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Alena Kostornaia says in her new instagram post that she has a completely new long program. Also from Shae-Lynn.
woah. i'm not so sure about this. if she were in shape it would be another story, but learning a new program plus still getting into shape when only 2 months of the season are left...
 
woah. i'm not so sure about this. if she were in shape it would be another story, but learning a new program plus still getting into shape when only 2 months of the season are left...
I am not surprised. After Rostelecom Cup the Russian Federation wrote on their website that they are not a fan of Aliona's free skate. Would not be the first time that skaters change programs after the Federation gave negative feedback. I remember Tarakanova had to change her Imagine Dragons program to Moonlight Sonata, because officials did not like her ID program.
My guess is that Aliona will likely keep the program for next season.
 
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I am not surprised. After Rostelecom Cup the Russian Federation wrote on their website that they are not a fan of Aliona's free skate. Would not be the first time that skaters change programs after the Federation gave negative feedback. I remember Tarakanova had to change her Imagine Dragons program to Moonlight Sonata, because officials did not like her ID program.

If I remember correctly for Tarakanova it was really just a music swap, not a totally new program.
 
I hope it works out - but also, given that the last one clearly didn't, I'd have sought someone in Russia. The virtual choreography must have hurt her last time, so I'd have at least asked Averbukh? Definitely not Rozanov.
 
I hope it works out - but also, given that the last one clearly didn't, I'd have sought someone out in Russia. The virtual choreography must have hurt her last time, so I'd have at least asked Averbukh? Definitely not Rozanov.
Isn't it Rozanov the wonderer? Anyway this time Lakernik got involved everything will be fine. Plus it's an indication that worlds probably will happen. Except if they want a new program for the Ice age 2 megasport version.
 
Idk if there's much talk about the others, but Shoma certainly has been dragged up and down for his technique. But it makes sense to compare the top 2 ladies to the top 2 men if they're doing the same jumps. I'm not sure anyone is suggestion that the technique is poor because they're ladies. I just think it's not much of a topic in the men's field right now because the 2 skaters with the best technique almost always beat the ones without it. It's a big topic in the ladies field because there aren't any senior ladies jumping quads with good technique at the moment, so the poor technique is winning and all we have to look at. Not to mention ladies' quads are so new and ladies are more exciting in general 😀
Ok, Shoma has received criticism (yay, #yougotme :P), but majority aren’t really mentioned at all, and they’re not that much better. It’s just the criticism seems to be very selective and targeted, and often specifically singles out ladies in an attempt to show how their quads are „cheated“. Not any more or less than those of majority of male skaters.
 
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I am not surprised. After Rostelecom Cup the Russian Federation wrote on their website that they are not a fan of Aliona's free skate. Would not be the first time that skaters change programs after the Federation gave negative feedback. I remember Tarakanova had to change her Imagine Dragons program to Moonlight Sonata, because officials did not like her ID program.
My guess is that Aliona will likely keep the program for next season.
Did Rusfed say that?
The one that I read said that the way she skated her free skate was already better than the last time, but still lacked compared to previous seasons, and that the program needs further polishing. Are you referring to this commentary, or to some other one?
In this press release they commented on her overall skating/shape, rather than the program itself.
 
Ok, Shoma has received criticism, but majority aren’t really mentioned at all, and they’re not that much better. It’s just the criticism seems to be very selective and targeted, and often specifically singles out ladies in an attempt to show how their quads are „cheated“. Not any more or less than those of majority of male skaters.
This is probably going to devolve very quickly yet again lol, but I think the reason Shoma + Shcherbakova have been singled out is because they go beyond forward on take-offs. I do think Trusova used to pre-rotate more than "ok" in juniors, but not anymore (which is certainly a praise for her own efforts + Eteri last season + Plushy this season). Apart from Uno, I actually think Gogolev was the worst - but he's never been a big thing on the circuits. Aliev is the only other particular bad technician that comes to mind. Every other man is "ok" to good to textbook.

I will give you that some of the criticism (from a certain notorious YouTuber and their followers) did seem to come from the fact that they were Russian, and were from the leading Russian Lady camp.
 
This is probably going to devolve very quickly yet again lol, but I think the reason Shoma + Shcherbakova have been singled out is because they go beyond forward on take-offs. I do think Trusova used to pre-rotate more than "ok" early in juniors, but not anymore (which is certainly a praise for her own efforts + Eteri last season + Plushy this season). Apart from Uno, I actually think Gogolev was the worst - but he's never been a big thing on the circuits. Aliev is the only other particular bad technician that comes to mind. Every other man is "ok" to good to textbook.

I will give you that some of the criticism (from a certain notorious YouTuber and their followers) did seem to come from the fact that they were Russian, and were from the leading Russian Lady camp.
To me the differences don’t seem to be that big in between all of the mentioned skaters, not in terms of pre-rotation at least. There are other things, like that toe hammer take off for Shoma, Anna, which makes things more noticeable and overall less pleasing, but that’s another issue. The difference between degrees is negligible, imo.
 
This is probably going to devolve very quickly yet again lol, but I think the reason Shoma + Shcherbakova have been singled out is because they go beyond forward on take-offs. I do think Trusova used to pre-rotate more than "ok" in juniors, but not anymore (which is certainly a praise for her own efforts + Eteri last season + Plushy this season). Apart from Uno, I actually think Gogolev was the worst - but he's never been a big thing on the circuits. Aliev is the only other particular bad technician that comes to mind. Every other man is "ok" to good to textbook.

I will give you that some of the criticism (from a certain notorious YouTuber and their followers) did seem to come from the fact that they were Russian, and were from the leading Russian Lady camp.

Both pre-rotate and their jumps are not big. Even though Shcherbakova usually have nice axis position in her jumps. For example T. Kawabata's 3F, is bigger in height than Shcherbakova's 4F.
 
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To me the differences don’t seem to be that big in between all of the mentioned skaters, not in terms of pre-rotation at least. There are other things, like that toe hammer take off for Shoma, Anna, which makes things more noticeable and overall less pleasing, but that’s another issue. The difference between degrees is negligible, imo.

Shcherbakova's hammer toe was better this season in the cup events, at Nationals it was more reminiscent of last season but I think we need to give her some tiny slack that she was not doing program run throughs until she was at Nationals.
 
To me the differences don’t seem to be that big in between all of the mentioned skaters, not in terms of pre-rotation at least. There are other things, like that toe hammer take off for Shoma, Anna, which makes things more noticeable and overall less pleasing, but that’s another issue. The difference between degrees is negligible, imo.
I do agree that it's too much scrutiny for my taste, and it usually devolves into bashing.
 
It is because Shoma and Anna are winning big medals with this kind of technique. That is why.
I guess people want the big winners to have textbook or at least very good technique and to look beautifully, exquisite.
 
I remember Tarakanova had to change her Imagine Dragons program to Moonlight Sonata, because officials did not like her ID program.
My guess is that Aliona will likely keep the program for next season.
If I remember correctly for Tarakanova it was really just a music swap, not a totally new program.
There where definitely a lot of recycled material from the Imagine dragons FS in Tarakanovas Monlight Sonata program but there where several sctions they had to change to fit the new music.
I would not be surprised if that where to be the case with Alionas new program as well.

Hopefully she will keep this program for next season unless this also gets rejected by the fed. Considering the minimal amount of competitions this season I would not be surprised if several skaters would keep programs for next season. For example I think kamilla should keep her short since I think its just so good.
 
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