T (as well as popping her 4S).) Finally all 3 (Anna, Sasha, and Aliona) fell due to nerves/maybe even exhaustion at Euros. Anna on her 4Lz, Alena on her 3Lz, and Sasha on her 4Lz and 4T. All three have performed those programs cleanly before. So to say, none of them are immune to nerves is clearly wrong. All have fallen on their harder elements on competitions, not just Kamila.

I was defending Kamila. Although the 3A, the wait on the jump was way too long which is why it looked like nerves to me. But she also came back strong with two 4Ts! Also all her 3Lz falls she actually admitted it was nerves.

Aliona didn't fall due to nerves. Falls can happen. Where Aliona was most nervous was Russian Nationals after the two 3As, but still she didn't fall. Very doubtful Aliona felt nerves after completing every single other jumping pass to perfection before the 3Lz, you would think that would give massive confidence. Nerves in the FS are best expressed on the first jumps in my opinion where you're fresh but have the most difficult jumps to do. All the Russian ladies approach their first elements with such strong conviction and confidence.

Well I said no different. The point is preparing 3+ *different* quads is hard as well as the quantity like with Anna attempting 3. Sasha having to prepare a 3A and 4 different quads is crazy, she's so impressive to try. Even after RusNats at Euros she fell on her 4Lz again, but somehow managed to get that 4T-3T afterwards. Also the RusNats where she messed up all those quads she managed a perfect 3Lz-3Lo after that (messed up for her standards but almost unfair to even say it). The act of falling on a quad itself hurts your body, and I'm sure it isn't easy staring down another one straight after, getting the height and rotation required. I think Sasha most expresses nerves on the 3A, but her success rate is lower on the jump so it makes sense.

 

[chasingneverland]

So

So Anna gets Covid after Zhenya, then around the same time when she’d be contagious, Kamila her training mate goes to Rostelecom and Aliona and Liza both get sick. And Kamila wasn’t even competing. What egregious irresponsibility. I love them all, but now knowing Anna had covid and the higher prevalence of contagious but a symptomatic transmission in children and young teens, this seems like a very clear chain of infection. And so unnecessary.

Anna tested negative for COVID. Liza's rink isn't exactly one to talk. They let Sofia skate at test skates with a fever. Plushy's rink already had COVID before meeting Kamila at Rostelecom. Veronika got COVID before the 4th stage. And by all accounts everyone got COVID through a birthday party (Alena L I think)/Rostelecom parties which 14 year old Kami didn't attend.

EDIT: Also literally the entire worlds team has exposed/infected prior. Look at the pairs/ice dance. Morozov got COVID in September, missing stage 1. Galliamov tested positive for stage 2. Kozlovskii tested positive for stage 3. S/B and S/E had a coach test positive for stage 4, etc. Literally the entire Russian worlds/Euros team either got COVID or was exposed. And it wasn't because of Kamila.

 

[nussnacker]

The only thing that was said was that Anna tested negative for COVID. That is true otherwise she wouldn't be able to compete. Not that she didn't before.

From what I read they all suppose it was COVID, but Anna tested negative for it each time.

 

[chasingneverland]

I was defending Kamila. Although the 3A, the wait on the jump was way too long which is why it looked like nerves to me. But she also came back strong with two 4Ts! Also all her 3Lz falls she actually admitted it was nerves.

Aliona didn't fall due to nerves. Falls can happen. Where Aliona was most nervous was Russian Nationals after the two 3As, but still she didn't fall. Very doubtful Aliona felt nerves after completing every single other jumping pass to perfection before the 3Lz, you would think that would give massive confidence. Nerves in the FS are best expressed on the first jumps in my opinion where you're fresh but have the most difficult jumps to do. All the Russian ladies approach their first elements with such strong conviction and confidence.

Well I said no different. The point is preparing 3+ *different* quads is hard as well as the quantity like with Anna attempting 3. Sasha having to prepare a 3A and 4 different quads is crazy, she's so impressive to try. Even after RusNats at Euros she fell on her 4Lz again, but somehow managed to get that 4T-3T afterwards. Also the RusNats where she messed up all those quads she managed a perfect 3Lz-3Lo after that (messed up for her standards but almost unfair to even say it). The act of falling on a quad itself hurts your body, and I'm sure it isn't easy staring down another one straight after, getting the height and rotation required. I think Sasha most expresses nerves on the 3A, but her success rate is lower on the jump so it makes sense.

I'm pretty sure Aliona herself said she lost concentration leading into that jump. And Sasha has never prepared a 3A and 4 different quads for the same skate.

 

[chasingneverland]

It was exactly like that. And if it was Covid, then she went to Rostelecom and nobody was informed about it.

Anna didn't go to Rostelecom.

 

[silveruskate]

Anna tested negative for COVID. Liza's rink isn't exactly one to talk. They let Sofia skate at test skates with a fever. Plushy's rink already had COVID before meeting Kamila at Rostelecom. Veronika got COVID before the 4th stage. And by all accounts everyone got COVID through a birthday party (Alena L I think)/Rostelecom parties which 14 year old Kami didn't attend.

When are you referring to when you say Anna tested negative for Covid? They said she was negative at RusNats, but when she had pneumonia it was all hushed in Sambo-70 who had Covid and who didn't. We now have clear evidence she indeed had Covid in November.

 

[silveruskate]

I'm pretty sure Aliona herself said she lost concentration leading into that jump. And Sasha has never prepared a 3A and 4 different quads for the same skate.

No she did, at GPF 2019. No one said same skate, same competition.

Also I would say losing concentration doesn't necessitate nerves, even though nerves is one way that can make you lose concentration.

 

[Fried]

Anna didn't go to Rostelecom.

Am I messing something up now? Wasn't she withdrawn there on the day of the competition?

 

[NAOTMAA]

From what I read they all suppose it was COVID, but Anna tested negative for it each time.

So did she have it or not?

Because right now it just looks like everyone assumed it was (because every sniffle and sneeze these days is covid!) and are running with as fact regardless of it actually being so or not.

And if I recall correctly Gorshkov has a history of simply repeating "what's being talked around and about by others" when asked about something and he doesn't personally know just so he can give an answer that isn't "I don't know." I assume Ted who really isn't in close contact with everyone did that.

 

[Magill]

No she did, at GPF 2019. No one said same skate, same competition.

Also I would say losing concentration doesn't necessitate nerves, even though nerves is one way that can make you lose concentration.

Relief (that you have made it through the most difficult part) is one of the others. So quite contrary, really.

 

[Magill]

Am I messing something up now? Wasn't she withdrawn there on the day of the competition?

That's an interesting question because she was. For sure, she was withdrawn on the day of the competition. Or at least that's where it was made publicly known, for in fact it might have been a different date. But was she physically there or not? I have no idea. Still, I think it doesn't really matter now, does it?

 

[chasingneverland]

When are you referring to when you say Anna tested negative for Covid? They said she was negative at RusNats, but when she had pneumonia it was all hushed in Sambo-70 who had Covid and who didn't. We now have clear evidence she indeed had Covid in November.

The fact that she was at Rostelecom at all. To be there she had to show proof of a negative COVID test at least 72 hours before departing. They're all subjected to COVID tests for every competition before they are even allowed to leave.

 

[chasingneverland]

Am I messing something up now? Wasn't she withdrawn there on the day of the competition?

I meant she didn't compete. She also had to have tested negative at least 72 hours before to be allowed to compete but she was there so she clearly was allowed to.

 

[Magill]

The fact that she was at Rostelecom at all. To be there she had to show proof of a negative COVID test at least 72 hours before departing. They're all subjected to COVID tests for every competition before they are even allowed to leave.

Anna didn't go to Rostelecom.

So I'm sorry, I'm not after you or anything but I'm just getting confused . Are you claiming she was at Rostelecom or not?
For, as said earlier, I don't know myself. I haven't seen or heard then anything on her practice layout or whaetever. I don't think it was ever announced if she was there or not. At least I do not remember any information about it.

 

[chasingneverland]

So I'm sorry, I'm not after you or anything but I'm just getting confused . Are you claiming she was at Rostelecom or not?

Sorry, I meant she was probably there (or at least withdrawn morning off). But she didn't actually compete.

Basically from all reports (from herself/her team) - even from Nov - they've said Anna tested negative for COVID but did have pneumonia. Now it could've been a false negative - Evgenia had a few of those (and those aren't uncommon in fact something like 30% can be wrong) but from what we know she didn't test positive for COVID.