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I mean, I wouldn't have disagreed with her winning but I also don't disagree with her losing here. She did make some mistakes and got punished for them. With such a small difference, just a few PCS changes or GOEs in any segment would give Sofia the title. And as FS is such a subjective sport I'm sure people can find a GOE or a PCS category they disagree with that would put Sofia on top, or even Liza on top, or Alisa even further on top.
I would've had Liza Kulikova's PCS above both Alisa, Daria and Sofia's but it was only 0.08 away from Alisa and about a point away from Sofia and Daria so I guess I can deal with it.
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Kulikova is very elegant performer, thing is, her clean passes here were miracle!
Of them all, I think Sadkova has the biggest potential with her humongous 2A and charisma.
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I never understand why people have such a hard time understanding math. Being clean helps, of course, but doesn't help as much as you think when (1) there's a huge BV difference and (2) you have an unoptimized layout.
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Also I really really think it needs to be stated: these girls are novices.
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Well, yeah, but so do all these other ladies? I don't think only Eteri skaters are challenging themselves with transitions. Shifrina has a really cool lutz entrance, Osokina has the most interesting salchow entrance, Liza Kulikova has a cool walley jump into her salchow, Titova's first 2A has such a difficult thread of transitions going in, there's a great backwards spiral going into her 3Lo, some steps coming out of her 3F+3T (not done very well but they were there), a besti squat going into her 3F too. Vazhnova has a supper impressive 3T - spread eagle - 2A. She also has a spiral going into her 3Lz+3Lo. Paramonova has quite a few difficult steps following her 3S. Of course I'm sure much of the reason these talented novices are going for difficult transitions has something to do with the Eteri girls but especially now, I doubt that only the Eteri girls do difficult transitions.
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Just to further spread the Liza Kulikova love - she and Maria Paramonova were the only skaters to get step sequence 4! And it was a fabulous step sequence too!
Interestingly, none of girls got a step sequence 4 in the SP but Daria Sadkova, Sofia Glagolevskaya, and Taisiya Shcherbinina got level 4 in the elements!
Interestingly, none of girls got a step sequence 4 in the SP but Daria Sadkova, Sofia Glagolevskaya, and Taisiya Shcherbinina got level 4 in the elements!
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No doubt they are driven and challenged by Eteri's team and of course they have to adapt or even better that and partially it's already happening. If Sofia for instance keeps her stability she can become serious threat for Khrustalnyi in TIME.
But I think so far the others concentrate on single things, thus become nominalists, while Eteri is focusing on the whole program, which makes her a realist.
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Yeah I'd definitely say Titova has all the ability to dominate as a senior but she needs to work on a lot first - but again, she's 12, she has the time. I'd say if Shifrina or Liza Kulikova could become more consistent they could also be a major player - both have great basics and good artistry if they skate clean.No doubt they are driven and challenged by Eteri's team and of course they have to adapt or even better that and partially it's already happening. If Sofia for instance keeps her stability she can become serious threat for Khrustalnyi in TIME.
But honestly, for the novices, I'd disagree that Eteri focuses on the whole program, especially free programs. In their defense, really no one focuses on the whole program in a novice free skate because at the end of the day, almost every single novice free skate is about the jumps. For example, all of the free programs here in the older girls versus Vazhnova's (my personal favorite novice FS this season). A lot of the times, the free programs aren't built to the music, the transitions aren't built to the music, the spins aren't built to the music, and the jumps aren't built to the music. The only part that is usually at least somewhat connected to the music is the step sequence. Take Titova's split jump into her 3lz+1Eu+3S, she does it when the music gets quieter! That makes no sense! Or Daria S's Y-spiral going into her 2A, which is not on any musical accent nor musical crescendo (though, the 2A is really well matched to the music). Okay, maybe I'm being a bit harsh here since even senior ladies from any country have weird transitions that don't really work with the music, but the main issue with novice free skates is you could take the music away from all their programs and ask me "what genre or what tempo are they skating to?" and I would have no idea. I don't think Eteri girls are exempt from that. Vazhnova's FS is one I really enjoy because I think it really makes use of musical accents and changes in tempo or dynamics. I haven't seen a FS like hers out of the older girls here. I mean yes, Kulikova's step sequence was fantastic and yes Sadkova has some gorgeous jumps and transitions, but it's not like the entire program is one with the music. Visually it's like a ladder. The two sides are the program and the music - sometimes there's a connection, a majority of time there isn't.
But of course, these girls are 11-12-13 and they have fantastic potential. Obviously I don't expect every program from a camp to be perfectly matched with the music, but I don't exactly see how Eteri's girls programs here (except for I guess Sadkova's free which I think matches the music moderately well) are super well packaged.
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I don't think that her programs are especially difficult choreo-wise. I think that the skaters she has in these younger age groups just aren't that great in comparison.
Dvoeglazova I don't think that much lot of. She has an UR quad but otherwise is very forgettable. Sadkova's got more potential, but still is quite far behind the past Eteri girls in development, considering that she's already JGP eligible next season. I don't think they're anywhere near Akatieva, or Zhilina(before she switched coaches), or Valieva, etc. Perhaps they're like Khromykh and Usacheva, but I don't think they're even on that level.
Where Dvoeglazova had the advantage here is that she had a 4T< replacing a 2T by Titova's, so even with the UR and fall she still earned more points with it than Titova did with her jump, though the advantage there is less than 2 points in total. Titova also lost a level on one spin, for 0.30 points, and had the UR for more point and GOE loss. If Titova had been clean, she would have won this.
Still, I'd not have scored Dvoeglazova anywhere near this high in PCS, just see absolutely nothing there.
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Why do you think the fashion police stormed my house? Is my pyjama a time bomb or what? And my sweater is hardly as dangerous as silenced Mini Uzi, while my socks are not like I would have a ballistic knife in my shoes.
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People were underestimating Maiia and now she was able to land two quads, which, if she can repeat it, makes her a very serious contender for medals. Daria was hardly able to skate two clean programs at one competition even when she started competing at JGP and now she's one of the most stable skaters in Russia. Etc. What people often praise much, "unforgettableness", art, attractiveness is often defeated by pure technical strength, not to mention that opinions differ on what is more or less artistic, while high technmical content is a clear message. Even if Alisa's quad is unstable yet, she skated clean otherwise in both SP and FS with technical content stronger than her rivals and that provided a victory for her. It was little unexpected as she wasn't that stable till now, but there's not much to discuss against. How she will develop further can be hardly answered now, but if Kamila, Daria and Maiia were called weaker than Sasha, Anna and Aliona, I wouldn't be so sure now and think they can challenge them (and not just Kamila). As for Daria Sadkova, she's not in Khrustalnyi even for a full season and she definitely improved. She's about the level of Dasha in consistency now and shje can be as stable as her in two years. Or not. But I won't make any final decision at the age of twelve.
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Normally I don‘t watch Novice Nationals because a) these are kids who understandably don‘t have a particular grasp of what exactly they‘re skating to and b) the programs are mostly interchangeable to downright nonsensical. But I had some time today, so I gave it a try and enjoyed it for what it was. Some thoughts:
1. No idea about the girl who won, though I found her skating...well, not exactly inspiring. She also had a fall on what seemed to be an UR to downgraded quad. I guess she did the best in the SP because I don‘t see much justification for a win otherwise.
2. Titova. That program is insanity inducing. Who thought to give a literal kid - and one struggling with presentation as is - Malade to skate to? And then put THAT choreo on it? I don‘t know what the worst of it was...probably the moment when the music became really quiet and vulnerable and she went and did a powerful split jump. She‘s also just...not a good performer, even for a novice. It all feels very rehearsed and stiff and frantic. Which is a shame because she, IMO, had the best jumps of the night - other than the 3F+3T, but in my eyes, that should have been q at most as well. Super impressive transition into her 2A - I forgot, is she training a 3A? Based on her 2A, I‘d say yes.
3. Kulikova, I think? I wasn‘t familiar with her but enjoyed how she came alive during the step sequence. There‘s a great performer in her and I hope she can keep improving on that. The jumps seemed clean, too, though I felt she had the least impressive transitions into them. That entry into the 2A+3T especially was very loooong.
4. Sadkova. I do think she‘s the greatest talent here but those mistakes in the second half really killed her chances. Alas, as I really enjoyed the program up until then. She seems to be the most musical out of the bunch. Liked the program the best, too, as it actually felt like it was choreographed to the music. Not great, but good enough, especially in novices.
Do love her 2A. She needs to get consistent with her current layout first, but I hope there‘s a 3A planned for her in the future. Wish she‘d drop the rippon on some of the jumps, though. I know Eteri girls seem to have an obsession with rippons this season in particular but there‘s really no reason for it in Sadkova‘s case when it actually makes her jumps look less impressive and less stable.
Overall, I‘d say she has it all, just needs time and patience.
Now that I‘ve typed all of this, I realise I’m not even sure WHO I‘d have wanted to win here. Sadkova, yes, based on personal preference but no way with those mistakes she made. Kulikova had the best FS all around, probably. Titova in second, although I really, really disliked that program. The jumps were some of the best, however, which is what novice is still all about. I‘d have the winner (I have since learned her name is Dvoeglazova) somewhere in distant third in the FS (yes, even with the BV advantage) although I will watch her again, as I fear I might be missing something. After all, she ended up winning the whole thing, so something must be there and it can‘t just be the UR failed quad attempt... Very interesting because I‘ve rarely had a competition where I was so unsure about who the gold should go to.
1. No idea about the girl who won, though I found her skating...well, not exactly inspiring. She also had a fall on what seemed to be an UR to downgraded quad. I guess she did the best in the SP because I don‘t see much justification for a win otherwise.
2. Titova. That program is insanity inducing. Who thought to give a literal kid - and one struggling with presentation as is - Malade to skate to? And then put THAT choreo on it? I don‘t know what the worst of it was...probably the moment when the music became really quiet and vulnerable and she went and did a powerful split jump. She‘s also just...not a good performer, even for a novice. It all feels very rehearsed and stiff and frantic. Which is a shame because she, IMO, had the best jumps of the night - other than the 3F+3T, but in my eyes, that should have been q at most as well. Super impressive transition into her 2A - I forgot, is she training a 3A? Based on her 2A, I‘d say yes.
3. Kulikova, I think? I wasn‘t familiar with her but enjoyed how she came alive during the step sequence. There‘s a great performer in her and I hope she can keep improving on that. The jumps seemed clean, too, though I felt she had the least impressive transitions into them. That entry into the 2A+3T especially was very loooong.
4. Sadkova. I do think she‘s the greatest talent here but those mistakes in the second half really killed her chances. Alas, as I really enjoyed the program up until then. She seems to be the most musical out of the bunch. Liked the program the best, too, as it actually felt like it was choreographed to the music. Not great, but good enough, especially in novices.
Do love her 2A. She needs to get consistent with her current layout first, but I hope there‘s a 3A planned for her in the future. Wish she‘d drop the rippon on some of the jumps, though. I know Eteri girls seem to have an obsession with rippons this season in particular but there‘s really no reason for it in Sadkova‘s case when it actually makes her jumps look less impressive and less stable.
Overall, I‘d say she has it all, just needs time and patience.
Now that I‘ve typed all of this, I realise I’m not even sure WHO I‘d have wanted to win here. Sadkova, yes, based on personal preference but no way with those mistakes she made. Kulikova had the best FS all around, probably. Titova in second, although I really, really disliked that program. The jumps were some of the best, however, which is what novice is still all about. I‘d have the winner (I have since learned her name is Dvoeglazova) somewhere in distant third in the FS (yes, even with the BV advantage) although I will watch her again, as I fear I might be missing something. After all, she ended up winning the whole thing, so something must be there and it can‘t just be the UR failed quad attempt... Very interesting because I‘ve rarely had a competition where I was so unsure about who the gold should go to.
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