Just out of curiosity, I know that football could be considered an endurance based sport but not so much as rowing, but if figure skating is not considered an endurance based sport, what is it classified as? What are the requirements for a sport to be considered endurance based?
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For those who love comparisons backed up by data. FS made the top 20. Still pretty subjective, but it's something.
I know, I'll stop!I like this! This Messi talk will get us to 1000 pages in no time.
What do you guys think about Kylian Mbappe and Robert Lewandowski? Are they better than Medvedeva?
It's pointless anyway, just nitpicking
surprising that figure skating is only ranked 19th
When I first saw figure skating, I thought that it must be the most difficult sport in the world with all the spinning and jumping. I guess the skills that figure skaters learn (rotating) are ingrained at such a young age that it doesn't necessarily require as much physically as the other sports. I do think that what separates figure skating and for example, rhythmic gymnastics, apart from the more physically demanding sports (according to that data) are the mental games. I understand that matches must be nerve-wrecking for other sports as well, but something about having to execute planned elements within just 3 to 4 minutes on ice makes even viewers feel extremely nervous.
According to that, it's 5th only counting individual sports.
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Thanks for correcting me. I misread.
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Yes, but tenth (?) in the "endurance" category for individual sports.
Third for "flexibility." Diving? Whatever!
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I don't know. There's a lot of young promises out there that don't necessarily explode or become superstars in later years. He might have been remembered by Barcelona fans or argentinians, but not by everyone.
It's very off topic, but, are you saying that any young talented footballers training right now (around 10-15 years old) will start their professional careers with technically superior athletic skills to the players that are dominating the game right now?
ETA: If we consider that ladies figure skating is evolving at a pace where the skaters that were dominating just 2 years ago could hardly win a medal now, and the ones dominating right now will be struggling to catch up with the younger generations during the 1-4 years, I don't think it's fair to say that football or any other big sports out there are technically evolving at a similar pace.
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Of course not. What I am saying is that the sport has evolved so much in terms of tactics and the different skill sets that different positions on the field would have compared to 40 years ago. Unlike figure skating, football is not advantageous for young boys. They simply cannot compete with men in their 20s and 30s until they are at least in their late teens because it's such a physical sport. However, the skillsets of let's say, a successful number 10 from 40 years ago would be vastly different from a successful number 10 today.
I feel that you might have misunderstood me saying that footballers today require different skills than long ago to me saying that the evolution has mirrored figure skating's. What I meant was that football has also evolved in other directions suited for the sport, but I agree that figure skating's progression in the last couple of years is unmatched.
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Two weeks without competition and we are discussing Messi. As a figure skating fan, I'm a bit annoyed, but as a football enthusiast I welcome this with open arms!
But seriously, Messi is one of the most naturally talented footballers. He is not a fanatically hard worker, his physique is not the most favourable, but with the amazing skills he makes it an advantage - and has been doing so for many years. His appearance has nothing to do with it and he looks like a normal healthy person in his mid 30s. Obviously, as a figure skater he is an absolute zero, probably couldn't even land a 1Lo, let alone a combination in the second half.
But seriously, Messi is one of the most naturally talented footballers. He is not a fanatically hard worker, his physique is not the most favourable, but with the amazing skills he makes it an advantage - and has been doing so for many years. His appearance has nothing to do with it and he looks like a normal healthy person in his mid 30s. Obviously, as a figure skater he is an absolute zero, probably couldn't even land a 1Lo, let alone a combination in the second half.
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But these changes are tactical, which more about the mental and strategic aspects of the sport. The technical skills necessary to be a top player (speed, dribbling, passing the ball, kicking the ball...) have remained exactly the same, as well as the method of training them. And they probably will stay the same for years to come.
Liza Nugumanova hopes she can go to Worlds, thankfully she doesn't read the int'l scoring potential analysis in this forum. 
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Those are the basic skills every footballer should have. You would not expect strikers to have the same dribbling and passing capabilities as a midfielder. But differences in tactics for sure affect the level to which different footballers in different positions train and master various skills such as dribbling, passing, etc. Forwards can no longer get away with just being good scorers in front of the net, they have to be competent at other skills as well because of tactics making results more reliant on team work and scoring on individual merit alone difficult. Training methods have also surely changed to accommodate these differences.
The comparison between football and figure skating's evolution is tricky because one is individual and the other is a team sport. So the ways in which the sports develop will no doubt be different, but to say that the training methods and athletic skills needed to succeed in football are the same across decades is vague and a stretch because of the different positions. Some argue that football has become a completely new game despite keeping the same basic skills. I 100% agree that figure skating has shown faster progression in the past few years.
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Lovely Liza!Liza Nugumanova hopes she can go to Worlds, thankfully she doesn't read the int'l scoring potential analysis in this forum.
Go Liza!
Russia's Elizaveta Nugumanova stays motivated despite heavy field
Elizaveta Nugumanova is just 18 years old, but she is nearly considered a veteran given the quick turnaround in Russian Ladies’ skating. The skater fromwww.goldenskate.com
Well, all she needs to do is win the Russian Cup Final and she's on!
I love Liza Ns skating but honestly I find it kind of unlikely she will be picked over both Liza T (favourite for now) and Aliona (2nd favourite for now but potential to move to 1st). I would say Liza N is in tied 3rd with the likes of Nastya Guliakova and Sofia Samodurova.Liza Nugumanova hopes she can go to Worlds, thankfully she doesn't read the int'l scoring potential analysis in this forum.
Go Liza!
Russia's Elizaveta Nugumanova stays motivated despite heavy field
Elizaveta Nugumanova is just 18 years old, but she is nearly considered a veteran given the quick turnaround in Russian Ladies’ skating. The skater fromwww.goldenskate.com
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I would say thus far it looks kind of like this:
- Liza T/Alyona
- Liza N - has shown better results overall than Guliakova and Samodurova, and has been pretty consistently getting over 190 these past competitions
- Nastya Guliakova - had one great competition at Rostelecom but hasn't had any other good results, not very consistent
- Sonya Samodurova - moderately consistent in terms of landing things but RusFed has really been out to underscore her, also had a few not-so-great competitions like Rostelecom
I really hope Liza N can get a GP (crossing my fingers for two) next year and that she does amazingly at this Cup Final. She deserves it! (Maybe - just maybe - she can get released??? I don't know if she wants that but certainly representing most other countries she'd be guaranteed a spot at Worlds).
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There is no 3rd option. Kostornaia and Tuktamysheva has to have complete melt downs for that...like scoring 10 tech points. And that won't happen.
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IMO, Messi cannot be defined as a prime example of athletic, he is technical in first place. Mbappe is athletic for example. The thing is that definition of 'technical' in a soccer game includes some 'artistic' factors too, it means also aesthetic product of your athletic ability. Words as 'athletic' and 'technical' have different connotation in figure skating and soccer, that is the first problem about the comparison we want to make. The other problem why you can't compare those two sports is that soccer is a team sport. In Barcelona's shirt, Messi is really one of a kind, but in Argentina shirt, he is just an ordinary soccer player. The similar story is applicable to Jordan, he wouldn't be that good he didn't have Pippen and whole Chicago team to assist him in his greatness. Taking them individually, i see today better sport players than both Messi and Jordan were, now if they will become great as those two is another question. Off topic emoji.
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