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Sorry, I meant she was probably there (or at least withdrawn morning off). But she didn't actually compete.

Basically from all reports (from herself/her team) - even from Nov - they've said Anna tested negative for COVID but did have pneumonia. Now it could've been a false negative - Evgenia had a few of those (and those aren't uncommon) but from what we know she didn't test positive for COVID.
Rostelecom was held in Moscow so it's possible she was not ever on site there and didn't need to be tested. They could have been waiting to see if she shook off Covid by then to have a negative test on the day the competition started. As we see Anna wants to compete under all circumstances even missed or imperfect training.
 
Sorry, I meant she was probably there (or at least withdrawn morning off). But she didn't actually compete.

Basically from all reports (from herself/her team) - even from Nov - they've said Anna tested negative for COVID but did have pneumonia. Now it could've been a false negative - Evgenia had a few of those (and those aren't uncommon) but from what we know she didn't test positive for COVID.
I don't know if she ever turned up for Rostelecom. Rostelecom was in Moscow where she lives and trains. She did not have to turn up there any earlier than on the day of the competition itself, if she chose not to. And then, on the day of the competition, when she had to be there, she withdrew. So we do not know really. And no one saw her test as it is, as she did not have to submit it.
 
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So did she have it or not?

Because right now it just looks like everyone assumed it was (because every sniffle and sneeze these days is covid!) and are running with as fact regardless of it actually being so or not.

And if I recall correctly Gorshkov has a history of simply repeating "what's being talked around and about by others" when asked about something and he doesn't personally know just so he can give an answer that isn't "I don't know." I assume Ted who really isn't in close contact with everyone did that.
The journalist who interviewed her mother wrote that it could’ve been Covid, but Anna was tested and didn’t get a positive result. So... unclear?
Until there’s an antibody test, there’s not much one can say.
Moreover, Gorshkov went on to contradict himself about Anna’s condition in his next interview, so he’s not really a paramount of reliable info.
 
Rostelecom was held in Moscow so it's possible she was not ever on site there and didn't need to be tested. They could have been waiting to see if she shook off Covid by then to have a negative test on the day the competition started. As we see Anna wants to compete under all circumstances even missed or imperfect training.
They have to get tested even to compete regardless of where it's held.

Also she herself and her team said her test was negative.
 
The journalist who interviewed her mother wrote that it could’ve been Covid, but Anna was tested and didn’t get a positive result. So... unclear?
Until there’s an antibody test, there’s not much one can say.
Moreover, Gorshkov went on to contradict himself about Anna’s condition in his next interview, so he’s not really a paramount of reliable info.
What did he say in the next interview? A link would be great!
 
They have to get tested even to compete regardless of where it's held.

Also she herself and her team said her test was negative.
We also had her team hushed up about whether Evgenia had Covid, or even Eteri. And then Evgenia repeatedly insisted it was just a heavy cold until confirming it later. Lakernik thought Eteri was training others from online, clearly those thoughts didn't come from nowhere. They're not the most trustworthy on this. And we have Gorshkov now saying Anna did have Covid at some point. Maybe not 3 days before Rostelecom if she was indeed tested 3 days before.
 
What did he say in the next interview? A link would be great!
That she didn’t have fever when she was competing :shrug: Unsure what to make of it, but the guy doesn’t seem to know much about her condition to begin with.

 
That she didn’t have fever when she was competing :shrug: Unsure what to make of it, but the guy doesn’t seem to know much about her condition to begin with.

But this is not contradicting whether she had Covid or not sometime in November?
 
Okay so what we know. Anna did have pneumonia. Anna was exposed to COVID but the entire nationals team has been exposed to COVID (and that's not because of 14 year old Kamila at Rostelecom). (Most rinks were already exposed including Plushy's and most of the pairs/ice dance teams). It's important to keep all the disciplines in mind when considering all of this (especially because they're all at the same stages/Rostelecom/Nationals (and a fateful, ill-advised party which 14 year old Kamila did not attend and neither did 16 year old Anna for that matter, from what we know)). Literally the entire national worlds/euro team either had it or were exposed (and most had it). Anna tested negative for COVID for each competition. Could she have had it and it been a false result? Yes. But that's not her fault. She and her team (parents/coaches/doctors) complied with all the rules. So because Anna tested negative there was no need to withdraw Alina and Kamila from the Rostelecom gala or Morisi from the competition (who also tested negative) - according to regulations. (Evgenia tested positive but was already quarantined from the rest.) So, in conclusion, from the facts that we have, Anna was sick but didn't test positive for COVID. And no one's lied about those things. Should she have competed at Russian nationals? Probably not. But also not her fault. She and her team complied with all the rules. Despite having a fever she did test negative (again) for COVID and therefore was allowed to compete. (It's just a question of wether that was a wise choice for her own health.) However, she's not the only one who should have withdrawn due to injuries/illness. She's also not the only one who's been allowed to skate with a fever (and presumably a negative COVID test) - Sofia did that at test skates.
 
That she didn’t have fever when she was competing :shrug: Unsure what to make of it, but the guy doesn’t seem to know much about her condition to begin with.

Gorshkov: Anna didn't have a fever, but if she did, she already had covid, so it's fine.
Maybe he's trying to cover all his bases :shrug:
 
But this is not contradicting whether she had Covid or not sometime in November?
He said she had fever, he said she didn’t. Just overall, his credibility or rather the information he has, is very questionable to me.
Plus, even back in November when Evgenia’s covid got reported, same sources claimed Anna tested negative. Make of it what you want, guys.
Russian skaters don’t seem to be particularly secretive about having or not having COVID in general.
 
Yes, but as she withdrew she did not have to submit any test, did she?
From what I understand she had to submit one to be allowed to compete. Also the first discussion of Anna's negative COVID tests comes from Nov.

They also didn't pull Morisi and Alina/Kamila (from the Gala), which also suggests they weren't exposed to a positive COVID test. (Evgenia had already withdrawn and was isolating.) See: P/P withdrawing from Rostelecom due to their coach testing positive. (And other such examples like Anastasia G due to Liza's positive test.)
 
That she didn’t have fever when she was competing :shrug: Unsure what to make of it, but the guy doesn’t seem to know much about her condition to begin with.

Basically what he says is not that she did not have fever but that there was no information she did. To me, he's just saying the organizers knew nothing about it so: would you please excuse us from any reponsibility for all this mess? :biggrin:
 
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Basically what he says is not that she did not have fever but that there was no information she did. To me, he's just saying the organizers knew nothing about it so: "would you please excuse us from any reponsibility for all this mess?" :biggrin:
This doesnt comfort me at all because the organizers should definitely know which of their skaters have fevers
Edit: I'd also like Rusfed to know which of their skaters have had covid, even if they don't release it to the public, so the fact that he doesn't seem to know is concerning
 
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From what I understand she had to submit one to be allowed to compete. Also the first discussion of Anna's negative COVID tests comes from Nov.
But when? In all procedures I know of, you do sumbit the test when you appear on the spot and it needs to be taken within x hours before that moment and not weeks earlier. No?
 
I noticed after the free skate she seemed, beyond the happiness, kind of calm? It was very different compared to after the short. No heavy breathing or anything.

Maybe she was just over emotional after the short. Coming back from illness, saving the spin, and getting through it and knowing she was still in the game. That's a lot of emotions to be feeling
Yeah, it also could have been a rush of adrenaline. And she did have a fever for the short. It's unclear about the long, just that she'd been having fevers since Nov.
 
He said she had fever, he said she didn’t. Just overall, his credibility or rather the information he has, is very questionable to me.
Plus, even back in November when Evgenia’s covid got reported, same sources claimed Anna tested negative. Make of it what you want, guys.
Russian skaters don’t seem to be particularly secretive about having or not having COVID in general.
But him saying she didn't have a fever, even the interview he spoke of Anna's Covid, it looked like he was saving face by impressing that everything was above board. That was the priority in those comments. He was nonchalant about the fever, like how he said they have machines on site etc. and everything is as it should be.

Anna having Covid or not is months long knowledge, not the same as the specifics of this temperature check yesterday. I consider him more reliable than Sambo on this sadly.
 
But when? In all procedures I know of, you do sumbit the test when you appear on the spot and it needs to be taken within x hours before that moment and not weeks earlier. No?
From what I understand it's having to provide proof of a negative COVID test taken within 72 hours. Not a test at that exact moment. Now it's possible that they got back a positive result the morning off and withdrew her because of that but that doesn't seem likely as Morisi and Alina/Kamila were there and either completed or did the gala and they would have been required to withdraw. (See Liza's positive COVID test and Anastasia G's withdrawal and P/P withdrawing due to their coach.) There is also no report that Anna had a positive COVID test. In fact every member of her team is insisting (and has been since Nov) that she had a negative result. It's more likely that practices the morning off didn't go well at all and/or Anna couldn't make it through them (probably due to still being sick) and they withdrew her from a "meaningless competition" (as far as SB/PB standing is concerned as well as World's team placement) in hopes of her being better/more ready for nationals.
 
The journalist who interviewed her mother wrote that it could’ve been Covid, but Anna was tested and didn’t get a positive result. So... unclear?
Until there’s an antibody test, there’s not much one can say.
Moreover, Gorshkov went on to contradict himself about Anna’s condition in his next interview, so he’s not really a paramount of reliable info.
There has always been questions (in all country's) about how accurate some of the tests are so technically yes it could have been covid. Saying she didn't have it isn't a lie if the test she took said negative. Even if the test might have been incorrect that's not their fault and they shouldn't be blamed for that. Like you said until the antibody test nobody knows.

I don't like the mood here. There is a lot of hair splitting and some people seem too excited at the idea she did have it just so they can have a dig and scream "LIAR! LIAR! I KNEW IT! HA!"
 
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