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Judges don't agree with that since they scored them more than your captain legends.
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Judges don't agree with that since they scored them more than your captain legends.
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And they scored the captain legends more than they did yulia and Adelina at their peaks and so on and so on.
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You compared them and I said that they don't have much artistry since they don't skate to compare them. So the only thing we have is the scores and scores say differently. What artistry does Zagitova have anyway?
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I see what you're saying, and I think female skaters can have just as good or better technique than men! However, that does not mean that they do right now. If you compare the top quads in females (Anna, Sasha, etc) compared to the top quads in males (Yuzuru, Nathan), the top men still have better technique (less prerotation, cleaner edges) and are therefore less cheated. Not necessarily because they're men, but simply because they have been trained differently.
If you're comparing to the Russian men, then I wouldn't exactly know because I haven't watched many of the Russian men.
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This is becoming more fun. Who will have more fire in their eyes? Who will overjump everyone but at the end will say to him/her that we like the captain Iglo more?
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Why compare them to Nathan or Yuzuru? Shoma is also a top male skater, so is Aliev, or Kagiyama, or Gogolev, or Samarin (the list is endless), and their jumps aren’t anywhere near as flawless as those of Yuzuru or Nathan. Of course having that pristine technique is a great achievement, but I‘m just tired of hearing this mantra about specifically female quads being „cheated“. It’s not due to them being female. A plethora of top male skaters have the same exact jump technique imperfections.
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Did you not watch Alina's Me Voy? I think that SP really showcased her potential as an artistic skater. And the judges don't the final say in who has artistry and who doesn't. I know tons of people don't think Zhenya has good artistry, and then there are another plethora of people who think she's one of the most artistic.
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No. I will consider it for the next watch on my list.
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Alot. And a very different skater at 17 or 18 versus 15. Her expressions are better too. If you can't see this that's okay.
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Don't want to jinx anything but Anna has shown very solid consistency. Last season only two falls from a quad (plus one random fall during a step sequence at Skate America SP) and none this season. Of them all she looks the best under the pressure so far (she's the other example it seems, she does more mistakes when it is not so important
). Kamila definitely has shown some problems with self-confidence previously but at nationals she has shown she can be very well prepared. She also vastly improved her air position, which caused her consistency problems and delivered four clean quads from the last two competitions (not to mention she does quad in her exhibition program). Sasha, with her we will see whether her clean performance is the return to her mastery but it's definitiely promising.Though at the end I think they will still send the skaters reflecting next national championships results.
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Looks like a highly unlikely scenario. Rusfed needs a victory, any other result would be a total failure.
A girl with no ultra c has no chance against Kihira. That simply reduces overall chances to get Gold for Rusfed.
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Yes, I totally agree. I said a similar thing on Goldenskate a few years ago. And then my comment got made into a... Well, I guess we won't get into that.I like Elizaveta Berestovskaya's lutz and flip. It is not exactly the minimal pre-rotation technique of Yuna, Yuzuru, Nathan, Boyang, Kolyada, Carolina and Alexia Paganini but it resembles it a lot.
Berestovskaya has very clear outside lutz edge
Her lutz and flip jumps are 1000 percent purely toe pick assisted. Never seen something like this before. A true ballerina!
Her pre-rotation is not excessive at all
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But anyways, Berestovskaya's Lutz technique is quite pretty in almost every way, the main issue with it is that she can't get just about any elevation. But she gets no elevation even on her quads, I guess some just aren't made to jump big jumps.
I think you're sort of exaggerating with never having seen something like it before, though. Veronika Zhilina would, for example...
Yeah I didn't want to get into it but another issue with that post is that indeed, "cheating" on jumps isn't specific to ladies. Or Russian ladies. So that sort of generalization is pretty malicious.
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Fernandez doesn't pre-rotate as much as others. A lot of people are doing 3/4 turn on takeoffs these days. He also actually finishes the rotation in the air, he's not just slamming into the ice with his body still tightly wound.
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That's it, this type of a prerotation is so common even among men that I wonder why anyone is even bothered by it
BTW it is interesting to consider them (Fernandez, Hanyu) both being part of the same team.
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Do we have any news about Alena except for 'she's training' ?
No confirmation if she'll be at the Cup? No info on whether she has her 3A back? No info about that mysterious (back?) injury she has/had since the start of the season or on whether she's fully recovered from Covid?
Much to her fans' bad luck, whilst to her intelligence, she's much less active on social media than the other girls
No confirmation if she'll be at the Cup? No info on whether she has her 3A back? No info about that mysterious (back?) injury she has/had since the start of the season or on whether she's fully recovered from Covid?
Much to her fans' bad luck, whilst to her intelligence, she's much less active on social media than the other girls
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Apparently she responded to a fan who was upset she wasn't included in the jumping competition that she had nothing to show, so I think the 3A remains MIA.
I could only find it in stories form so this link is only good for 20 hours: https://instagram.com/stories/yuzuu...urce=ig_story_item_share&igshid=124vmvx5xfhcb
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I'd have to imagine that if the 3A was back, we'd know. Plushenko doesn't exactly hesitate posting content on Angels' instagram for example.
I assume she'll work on that in the spring after the season and whether she gets it back determines whether she'll be in contention for a spot for the Olympics.
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Umm, where are you getting that they aren't very consistent? Of the 3 quad girls, Shcherbakova, Trusova and Valieva, the only 1 that has a significant number of falls is Trusova but she's still landing more than she's falling with the exception of 2 competitions over the last 2 seasons. Shcherbakova has delivered 3 straight years at Russian senior nationals so she doesn't appear to be a skater whom nerves will greatly affect her skating, Valieva and Trusova perhaps nerves could affect them, but based off the data Valieva has landed most of her quads; so they can take a chance that Trusova might bomb her FS because the 2 other girls are consistent with theirs. Below are some charts I did for the last 2 seasons for all 3 of them.
Shcherbakova:
2019-2020 Season:
| Competition | Attempted | Landed | Fall |
| Lombardia | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| Skate America | 2 | 2 | 0 |
| Cup of China | 2 | 2 | 0 |
| GPF | 3 | 2 | 1 |
| Nationals | 3 | 3 | 0 |
| Europeans | 3 | 2 | 1 |
| Total | 14 | 12 | 2 |
2020-2021 Season
| Competition | Attempted | Landed | Fall |
| Russian Cup Stage 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| Russian Cup Stage 3 | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| Nationals | 2 | 2 | 0 |
| Total | 4 | 4 | 0 |
Valieva
2019-2020 Season
| Competition | Attempted | Landed | Fall |
| JGP France | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| JGP Russia | 2 | 1 | 1 |
| Junior Nationals | 2 | 2 | 0 |
| Junior Worlds | 2 | 2 | 0 |
| Total | 7 | 6 | 1 |
2020-2021 Season
| Competition | Attempted | Landed | Fall |
| Russian Cup Stage 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 |
| Russian Cup Stage 5 | 2 | 2 | 0 |
| Nationals | 2 | 2 | 0 |
| Total | 6 | 5 | 1 |
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How many times have these quad girls actually lost to non-quad girls due to their perceived inconsistency?
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