2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[chasingneverland]

I think the actual winner of this season was Dudokov. At the beginning of the season people were giving waaay too much credit to Rozonov for 3A/quads of Sambo skaters and discrediting Dudokv's work.
When Kamila landed that 3A I wasn't sure if I was more happy for Kamila or for Dudokov. Then it was Kamila's quad sal and then Maiia's quad toe and quad sal.

The battle of the year was the battle of the Sergeis. I'm glad we were able to see which Sergei was the clear winner of that battle.

Dudokov's fist pumps, smiles, and obvious joy when the girls (and boys) succeeded was perfect and wonderful to see!! He tends to be happy being behind the scenes but it's also obvious that he puts his heart and soul into his work with his students. Even Anna's quads too - yes she had a 4Lz and 4F before but both actually look better! And she was able to do them after recovering from pneumonia. That must be at least partially attributed to Dudokov as well. And on top of that she learned a 4F-3T and she's never done a combo with the 4F before! And Adelina learned a quad (she has a 4T-2T)! (The last ones haven't been done in competition yet but they have been learned!) All of them were able to get their quads back too after the loss of training time and uncertainty due to covid - Anna, Kamila, Sofia A, etc - and all of them look as good or better than they did before!

I loved that yesterday at the medal ceremony Eteri made him come over! He deserved that moment as well!

(All this not to take away from Sergei Rozonov's work - he's had some successes this year too and I have no doubt he played a giant role in many of them getting their jumps and ultra-c elements to begin with especially those who he worked with in years before this - besides the true stars are the girls who go out to perform.)

 

[rollerblade]

Me too! But I think the same about the rule of not allowing senior ladies to do quads in the SP. It doesn't prevent them from learning them so what's the point? I get not wanting just jump programs but there are other rules for that.

Took ISU forever to allow senior ladies to do a solo 3A in the SP.

 

[chasingneverland]

Took ISU forever to allow senior ladies to do a solo 3A in the SP.

Oh I know haha. But also it's not like their limitations are working. Sofia A has literally forever to wait for international juniors much less seniors and she could legitimately win senior RusNats if she wasn't too young. They haven't slowed her down.

 

[Vlad Karigov]

Not sure who you mean by both. Sofia S and Adelya are first year Juniors, so I think they can compete at senior nationals next year. Sofia A is only a novice this year, and wont be old enough next year.

Both will be 14 years old, and at that age they will be able to compete at the Russian senior level, since the only requirement to compete in the senior nationals is to be 14 years old. For this reason, the pre-Olympiad nationals will be the most important event in the history of female figure skating... at least there will be 12 women with jumps ultra with the ability to score in the FS above 165 points ... totally incredibl ...

The list of the next nationals would be something like this... tell me if you don't think it will be the best tournament ever !!!

-Valieva (3A/4T/4S)
-Shcherbakova (3A?/4T?/4Lz/4F)
-Trusova (3A?/4T/4Lz/4S/4Lo?)
-Khromykh (4T/4S)
-Usacheva (3A?/4S?)
-Akatieva (3A/4T/4S)
-Samodelkina (3A/4S/4Lo?/4T?)
-Berestovskaia (4T/4S?)
-Tuktamysheva (3A/4T)
-Petrosyan (4T)
-Zhilina (3A?/4T)
-Kostornaia (3A?)

 

[chasingneverland]

Both will be 14 years old, and at that age they will be able to compete at the Russian senior level, since the only requirement to compete in the senior nationals is to be 14 years old. For this reason, the pre-Olympiad nationals will be the most important event in the history of female figure skating... at least there will be 12 women with jumps ultra with the ability to score in the FS above 165 points ... totally incredibl ...

The list of the next nationals would be something like this... tell me if you don't think it will be the best tournament ever !!!

I can't decide if I'm excited or terrified or nervous...

Also you forgot:

Sasha's 4F - she has one too. Viktoria Z has a 4Lz? and a 4S?. Kseniia S has a 4T? and 3A?. And Alena was training a 4S??

EDIT: Also potentially Maria D. (3A?) and Natalia L. (4T?) And probably more I can't remember but they're less less likely to make it.

Fortunately for the seniors - most of those names won't be senior next year.

 

[Anya00]

Both will be 14 years old, and at that age they will be able to compete at the Russian senior level, since the only requirement to compete in the senior nationals is to be 14 years old. For this reason, the pre-Olympiad nationals will be the most important event in the history of female figure skating... at least there will be 12 women with jumps ultra with the ability to score in the FS above 165 points ... totally incredibl ...

The list of the next nationals would be something like this... tell me if you don't think it will be the best tournament ever !!!

Won't Zhilina still be too young to compete? If I remember correctly Akatyeva is July 2007 and Zhilina's sometime in early 2008

 

[Dawn825]

Won't Zhilina still be too young to compete? If I remember correctly Akatyeva is July 2007 and Zhilina's sometime in early 2008

Maybe she'll miss it by a few weeks? Not necessarily a bad thing, she doesn't look ready to compete with seniors.

 

[Vlad Karigov]

Won't Zhilina still be too young to compete? If I remember correctly Akatyeva is July 2007 and Zhilina's sometime in early 2008

Zhilina is very young but Akatieva will be, she will be 14 years old and a few months when the quads war begins in this year's nationals...

 

[chasingneverland]

Won't Zhilina still be too young to compete? If I remember correctly Akatyeva is July 2007 and Zhilina's sometime in early 2008

Yeah, she'll actually turn 13 in a couple months so will be too young.

I'd say it will be good for her to rule juniors but the others will still be there haha. And next year will *hopefully* mean international competitions so unlike Kamila, Daria, and Maiia here they all will still go to junior comps - senior RusNats will just be a fun little bonus.

 

[sinus]

Viktoria Z

Dudokov

Rozonov

Who are all these people?

 

[Minz]

Limitations in the SP are dumb in general. Just allow quads and 3As if the skater can do them, if they're allowed in the FS as well.

Yeah, I think the ISU's reason for the no quads in the SP for ladies was because they didn't think anyone could do them. (but if that's the case then why would they be allowed in the FS?) This whole quad revolution is pretty recent so I guess it takes a while for rule changes to be implemented. They should allow quads in the SP.

 

[Decoder]

Dudokov's fist pumps, smiles, and obvious joy when the girls (and boys) succeeded was perfect and wonderful to see!! He tends to be happy being behind the scenes but it's also obvious that he puts his heart and soul into his work with his students. Even Anna's quads too - yes she had a 4Lz and 4F before but both actually look better! And she was able to do them after recovering from pneumonia. That must be at least partially attributed to Dudokov as well. And on top of that she learned a 4F-3T and she's never done a combo with the 4F before! And Adelina learned a quad (she has a 4T-2T)! (The last ones haven't been done in competition yet but they have been learned!) All of them were able to get their quads back too after the loss of training time and uncertainty due to covid - Anna, Kamila, Sofia A, etc - and all of them look as good or better than they did before!

I loved that yesterday at the medal ceremony Eteri made him come over! He deserved that moment as well!

(All this not to take away from Sergei Rozonov's work - he's had some successes this year too and I have no doubt he played a giant role in many of them getting their jumps and ultra-c elements to begin with especially those who he worked with in years before this - besides the true stars are the girls who go out to perform.)

Eteri team started the quad revolution, with Eteri's clear vision for the development of ladies FS, and Dudokov's strong technical help. I think from the very beginning Dudokov has been considered the main tech force behind it, from whom apprentices might have learned something and offered some help. The recent development just helped some to distinguish between illusion and reality. I am glad people are giving credit to the real hero.

 

[sashavis]

Just wanted to pop in here to say that I am really saddened by the poor technique I see on so many of these quads from the girls this season...

Some of them have beautiful jumps, but I'd much rather see a well executed CLEAN triple than a cheated or prerotated quad.

Also--some of the GOEs I have seen are... alarming. +0.50 for a hand down? Astonishing.

That being said--not trying to bash any of these girls, as they are all fantastic athletes capable of extraordinary things. Some of them are doing true quads. I just wish their technique was cleaner (ie no prerotation, no full blade assistance, etc), that is all!

 

[sashavis]

Also--not a fan of Bolero for Kamila. She's such a lovely skater, but the music never really seems to go anywhere, and almost seems... lifeless.

I would've loved to see a program that allowed her to really show who she is as a skater, I suppose. I just feel that Bolero doesn't suit her. Just my opinion though!

 

[chasingneverland]

Who are all these people?

rolls eyes

Did you know who I meant? I assume yes because of the reactions. Then it's just a moot, petty point.

If not, I assume context can help there - maybe some reading comprehension, perhaps? Also merely by translating Russian and the Cyrillic alphabet into English it's already not perfect.

So, kindly shut up. Thanks!

 

[Dawn825]

senior RusNats will just be a fun little bonus.

Fun? Senior Russian Nationals Ladies event?

 

[Shayuki]

Just wanted to pop in here to say that I am really saddened by the poor technique I see on so many of these quads from the girls this season...

Some of them have beautiful jumps, but I'd much rather see a well executed CLEAN triple than a cheated or prerotated quad.

Also--some of the GOEs I have seen are... alarming. +0.50 for a hand down? Astonishing.

That being said--not trying to bash any of these girls, as they are all fantastic athletes capable of extraordinary things. Some of them are doing true quads. I just wish their technique was cleaner (ie no prerotation, no full blade assistance, etc), that is all!

Yeah, great contribution. When it comes to pre-rotated quads, I assume you mean 4Lutz or 4Flip since pre-rotation is normal for the other quads. As it turns out, there were zero skaters doing either jump in this competition.

 

[chasingneverland]

Fun? Senior Russian Nationals Ladies event?

That was sarcastic haha. I do think it is fun for the juniors though. Terrifying but also fun - all of them have said something to that effect - there's no real pressure - there's not a spot on the line

 

[Amei]

well yes from a competition perspective that's what I'm worried about too - but in assessing the coaching situation... what is going on at AOP! She needs to be in a good coaching situation before getting to a good competition state.

I'm wondering based on my limited view, if the problem at AOP is that its a collection of inexperienced coaches, yes Plushenko has a ton of experience as a skater but that doesn't translate automatically to 'great' coach especially right out of the gate. Where does inexperience really start to show - when things are going wrong and 2 of their 3 prominent/most talented skaters have struggled all season and they haven't really improved; perhaps its bad circumstances with a bit of a strange season and getting sick but perhaps its not...

 

[snwnprv]

I think the actual winner of this season was Dudokov. At the beginning of the season people were giving waaay too much credit to Rozonov for 3A/quads of Sambo skaters and discrediting Dudokv's work.
When Kamila landed that 3A I wasn't sure if I was more happy for Kamila or for Dudokov. Then it was Kamila's quad sal and then Maiia's quad toe and quad sal.

The battle of the year was the battle of the Sergeis. I'm glad we were able to see which Sergei was the clear winner of that battle.

I think this goes against the rules of this thread: Note: Please refrain from discussing coaches in this thread. This includes speculations, jokes, sarcasm, "what-ifs", comparisons, private lives, personalities, etc.