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Not really hating... It is just that Anna has the worst jump technique of all the top skaters and yet she is winning medals. She also has small jumps and poor skating skills yet she is praised.
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Losing battle. Either ppl see the problems and care or don't and don't. No one is changing their mind on this issue.
Dumb question, is "Crystal" Sambo-70 a different than the one Tutberidze teaches at? Also, I know people have explained it a bunch of times but skaters like Zhilina and Akatieva and Samoldekina are all going to be at Junior nationals or another Novice level nationals?
I think it's way too early to make predictions about the Olympic team. There's six months between worlds and the start of next season, that's a ton of time for skaters to learn new skills or get back old ones.
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I see Nadya is discussing their fav topic again...
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As I wrote in another post, all skaters this season have been dealing with craziness, it hasn't just been Aliona. Sasha also had a coaching change; Anya and Liza also dealt with illness; and every single skater dealt with training difficulties owing to the pandemic. So while Aliona might have faced a few more difficulties than some of the other skaters, her situation really hasn't been that much different, and I don't think she deserves a pass because of it, especially as we've seen other skaters not only maintain their levels, but improve, during the same time.
Also, as you and others wrote, Aliona's issue hasn't just been her 3A, but really just about every aspect of her skating coming down a step from where it was the past two seasons. Nevertheless, as it often happens, she has continued to receive generous scoring. This to me explains why Aliona was closer to Liza at Rostelecom than she probably should have been. As we know, though, this judging favoritism only carries forward for so long.
Finally, if we're looking beyond Worlds to the Olympics, if folks still consider Aliona a threat for the team, they should definitely consider Dasha a threat for the team. IMO, Dasha has supplanted Aliona this season in a lot of ways as the most graceful, effortless Russian skater. If Dasha solidifies a 3A during the offseason (and even if she doesn't), it won't just be Liza that Aliona will need to overtake.
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What is this nonsense? Medvedeva has continued to be criticized for her lutz edge and various other issues. She's just not at the top anymore, so there is less talk about her in general. I know what you're saying about certain haters (yeah it's crazy if someone tried to say her lutz was 45 degrees on the inside edge), but you can't just ignore valid criticism. Shcherbakova's lutz is flawed in several ways and those problems deserve to be a factor in the judging. It's very unfair that her smaller, heavily pre-rotated, flat edge lutz is getting a higher score than people who do clean ones with much better technique. It would have been completely fair to give both of her Quads in the Nationals LP a 'q' call. She is doing approximately 3.25 rotations on those jumps, they are right on the border.
Most of Trusova's jumps do not pre-rotate as much as Shcherbakova's anymore, btw, and her landings tend to be farther around as well. Trusova's 4Lutz is getting 1/4 turn more rotation in the air (her best ones anyway), and it's bigger, and the takeoff edge is clearly better. Her 3Toe is now vaulting properly too, she doesn't spin it around on the ice so much anymore. The 3Lutz+3Loop she did at Nationals was FAR better than Shcherbakova's as well; the size and rotation of the 3Loop, and the speed out it, were all completely superior (and of course, her lutz is better). Very interesting, how Trusova's 3Lz+3Lo in the Nationals LP was better than Shcherbakova's in every way possible, yet scored the same GOE from 4 of the judges. Trusova also received no 5's for this element, when Shcherbakova received multiple 5's for hers in the SP (and I know, Shcherbakova didn't do that element as well in the LP as she did in the SP, but her SP execution still had less quality than Trusova's in the LP).
No, TeamTutberidze is at "Crystal", but it's not the only team in there.
Those three are all going to Junior Nationals in about 10 days. I don't know if additionally Zhilina still somehow finds her way to Novice Nationals as well now that she wasn't at the key qualifying tournament.
I did notice this. She really has gained quite a bit from her move at this point, which is great to see. Steadily improving her skating skills, too, which I really noticed at CoR.
This is good to remember. The closer you are to the top, the more you will be scrutinised.
This was what I was trying to say a few pages back. And why I think she should let tha 3A be for the rest of this season and work on fixing all these smaller things up first.
Aliona not being up to her usual standard I took to be a sign of poor preparation for the two competitions we've seen so far. We know she can do all of thos things you mentioned. But we also know she got her programs later than most have been of the ice for an extendded time three times in 2020 and moved coaches. So she probably just needs more time.
Well if neither Aliona or Liza deliveres I can see Nugomanova or Guliakova (bronze at Rostelcom) being outsiders for that 3rd worlds spot.
There is an old russian proverb:
Don't ask questions you don't want to know answers for.
Trusova was so well below Shcherbakova because Trusova received lower marks.
Trusova received lower marks than Shcherbakova because she was below...
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Videoblog of 5yo girl accepted in "Khrustalnyi" - father says Eteri watched her, she's been training under Tsurskaya.
She's been told to weight 16.8 kilograms.
I thought this was about Russian women and not about Russian children. Very strange customs here.
I thought it'd be interesting to watch a piece of what's going on inside that rink.
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Well, a lot of this post seems to completely miss the mark on what I was talking about. I was talking about the extensive hate hate campaign against Shcherbakova, instead of saying that her quads are better than Trusova's or anything of the nature, so it's puzzling how that seems to have been how you misunderstood my post. Even if her quads are worse, she doesn't deserve a hate campaign launched against her.
On "what is this nonsense"-part, Koola King stopped criticizing Medvedeva and started praising her non-stop instead after she moved under Orser, while starting to criticize Shcherbakova with mostly fabricated issues, like the 45 degree Lutz inside edge video - you even recognized in your post that that's not accurate. Shcherbakova wasn't exactly on top in 2018 summer, she hadn't even entered seniors. It's not nonsense, perhaps you just don't know the history. But in that case you probably shouldn't make such comments as it makes it sound like you're not familiar with the subject matter.
That second point ranges from not very relevant to completely irrelevant to my point about the hate campaign against Shcherbakova. It's been going on since 2018, Trusova moved away from Eteri in 2020. You're talking as if it's a recent development using the current status. Trusova definitely wasn't getting her "best quads" "fully around" more than Shcherbakova at that time. But even if she was, that doesn't justify the hate campaign. Also, you're using Trusova's "best quads" but not comparing those to Shcherbakova's best ones apparently, since you're suggesting that her landings are further along, when Shcherbakova's best quads land straight backwards with no hook to speak of. I'd call that biased.
A comment unrelated to my previous post's content: Like it or not, consistency matters for scoring, and Trusova for the past few years has been anything but consistent. Also, Anna surely as a two-time national champion has some "status scoring" as well. In fact, for her first season, I found her quite underscored overall, so they clearly have changed their approach when it comes to her. But regardless, in my post I wasn't even saying that her quads are better than Trusova's, just that she doesn't deserve a hate campaign. So your entire post was simply misguided and besides the point.
Now, as for the 3Lz+3Lo combos of Anna's SP vs Trusova's FS. Anna has a lot better flow out of it. Also, on both jumps she has delayed rotation, while Trusova doesn't, and she has a much more aesthetically pleasing aerial position. It also looks more effortless. To be honest, now watching them multiple times, I don't see how one can find Trusova's 3Lz+3Lo more impressive unless they just concentrate on the takeoff edge or something. Anna's quite clearly was the better combo.
I think that this is the issue with your technical panelist background. You just concentrate on the technical panelist stuff, which GOE isn't a part of. And GOE isn't precise or absolute like technical panelist calls, GOE is largely about gut feeling, you don't have to perfectly rationalize everything about GOE. To me, it's clear that if a random judge sees those jump combos one after another, they'll feel the need to rate Anna's with higher GOE.
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Does there have to be a "campaign" of hate against so-and-so skater's technique? Unless you completely live on youtube, the hyperbole on this is crazy. Skaters don't need to be turned into victims.
Unfortunately, I think a lot of skating fans do live on Twitter and YouTube. Or even here with people going so far as to brand things as "propaganda" completely seriously.
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Aliona Prineva looks like she could be Sasha‘s little sister, the resemblance is so striking!
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No, Shcherbakova's quads are more heavily pre-rotated and thus don't get further around, if assuming both land exactly backwards in relation to the start of the takeoff. It's not "biased", she FACTUALLY gets less rotation in the air. A lot of what you are considering a "hate campaign" are very real flaws and very real problems in the scoring.
That's just weak judging, something we are trying to improve. There is no point in accepting an incorrect mentality just because it's how things go normally; reputation judging needs to be curbed.
Anna does not have "a lot better flow out". Her exiting edge is less stable, although she does cover it up with a leg extension. She doesn't have a more pleasing aerial position position, they are essentially the same, any small difference there is mere stylistic preference rather than technical superiority. She absolutely does not have "delayed rotation", LOL WHAT?! No no no. She spins off the ice on these jumps, this is an absolutely crazy assertion, you need to check out some actual delayed jumps to see what that really is.
And then finally is the lutz edge, which you try to ignore as if it's nothing. It's not nothing. Anna's flat edge is worse and needs to be accounted for properly. Trusova's more correct technique deserves +1 higher on GOE. Also, you have ignored the issue of Anna's 3Lz+3Lo in the LP, which was significantly weaker, and yet the scores did not accurately reflect it.
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First of all, Koola King is one person. It doesn't mean that the WHOLE ENTIRE FANDOM just stopped acknowledging it. As a Medvedeva fan these conversations are tiring to be honest.
For the second bolded part, the opposite of you I can't see how can one find Anna's 3Lz-3Lo better executed than Sasha's. Better flow? I just don't see in what world. And to me this is as clear as Evgenia's flutz.
I don't agree with the scores from RusNats, but I agree with the placings.
The only thing I can agree with from your post is that just because they do mistakes, - in this case Anna, they don't deserve a hate train. However, very often I see people labeled as haters just because they disagree.
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