2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

Paulipau

On the Ice
Joined
Oct 24, 2020
Alyona doesn't need the 3A to beat Liza, that's correct. But she still needs a stsq that is not level 2, she needs clean spins, she needs to keep her balance in twizzles (is that a right word?), aaand she needs to sell the program.

So far this season is Liza who did all those things on Rostelecom, and it gave her gold.

I know that it is all in there for Alyona, she just has to bring it on.

I do love them both, may the best win!
 

Shayuki

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 2, 2013
I definitely would have to disagree with the idea that Alena's only issue is her lack of 3A this season. She's not been very good at all for her standards, even outside of it. From steps to spins to interpretation to transitions to steadiness of the jumps... just about every category of hers just isn't there. It's not just 3A. If she were to be put ahead of Tuktamysheva at this point, it'd be due to her last season's achievements only, not her current form... And I don't think that's the way to go, especially in such a competitive environment. Tuktamysheva is actually more proven in her career anyway, with even a world championship title.


If the choice is between them, anyway. However, didn't Nugumanova place ahead of Tuktamysheva? Clearly the correct thing to do is to send Nugumanova to worlds.
 

chasingneverland

Record Breaker
Joined
Dec 31, 2019
Yeah agreed. It's not just the triple axel that Aliona needs to get back. It's also her spins, steps, performance, transitions, tripes (other than 3A), etc. Even without the 3A, Aliona can beat Liza, but she needs to get back into performance shape everywhere else. If she does that, even without the 3A, she's v competitive especially considering GOE and PCS.
 

brakes

On the Ice
Joined
Jan 31, 2020
2021 Moscow's Novice Championships:

Younger Novices (b. 2010+)

1. Alyona Krivonosova, Moskvich - 193.77
2. Daria Sarymsakova, CSKA - 193.70
3. Alyona Prineva, CSKA - 193.16
4. Elena Kostyleva, "Ice Forum" - 181.13
5. Margarita Bazyliuk, "Khrustalnyi" Sambo-70 - 180.81
6. Elizaveta Andreyeva, "Khrustalnyi" Sambo-70 - 175.93

Older Novices (b. 2008-2009)

1. Sofia Titova, Angels of Plushenko - 249.84
2. Sofia Shifrina, Snow Leopards - 241.34
3. Elizaveta Kulikova, CSKA - 239.30
4. Maria Paramonova, CSKA - 235.81
5. Alisa Dvoyeglazova, "Khrustalnyi" Sambo-70 - 225.49
6. Lyubov Rubtsova, "Khrustalnyi" Sambo-70 - 221.88

Above top 6 advanced to Russian Novice Championships which take place March 10th-14th.

Decoration: https://www.instagram.com/p/CKW51FypKBv/
Videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGc9L52zIknEkFUWw6lfPhQ/videos
 

Paulipau

On the Ice
Joined
Oct 24, 2020
I definitely would have to disagree with the idea that Alena's only issue is her lack of 3A this season. She's not been very good at all for her standards, even outside of it. From steps to spins to interpretation to transitions to steadiness of the jumps... just about every category of hers just isn't there. It's not just 3A. If she were to be put ahead of Tuktamysheva at this point, it'd be due to her last season's achievements only, not her current form... And I don't think that's the way to go, especially in such a competitive environment. Tuktamysheva is actually more proven in her career anyway, with even a world championship title.


If the choice is between them, anyway. However, didn't Nugumanova place ahead of Tuktamysheva? Clearly the correct thing to do is to send Nugumanova to worlds.
Nugumanova did place ahead, but Tut was sick. And little Liza has an UR problem.
 

katymay

Medalist
Joined
Mar 7, 2006
2021 Moscow's Novice Championships:

Younger Novices (b. 2010+)

1. Alyona Krivonosova, Moskvich - 193.77
2. Daria Sarymsakova, CSKA - 193.70
3. Alyona Prineva, CSKA - 193.16
4. Elena Kostyleva, "Ice Forum" - 181.13
5. Margarita Bazyliuk, "Khrustalnyi" Sambo-70 - 180.81
6. Elizaveta Andreyeva, "Khrustalnyi" Sambo-70 - 175.93

Older Novices (b. 2008-2009)

1. Sofia Titova, Angels of Plushenko - 249.84
2. Sofia Shifrina, Snow Leopards - 241.34
3. Elizaveta Kulikova, CSKA - 239.30
4. Maria Paramonova, CSKA - 235.81
5. Alisa Dvoyeglazova, "Khrustalnyi" Sambo-70 - 225.49
6. Lyubov Rubtsova, "Khrustalnyi" Sambo-70 - 221.88

Above top 6 advanced to Russian Novice Championships which take place March 10th-14th.

Decoration: https://www.instagram.com/p/CKW51FypKBv/
Videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGc9L52zIknEkFUWw6lfPhQ/videos
Hard to believe how tiny they all three are. Just big jumps...such tiny girls.
 

Shayuki

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 2, 2013
Speaking of the winner of the younger age Moscow championships:

How amazing is Alena Krivonosova, 10 years of age?


The skating skills are so good, the way she performs difficult turns like counters and rockers with perfect control of her upper body while performing choreo leaves even almost all the Russian senior skaters to shame. Very effortless difficult entries to jumps without losing essentially any speed, and look at her two combinations in the step sequence for example. Just about every other skater looked like they were skating in mud in comparison to her. Very expressive, does motions with the entire body, facial expressions. And how about the arm movements? So much detail, no flailing around at all. Multiple fantastic sequences.

Also worth mentioning, jumping. Toe picking, correct edge on Lutz, minimal pre-rotation and no blade assist at all - this is what's so important nowadays isn't it. The toe loop is also toe picked with minimal pre-rotation. No 3-3 combination right now, but the progress from last year is insane, her jumps don't even look small anymore.

What's interesting is that she's from the same school as Kamila Valieva, and she's about 4 years younger than her - In fact, she's a June 2010 birthday, meaning she'll just barely make the cutoff for 2026 Olympics, if one wants to consider such things at this point in time.
 

sparklestan

On the Ice
Joined
Apr 24, 2020
Speaking of the winner of the younger age Moscow championships:

How amazing is Alena Krivonosova, 10 years of age?


The skating skills are so good, the way she performs difficult turns like counters and rockers with perfect control of her upper body while performing choreo leaves even almost all the Russian senior skaters to shame. Very effortless difficult entries to jumps without losing essentially any speed, and look at her two combinations in the step sequence for example. Just about every other skater looked like they were skating in mud in comparison to her. Very expressive, does motions with the entire body, facial expressions. And how about the arm movements? So much detail, no flailing around at all. Multiple fantastic sequences.

Also worth mentioning, jumping. Toe picking, correct edge on Lutz, minimal pre-rotation and no blade assist at all - this is what's so important nowadays isn't it. The toe loop is also toe picked with minimal pre-rotation. No 3-3 combination right now, but the progress from last year is insane, her jumps don't even look small anymore.

What's interesting is that she's from the same school as Kamila Valieva, and she's about 4 years younger than her - In fact, she's a June 2010 birthday, meaning she'll just barely make the cutoff for 2026 Olympics, if one wants to consider such things at this point in time.
I love little Alena’s skating!! Her performance and presentation are so advanced for someone so young, and as you mentioned her skating skills are just lovely! Last year her jumps seemed a bit out of control, but this year they are a lot neater. I’m excited to see how her skating grows and develops over the next few years!
 

chasingneverland

Record Breaker
Joined
Dec 31, 2019
If the choice is between them, anyway. However, didn't Nugumanova place ahead of Tuktamysheva? Clearly the correct thing to do is to send Nugumanova to worlds.
I LOVE Liza N but she had the skate of her life at nationals and can't really upgrade more, as it stands. Everyone else in the mix for the three spots - Anna (already named, I believe), Sasha (v likely), Liza T, and Aliona - have upgrades that they have landed in competition as well as MUCH better reputations/PCS both internationally and nationally. I think Liza N will be given a change to earn her spot in the upcoming competitions but unless something catastrophic happens with both Liza T and Aliona, she's not being named. Especially as Liza N has already been beaten this season by everyone else, including juniors who are not even eligible.
 

NadezhdaNadya

Final Flight
Joined
Dec 22, 2017
Speaking of the winner of the younger age Moscow championships:

How amazing is Alena Krivonosova, 10 years of age?


The skating skills are so good, the way she performs difficult turns like counters and rockers with perfect control of her upper body while performing choreo leaves even almost all the Russian senior skaters to shame. Very effortless difficult entries to jumps without losing essentially any speed, and look at her two combinations in the step sequence for example. Just about every other skater looked like they were skating in mud in comparison to her. Very expressive, does motions with the entire body, facial expressions. And how about the arm movements? So much detail, no flailing around at all. Multiple fantastic sequences.

Also worth mentioning, jumping. Toe picking, correct edge on Lutz, minimal pre-rotation and no blade assist at all - this is what's so important nowadays isn't it. The toe loop is also toe picked with minimal pre-rotation. No 3-3 combination right now, but the progress from last year is insane, her jumps don't even look small anymore.

What's interesting is that she's from the same school as Kamila Valieva, and she's about 4 years younger than her - In fact, she's a June 2010 birthday, meaning she'll just barely make the cutoff for 2026 Olympics, if one wants to consider such things at this point in time.
If minimal pre-rotation is so important, then why Anna gets these crazy marks? Why, why, why? Plus her jumps are small and without much distance. I watched videos in slow motion again. And guess what? Alyona's 2T has the same height and distance as Anna's 3T. Also - watch Alyona's 3A at GP France - it is huge and it is bigger than Anna's 4Lz at GP America.
Anna, Anna, Anna... :(

Edit:
Fun fact - If you watch Anna's GP America FS you will notice that her first 4Lz there is smaller than Alyona's GP France first 3A and also that Anna's 3T in combination with that first 4Lz (GP America) has rougly the same height and distance as Alyona's 2T in combination with her first 3A (GP France).
 
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Amei

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 11, 2013
I definitely would have to disagree with the idea that Alena's only issue is her lack of 3A this season. She's not been very good at all for her standards, even outside of it. From steps to spins to interpretation to transitions to steadiness of the jumps... just about every category of hers just isn't there. It's not just 3A. If she were to be put ahead of Tuktamysheva at this point, it'd be due to her last season's achievements only, not her current form... And I don't think that's the way to go, especially in such a competitive environment. Tuktamysheva is actually more proven in her career anyway, with even a world championship title.

Agree the lack triple axel is not Kostornaia's only issue, this season has been a bit of downgrade in terms of her all around skating, but she has had a crazy offseason: late coaching switch, program change, programs done via virtual choreography sessions. However Kostornaia is still a threat for the Worlds team, Rostelecom Cup she still beat Tuktamysheva in PCS and even with 3 triple axels Tuktamysheva only beat her by about 3 points.

If the choice is between them, anyway. However, didn't Nugumanova place ahead of Tuktamysheva? Clearly the correct thing to do is to send Nugumanova to worlds.

Tuktamysheva was recovering from illness at Nationals and Nugumanova's performance at Nationals is why Feds open up the body of work argument, she was phenomenal but this season she has had a good amount of under-rotation issues. And she barely beat Tuktamysheva at Nationals.
 

TripleAxelQueens3

sasha trusova is superior
Final Flight
Joined
Apr 17, 2018
That's not the reason it's important. It's so that certain people couldn't make hundreds of hate posts / videos of her jumps. That's why I think it's important for her to have good jumping technique on the Lutz. No other reason.
I’m not quite sure but I also do think minimal prerotation/toe pick technique is better for the knees and uses less of the arms but that’s only what i’ve heard. And again, technically PR isn’t even punished in the rule book so Anna shouldn’t be getting deductions for that issue specifically.
 

drivingmissdaisy

Record Breaker
Joined
Feb 17, 2010
I think it will be tough for Alena to make the team, which is sad considering she was the favorite for the world title last year. It's not only missing the 3A, which matters more against Anna and Sasha than the others competing for the third spot, but that she just hasn't competed enough to be sharp enough for Worlds. What makes the Russian women so good is that they compete a lot and work through issues skating their programs under competitive pressure. Even if she's well trained, I think it will be hard for her to have the confidence to skate her best so soon after missing training time (and considering she already wasn't in peak form prior to her illness).
 

Shayuki

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 2, 2013
I love little Alena’s skating!! Her performance and presentation are so advanced for someone so young, and as you mentioned her skating skills are just lovely! Last year her jumps seemed a bit out of control, but this year they are a lot neater. I’m excited to see how her skating grows and develops over the next few years!
She actually improved like crazy for this season. I thought she was a pretty hopeless jumper, but now her jump height actually is quite promising, even. And she took such a huge step from last season in that regard. She already had the interpretation but she also significantly upgraded her skating skills. It just makes you wonder whether she can maintain that trajectory. I can say that a year ago I wouldn't have expected Krivonosova to be able to win this competition, not in a million years.
 
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