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Um never?
2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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Agreed. Someone like Trusova can fall 5 times, get an edge call, two other "q" calls and still score almost 200 points. Cleaning up a few of those mistakes easily adds 20-30 points to her score.
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At least they were consistent and didn't call it girls vs men.
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Not never... Sasha lost at Rostelecom this year, and her and Anna both finished behind Aliona last year (Sasha 3 times, Anna twice). If the op was including triple axel girls in "quad girls"I guess it would just be Sasha finishing behind whoever was third at Rostelecom. I wouldn't call Sasha consistent. Anna went 4 for 4 on quads but made an unusual amount of other mistakes. Kamila was somewhere in the middle. I don't think any of them had clean frees this year until Nationals (not positive on that). It's hard to judge consistency from this fake season without real stakes except the one National title. If next season happens, I suspect we might see these and other girls attempting as many quads/3As as possible to see what sticks. All consistency might fly out the window, at least for the first half of the season. But if I'm the RusFed, I'm still not putting anyone w/o ultra-C elements on the Olympic team.Um never?
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I think when people are asking for a pro-circuit, they're asking for a competition between all the adult skaters who have already retired from ameteur competition. Medvedeva and Zagitova vs Radionova and Sotskova or something like that. They would all be on a similar playing field. Adult bodies, years past their peaks, working to get back their triples, focusing on the performances. Invite Lipnitskaya and Pogorilaya who are also mothers, and it would be even more amazing to watch. But having two almost/unofficially retired skaters compete against much younger girls at the heights of their ameteur careers, who are currently undergoing Olympic level training - it wouldn't fair. I'm happy this team competition is a chance for whoever to win and make money, etc. But a pro-circuit would be something completely different.People will say Russian ladies need a pro-circuit because there are so many past and present talents, and then when something like a pro competition arises, we have people hating on the “uncompetitive” girls for participating in some form
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People will say Russian ladies need a pro-circuit because there are so many past and present talents, and then when something like a pro competition arises, we have people hating on the “uncompetitive” girls for participating in some form
This would have looked more like a circus rather than circuit.
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I think that story ended on December 13. So I don't see the point of considering something like that.
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Yes, it's reminder that we are talking about retired skaters who have been made captains by 1tv and RusFed so that they (1tv, etc make money, oops sorry popularizing the sport ). The headlines next day: "Athleticism by the quad wonders and artistry by the captains" a magical evening at Megasport.
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BTW the Russian words used were not "kids, little girls and boys": there are actually two words for the English "girl" or "boy". There is a word девочка and мальчик meaning girl and boy before adolescence, but the words used in the article were девушка and юноша, meaning adolescents or rather young adults. As an example, Romeo and Juliet would be called девушка and юноша.
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Who do folks consider the most notable novice-age girls at this point in time? Any particularly notable names missing from the lists below?
2008s
Liza Kulikova
Polina Plakhotnaia
Veronika Zhilina
Dasha Sadkova
Alisa Dvoeglazova
2009s
Sofya Titova
Lyubov Rubtsova
Ksenia Melkumova
Maria Gordeeva
Sonya Shifrina
Sofia Dzepka
2010s
Alena Zhilina
Elizaveta Andreeva
Alena Krivonosova
Alena Prineva
Daria Sarymsakova
2011s
Valeria Lukashova
Elena Kostyleva
Polina Shesheleva
Margarita Bazyliuk
2012s
Arina Parsegova
Sofia Sarnovskaya
2008s
Liza Kulikova
Polina Plakhotnaia
Veronika Zhilina
Dasha Sadkova
Alisa Dvoeglazova
2009s
Sofya Titova
Lyubov Rubtsova
Ksenia Melkumova
Maria Gordeeva
Sonya Shifrina
Sofia Dzepka
2010s
Alena Zhilina
Elizaveta Andreeva
Alena Krivonosova
Alena Prineva
Daria Sarymsakova
2011s
Valeria Lukashova
Elena Kostyleva
Polina Shesheleva
Margarita Bazyliuk
2012s
Arina Parsegova
Sofia Sarnovskaya
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Margarita Bazyliuk was born March 12th 2011. According to: https://allskaters.info/margarita_bazylyuk/
Maybe Maria Paramonova and even Sofia Vazhnova could be added to 2008. And you could have Ilina Askarova as the only 2013.
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Thanks! And good catch on Margarita. I'll edit that in my original post.
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For 2008-2009, Veronika Zhilina for many reasons, mainly because she has 3Axel and multiple different quads. She also has some extraordinary flexibility. Probably the greatest figure skating talent period, at this point.
Dvoeglazova and Gordeeva both have some sort of a quad, though I'm not impressed with either skater.
Dzepka and Melkumova would be notable for PCS / skating skills, but Melkumova for example hasn't competed in a year due to injury, though apparently she's training.
For 2010, Alena Krivonosova is notable primarily for PCS / skating skills, although I have high hopes for her in general. Alena Zhilina of course has the 3Axel and is training for quads. Not at the level of her older sister, but who knows.
For 2011 there's Kostyleva who's easily the biggest talent out of these, and in general the biggest talent outside of Veronika Zhilina, though with some reservations. I think the Russians have been calling her the "miracle girl" or something. All the triple jumps as well as a 3-3 combo and some fantastic PCS categories and skating skills. Question's coaching decisions and how they'll impact her in the future. Bazyliuk certainly has jumping talent but PCS-wise not great, and skating skills are a disaster.
For 2012, I know Parsegova was with Eteri and now with Plushenko's school but I don't see anything. The other skater, no opinion. I'd have Polina Sazhina here.
Ilina Askarova probably worth a mention for 2013 since she's been quite far ahead of her age group. She's more advanced than these 2012s, strength being PCS.
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Just be clear because some members are new here and can get the wrong impression. I was sarcastic in my previous posts. If I watched Alina's Me Voy? I think my avatar says a lot if watched it or not. And yes, even Alina's shadow is more artistic than the current skaters.
I thought it was obvious
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That’s exactly what I’m saying though. I wa saying that it is not due to them being female, but it is due to how they were trained. Like you said, males can be trained with worse technique too.
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I don't remember her age, but Anastasia Marasonova was pretty good at younger age nationals last year (I believe she placed second ahead of Dzepka).
Because comparing the girls to Nathan and Hanyu fits their narrative vs. If the girls were compared to some of the other guys.
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Marasanova is 2009. I'm not sure about the exact birthday.
She's quite good indeed, though she doesn't seem to have a 3-3 combo.
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Idk if there's much talk about the others, but Shoma certainly has been dragged up and down for his technique. But it makes sense to compare the top 2 ladies to the top 2 men if they're doing the same jumps. I'm not sure anyone is suggestion that the technique is poor because they're ladies. I just think it's not much of a topic in the men's field right now because the 2 skaters with the best technique almost always beat the ones without it. It's a big topic in the ladies field because there aren't any senior ladies jumping quads with good technique at the moment, so the poor technique is winning and all we have to look at. Not to mention ladies' quads are so new and ladies are more exciting in general
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