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The emphasis placed on a single competition - the Olympics - is a bit frustrating sometimes. It does cement the ‘once every four years’ curse of skating.

A well held World Champs with a full and knowledgeable audience is always going to be better than an Olympic competition from a fan perspective.
 
The emphasis placed on a single competition - the Olympics - is a bit frustrating sometimes. It does cement the ‘once every four years’ curse of skating.

A well held World Champs with a full and knowledgeable audience is always going to be better than an Olympic competition from a fan perspective.
Sure that it is better from a fan perspective. But what is unique is more precious. Like in Eminem's song: "if you had one shot, one opportunity to seize everything you ever wanted, one moment, would you capture it, or just let it slip?" Now for a skater in ladies there is truly one shot to capture the OGM after years and years of training and competitions. Trusova, Scherbakova, Kihira even Valieva as 2026 OGM contenders? I would rather say no than yes. That's why the drama, that's why the emphasis.
 
Of course she cannot possibly be compared to people like Messi or Ronaldo 😂 Not even Yuzuru can. They are multi millionaires. Then have fan merch. They are international celebrities. Go anywhere in the world and people know those names. Ask someone on the street outside of Russia about Alina Zagitova, or any skater, and they'll have never heard of them. Figure skating is not a popular sport and never will be.
Russia and Japan are the best we can do, the rest of the world doesn't care really.
Why not? She's been the absolute master of her craft, one of the most successful figure skaters in history, regularly winning in popularity contests, respected by opponents and adored by fans. You can't compare the SPORTS, it's prosperity and populariry, but you can compare the ATHLETES within. Besides, it's much about demographics as well - ask preteen Russian girl about Zagitova, Messi and Ronaldo and she will reply Alina skates in Jacksons and she doesn't know two other brands. :laugh:
 
Thank you, kind soul named Finley, for providing all that data. (Delicious, delicious data!) Those are some good metrics by which we can judge that Alina is perhaps the most popular figure skater (by the metrics provided) in Russia, but not necessarily the most popular athlete in general. Not sure what survey I had remembered seeing, but no matter.

By the way, who is this tennis player named Medvedev? I wonder if Alina has a longstanding rivalry with him. (OK, sorry, couldn't resist.)
Absolutely not. Alina is the most popular female athlete at present in Russia but way behind those on top according to the poll. Even Khabib and Dzyuba who are first and second can not be compared to the God-like status of Messi and Jordan respectively among fans in Argentina and the USA, which is is something else.

This is where the stress is in Mishin's words: he praised Alina first and foremost as a media person.

Alina's popularity is not only well-deserved, based on objective data - her achievements and attractiveness, but also, on the other hand, media interest was based on the drama of 2018 and the ensuing controversy which has been happily used by media ever after. The latter is still a welcome topic for the media: we've had a proof in the 1st Channel Cup.
I don't think there is a thing like not well deserved popularity. Popularity is popularity. Alina is indeed lacking a bit of drama in her popularity profile. She is seen as the very beautiful extremely successful figure skater. she is not as sparkling and interesting as zhenya for example. Everything is too smooth. While Zhenya is full of drama in everything she does (skates at nationals, public fall out with lifetime coach and reconciliation, traitor, but comming back to mother russia, intense looks, meltdown performances, covid, too thing too fat, and on and on) . If Alina doesn't add something interesting in her profile, or some sort of drama, she will be forgotten very soon. She is quit far away from beeing a legend. How about public fall out with Tarasova or Yagoudin? 😉 She obviously doesn't like them and both of them would fire back full blast for sure🤗
 
I don't think there is a thing like not well deserved popularity. Popularity is popularity. Alina is indeed lacking a bit of drama in her popularity profile. She is seen as the very beautiful extremely successful figure skater. she is not as sparkling and interesting as zhenya for example. Everything is too smooth. While Zhenya is full of drama in everything she does (skates at nationals, public fall out with lifetime coach and reconciliation, traitor, but comming back to mother russia, intense looks, meltdown performances, covid, too thing too fat, and on and on) . If Alina doesn't add something interesting in her profile, or some sort of drama, she will be forgotten very soon. She is quit far away from beeing a legend. How about public fall out with Tarasova or Yagoudin? 😉 She obviously doesn't like them and both of them would fire back full blast for sure🤗
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Why not? She's been the absolute master of her craft, one of the most successful figure skaters in history, regularly winning in popularity contests, respected by opponents and adored by fans. You can't compare the SPORTS, it's prosperity and populariry, but you can compare the ATHLETES within. Besides, it's much about demographics as well - ask preteen Russian girl about Zagitova, Messi and Ronaldo and she will reply Alina skates in Jacksons and she doesn't know two other brands. :laugh:
Compare athletes? Messi's considered once-in-a-generation type of a talent if not more(with another one like that in Ronaldo) while Zagitova's outperformed athletically by people immediately following her, lika Kostornaya, Trusova, Shcherbakova etc. and the list will only grow.
 
Compare athletes? Messi's considered once-in-a-generation type of a talent if not more(with another one like that in Ronaldo) while Zagitova's outperformed athletically by people immediately following her, lika Kostornaya, Trusova, Shcherbakova etc. and the list will only grow.
Messi, an once-in-a-generation athletic talent? Are you kidding me? :eek:
Guy is short, unproportionally built, not naturally muscular at all, needed growth hormone as a kid to even take on sports, while
Alina in her best competitive shape looked like a supermodel with supernatural stamina. You must have confused personages we're discussing.
 
Compare athletes? Messi's considered once-in-a-generation type of a talent if not more(with another one like that in Ronaldo) while Zagitova's outperformed athletically by people immediately following her, lika Kostornaya, Trusova, Shcherbakova etc. and the list will only grow.
Well, that's the point. That's why you can't compare football stars to figure skaters.
The rules of football and the athletic skills requiered to succeed in it have stayed exactly the same for decades, while in figure skating, the rules are changing constantly and the sport is evolving so quickly (in Russia), that the older skaters will always be catching up to the newer generations, who were brought up: a) knowing that ultra-c jumps are not only possible but necessary and b) training them from a young age.

Another point is that the careers of figure skaters are super short compared to the careers of footballers. Messi is what? in his 30's now? But it took him a 15+ year long career to become who he is now. If Messi had had to retire at 18, I doubt anyone would even know his name.
 
Messi, an once-in-a-generation athletic talent? Are you kidding me? :eek:
Guy is short, unproportionally built, not naturally muscular at all, needed growth hormone as a kid to even take on sports, while
Alina in her best competitive shape looked like a supermodel with supernatural stamina. You must have confused personages we're discussing.
...you cannot be serious. He may not be physically commanding, but there is absolutely no doubt that is he a once-in-a-generation kind of talent. You cannot have even the slightest knowledge of football and deny this. But then again, you wouldn't be saying clueless things like "if Messi was half the winner Maradonna was, he would've won the world cup twice". Football is not an individual sport, and tactics (which were nothing compared to what they've evolved to become today) have developed a LONG way from the 80s, making it harder for forwards to just run through brute force through defenders and score. In short, it's gotten harder than ever for one person to carry a team but Messi has still managed to do so throughout his career. And many people will argue that Messi is more technically gifted than Maradonna and Ronaldinho, so I'm not sure why you find it so ridiculous that he is undeniably a legend of the sport and arguably the greatest player of all time. Speaking strictly on what Messi means to football and what Alina means to figure skating, there simply is no comparison. He'll be talked about as one of the greatest talents of all time in decades to come. And I'd think even hardcore Alina fans would agree with this.
 
Messi, an once-in-a-generation athletic talent? Are you kidding me? :eek:
Guy is short, unproportionally built, not naturally muscular at all, needed growth hormone as a kid to even take on sports, while
Alina in her best competitive shape looked like a supermodel with supernatural stamina. You must have confused personages we're discussing.
Wait I thought we were discussing sport not a beauty pageant or a bodybuilding competition for who has the hottest, muscular body. Having tons of muscle doesnt automatically makes you a better athletes esp in football. Its not American football where its more about brute strength. Also Messi being short is actually an advantage for him because his center of gravity is lower therefore his balance is much easier. Thats why he can do all those crazy dribbles.
 
Messi, an once-in-a-generation athletic talent? Are you kidding me? :eek:
Guy is short, unproportionally built, not naturally muscular at all, needed growth hormone as a kid to even take on sports, while
Alina in her best competitive shape looked like a supermodel with supernatural stamina. You must have confused personages we're discussing.
Ever seen Messi play football?

And Alina's physique's hardly special among figure skaters. Supermodel, supernatural stamina? How ridiculous. You can compliment her without this stuff. Being pretty isn't an athletic feature.
 
Well, that's the point. That's why you can't compare football stars to figure skaters.
The rules of football and the athletic skills requiered to succeed in it have stayed exactly the same for decades, while in figure skating, the rules are changing constantly and the sport is evolving so quickly (in Russia), that the older skaters will always be catching up to the newer generations, who were brought up: a) knowing that ultra-c jumps are not only possible but necessary and b) training them from a young age.

Another point is that the careers of figure skaters are super short compared to the careers of footballers. Messi is what? in his 30's now? But it took him a 15+ year long career to become who he is now. If Messi had had to retire at 18, I doubt anyone would even know his name.
To be fair, a footballer retiring at age 18 would be much like a figure skater retiring at about 13. An 18 year old footballer is pretty much in the very beginning stages of his career in present day football. Messi was already well established as one of the best talents of his generation at age 21 and was widely regarded as one of the greatest of all time at age 25. A footballer's prime years is generally in his late 20s to early 30s. If Messi had been performing at his peak in his teenage years and retired at age 18, people would surely remember him but he wouldn't be the legend he is today. Furthermore, it is absolutely not true that the athletic skills required to succeed in football have stayed the same, but that discussion would get far too long. But this is straying from the point. My point is, and not addressing you, that you CANNOT compare Alina to figure skating and Messi to football.
 
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Wait I thought we were discussing sport not a beauty pageant or a bodybuilding competition for who has the hottest, muscular body. Having tons of muscle doesnt automatically makes you a better athletes esp in football. Its not American football where its more about brute strength. Also Messi being short is actually an advantage for him because his center of gravity is lower therefore his balance is much easier. Thats why he can do all those crazy dribbles.
Agreed, but it's not me who used "once-in-a-generation athletic talent" phrase. I respect Messi, he's certainly my top 5 footballer of all time, still he wouldn't be my top 500 athletic talent, that's all. I have no idea why Shayuki used that argument supporting Messi's greatness. :shrug:
 
Blast from the Past

I was looking at old Russian Nat Juniors results and I kind of got stuck at 2017 - four years ago.
We all know these skaters, and some of them have already resigned... :(

The results (old GOE system):
1. Alina Zagitova 216.82 (still active...kind of)
2. Stanislava Konstantinova 200.85 (still active)
3. Polina Tsurskaya 200.08 (resigned)
4. Alexandra Trusova 194.60 (still active)
5. Daria Panenkova 192.52 (resigned)
6. Alisa Fedichkina 186.33 (resigned)
7. Anastasia Gubanova 185.79 (still active)
8. Anastasia Gulyakova 182.00 (still active)
9. Ekaterina Kurakova 180.79 (still active for Poland)
10. Anna Tarusina 180.22 (resigned)
11. Elizaveta Nugumanova 178.83 (still active)
12. Sofia Samodurova 176.70 (still active)
13. Viktoria Vasilieva 171.47 (changed to Pairs)
14. Anastasia Tarakanova 165.38 (still active)
15. Maria Talalaikina 163.36 (still active)
16. Alëna Kostornaia 161.25 (still active)
17. Ksenia Pankova 153.07 (?? I don't know this girl)
18. Ekaterina Mitrofanova 151.33 (?? I don't know this girl)

Overall, a tough bunch of young future stars.

I found Maria Talalaikina's free program. Nice, and she was clean. A little rough around the edges and a bit juniorish...but she beat Kostornaia!!

 
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Ever seen Messi play football?

And Alina's physique's hardly special among figure skaters. Supermodel, supernatural stamina? How ridiculous. You can compliment her without this stuff. Being pretty isn't an athletic feature.
Who's talking pretty? Can't you see the girl has been perfect jumping/power/rotational machine with long, graceful legs and arms letting her rock those swan/ballerina extentions? Add to this her insane stamina (she sad after her Olympic FS she could skate one more right away) and you understand she's unique physical phenomenon.
You look at Messi and you see slim, short, regular guy, pretty quick and agile, who worked insanely hard to get when he's now. Respect to him, but it blows my mind how you can put both in the same sentence regarding innate athleticism. :eek:
 
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