2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

Scott512

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What do you think it means?

I think it refers to the last group of skaters in a competition (IE - the "top 6")
I wasn't sure but I thought it meant banned from the board. As in final flight.

But I hope it means what you think.

Are you happy Alina is one of the captains for this team event?
 

Shayuki

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Thanks. But what is the age in the categories sport1 and sports2?
I know elder age nats competes with Junior content and programs but often skaters perform in both. Especially those who dont have the age for int juniors or performed poorly at junior Nats.
Generally, I'd say junior is 13+, sports 1 is 11-12, sports 2 is 9-10, then the "little girl 1-3" or whatever is 8, 7, 6.

But it depends on passing tests, and so several competitors are younger than that.
 

brakes

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Generally, I'd say junior is 13+, sports 1 is 11-12, sports 2 is 9-10, then the "little girl 1-3" or whatever is 8, 7, 6.

But it depends on passing tests, and so several competitors are younger than that.
"Sports 1" is 11.x-13.x.
"Sports 2" is 0-11.x.
(x=number of a month competition takes place, so for Moscow Novice Championships in January, "Sports 1" category includes skaters 11y1m-13y1m old, for Russian Novice Championships in March: 11.3m-13y3m old).

For instance:
Silver medalist of 2016 Russian Novice Championships, Anna Tarusina was 13y1m old.
Gold medalist, Anna Shcherbakova was 11y11m old.

 
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Shayuki

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"Sports 1" is 11.x-13.x.
"Sports 2" is 9.x-11.x.
(x=number of a month competition takes place, so for Moscow Novice Championships in January, "Sports 1" category includes skaters 11y1m-13y1m old, for Russian Novice Championships in March: 11.3m-13y3m old).

For instance:
Silver medalist of 2016 Russian Novice Championships, Anna Tarusina was 13y1m old.
Gold medalist, Anna Shcherbakova was 11y11m old.

Okay? Those just are in the ballpark of where you'd expect the skater to be. Similarly, I don't say that juniors would be 13-19, I'd say they're 13-14 since from 15 you'd be in seniors.

Those ranges also aren't quite correct, Elena Kostyleva for example was participating in sports 2 at the age of 8 last season in the qualifiers, and in fact started in the category at the age of 7.
 

brakes

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Those ranges also aren't quite correct, Elena Kostyleva for example was participating in sports 2 at the age of 8 last season in the qualifiers, and in fact started in the category at the age of 7.
So "Sports 2" does not have lower age limit, only passed tests requirement. I corrected my post.
 

Giltedge

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DougDorsey

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With the further setback of being sick in Covid I would be surprised if we see the 3A back this season. I think getting her pree 3A content back and stable will be enough to get her on the Worlds team this year (with Anna and Sasha, sorry Liza) provided she performes her programs better than she did at her two competitions so far this season.

Sorry Liza? No way Aliona deserves a spot ahead of Liza on the Worlds team based on what we've seen so far this season, that is assuming Worlds even happens.

If at these upcoming domestic events, Aliona surprises everyone with a restored 3A, and with her combos and components restored to last season's quality, then perhaps the picture changes, but I'm not holding my breath.

RusFed is gearing up for the Olympics, and I'm sure they're intent on sweeping the podium. That's going to mean prioritizing their girls with ultra-c elements, and at this point in time, that means Anya, Kami, Sasha, and/or Liza.

Even if a couple of those four fumble, opening up the door for another skater to slip in, I'd personally go with Dasha over Aliona at this point in time, based on how the former has continued to develop and how the latter has taken a step back.

Again, we all know what Aliona was capable of as of just a year ago, and if she can recapture that, then this picture might change. But so far it hasn't happened. And while the pandemic, illness, and coaching changes are legitimate excuses, let's not forget that all these girls were dealing with the pandemic; Anya and Liza also dealt with illness; and Sasha also dealt with a coaching change. So I don't think these excuses should buy her any special treatment.
 

Vilord

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Sorry Liza? No way Aliona deserves a spot ahead of Liza on the Worlds team based on what we've seen so far this season, that is assuming Worlds even happens.

If at these upcoming domestic events, Aliona surprises everyone with a restored 3A, and with her combos and components restored to last season's quality, then perhaps the picture changes, but I'm not holding my breath.

RusFed is gearing up for the Olympics, and I'm sure they're intent on sweeping the podium. That's going to mean prioritizing their girls with ultra-c elements, and at this point in time, that means Anya, Kami, Sasha, and/or Liza.

Even if a couple of those four fumble, opening up the door for another skater to slip in, I'd personally go with Dasha over Aliona at this point in time, based on how the former has continued to develop and how the latter has taken a step back.

Again, we all know what Aliona was capable of as of just a year ago, and if she can recapture that, then this picture might change. But so far it hasn't happened. And while the pandemic, illness, and coaching changes are legitimate excuses, let's not forget that all these girls were dealing with the pandemic; Anya and Liza also dealt with illness; and Sasha also dealt with a coaching change. So I don't think these excuses should buy her any special treatment.
Well I agree with you that Liza has shown more quality than Aliona this season. My point was that I dont think Aliona nedds the 3A to beat Liza. Liza allways loses points on spinns and StSq which Aliona pree Quarantine never did. Aliona also gets higher GOE on basically all elements compared to Liza and higher PCS. A non 3A Aliona on form should score similairly to Dasha at RusNats and that is probably enough to edge out Liza for the worlds team.

If we have a worlds RusFed will probably go with those they feel will have the highest scoring potential and Anna and Sasha is set I would imagine but the last spot I imagine will be a fight between Liza and Aliona. I think from what weve seen so far Liza is 3rd and Aliona 1st alternate but personaly I think no 3A Aliona (with the rest figured out to pree quarantine standard) have higher scoring potential than 3 3A Liza (unless she improves her jump layout and fixes her spinns).
 
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