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Hmm... Why would I watch Russian Novice Championships? :unsure:

2005 - 🥇Ksenya Stolbova
2007 - 🥇Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 🥈Adelina Sotnikova
2010 - 🥈Yulia Lipnitskaya
2011 - 🥇Elena Radionova 🥈Evgenia Medevedeva
2012 - 🥇Serafima Sakhanovich
2014 - 🥇Polina Tsurskaya
2015 - 🥇Anastasiia Gubanova
2016 - 🥇Anna Shcherbakova
2017 - 🥇Anastasiia Tarakanova 🥈Anna Shcherbakova 🥉Alexandra Trusova
2019 - 🥇Kamila Valieva 🥈Sofia Akatieva 🥉Sofia Samodielkina
 
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There's finally a full show of Mishin's 80th birthday on youtube
Lol, great, now that I've spent the whole afternoon yesterday editing my recording of the show, cutting out the commercial breaks, re-encoding the video to bring it down to a reasonable file size and uploading it to google drive to share in the Team Mishin thread. :bang:
 
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Lol, great, now that I've spent the whole afternoon yesterday editing my recording of the show, cutting out the commercial breaks, re-encoding the video to bring it down to a reasonable file size and uploading it to google drive to share in the Team Mishin thread. :bang:
It's a pity you spent a lot of your time. But Mishin's birthday is a great event so no wonder there are tons of TV shows, movies, etc about him - everything available on youtube. Basically nothing new, all about his career, his life, family etc.
 
I too have to admit that I don't watch novice comps. Not because they're creepy - they're not worse than junior ones, but mostly because I don't want to get too invested in too many competitions, get attached to a skater who will leave sport before turning senior (they're still discovering their talents at this age) or be angry over scores given to 11-12 year olds. Russian junior comps are where I actually start to get interest and JGP is where I seriously follow them.

But there are so many talented kids, I might watch them from time to time.
 
I don't watch novice competitions regularly and also not fully, partially because of time, partially because of what @ruga said, don't want to get too atached to skaters who might finish too early, but some competitions like these novice championships deserve attention, at least I am curious whom can we expect soon in juniors etc.
 
Well, younger novice girl nationals are now finished.

Winner Prineva, second Kostyleva, third Krivonosova.

However, Kostyleva actually won the SP+FS combined score, but ended up losing since she didn't do so well in the Elements-section.

Quite impressive considering that she's like 9 and a half years old.
 
I have a question about Advanced Novice championships.
I've read that their spins cannot be given more than a level 3.
I've read too, that they don't get backloading 10% BV bonus.
(But they can still get other specific bonuses.)
Is it true in Russia too, or do they have their own scoring rules?
 
Hmm... Why would I watch Russian Novice Championships? :unsure:

2005 - 🥇Ksenya Stolbova
2007 - 🥇Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 🥈Adelina Sotnikova
2010 - 🥈Yulia Lipnitskaya
2011 - 🥇Elena Radionova 🥈Evgenia Medevedeva
2012 - 🥇Serafima Sakhanovich
2014 - 🥇Polina Tsurskaya
2015 - 🥇Anastasiia Gubanova
2016 - 🥇Anna Shcherbakova
2017 - 🥇Anastasiia Tarakanova 🥈Anna Shcherbakova 🥉Alexandra Trusova
2019 - 🥇Kamila Valieva 🥈Sofia Akatieva 🥉Sofia Samodielkina
The thing is, you just listed 15 skaters in 14 years. That's really not even close to a lot.

And of those 15 only 8 have gone on to have successful senior careers, although it's really still incredibly early for Anna and Sasha. (Ksenya (and she switched disciplines), Liza, Adelina, Yulia, Elena, Evgenia, Anna, and Sasha.

Now granted Kamila, Sofia A, and Sofia S are still incredibly young and not senior eligible yet (in fact Sofia A isn't even junior eligible). So we'll say 8 between 2005-2017. That's still not at all great.

Now let's look at these careers:

Ksenya had an incredibly successful senior career in pairs skating spanning 8 years (with a GP the year before). (2011/2012 - 2017/2018 (with a little test skate comeback in 2019/2020). (You could be senior grand prix eligible before you were senior ISU eligible)
Liza T - 2011/2012 (she was senior grand prix eligible but not ISU eligible until 2012/2013) - ? (Still going!)
Adelina - 2011/2012 - 2015/2016 (one again she was senior grand prix eligible in 2011/2012 but not senior ISU eligible until 2012/2013)
Yulia - 2012/2013 - 2016/2017 (she also was senior grand prix eligible in 2012/2013 but not ISU eligible until 2013/2014)
Elena - 2013/2014 - 2018/2019 (I'm pretty sure she's the last one for whom the old eligibility rules still applied - being GP eligible the year before your ISU eligible.)
Evgenia - 2015/2016 - ? (still going? maybe?)
Serafima - 2015/2016 - 2019/2020 (?) (She's probably retired and in 2019/2020 received only one GP - her first in two years. She's pretty much only skated in CS and senior "B" internationally having only 3 GP assignments in 5 years. Does have a couple golds and silvers at CS.) :(
Polina - 2017/2018 - 2018/2019 (Senior highlight was winning a bronze at NHK) :(
Anastasia G - 2018/2019 - ? (Has never had a GP assignment. Senior highlight is winning a silver at Golden Spin. Will struggle to make it out of Russia for even CS assignments.) :(
Anna - 2019/2020 - ? (Incredibly successful senior debut! Going to Worlds in 2021 (after it was cancelled the year before where she would have gone) - let's see what happens!) :)
Anastasia T - 2019/2020 - ? (Wasn't given any senior GPs in her senior debut eligible season - instead given two junior GPS - got bronze in both - barely missed out on the GPF :(. Lots of coach hopping and hasn't yet made her senior international debut, although a lot of that is pandemic related but also injury/inconsistency/coach hopping related. Will struggle to make it out of Russia for even CS assignments.) :(
Sasha - 2019/2020 - ? (Incredibly successful senior debut! Going to Worlds in 2021 (after it was cancelled the year before where she would have gone) - let's see what happens!) :)

Looking at just senior ladies skaters:
Liza T - 10+ (9+ for ISU)
Adelina - 5 (4 for ISU)
Yulia - 5 (4 for ISU)
Elena - 6 (5 for ISU) - withdrew from everything in 2018/2019 - so really more like 5 (4 for ISU)
Evgenia - 6? - withdrew from everything in 2020/2021 - so really more like 5? (not retired but can she make it back?)
Serafima - 5? (not officially retired but hasn't been seen at all since 2019/2020 - can she make it make to even to CS? Only 3 GPs in 5 years - does she want to still skate?)
Polina - 2 (did get a bronze at a GP but injuries forced her to retire)
Anastasia G - 2? (hasn't been seen internationally since 2018/2019 and didn't compete at all domestically in 2020/2021 - although the pandemic played a role in that - but also didn't get any international assignments in 2019/2020 and CS/GP still occurred in 2019/2020. Has never received a GP and only 2 CS - will she still continue? Can she even make it to CS?)
Anna - 2+ (not much to say here haha - going to Worlds in 2021 and a contender for the Olympics (team and OGM) in 2022)
Anastasia T - 0+? (hasn't even made her senior international debut yet? :( Can she even make it out of Russia to a CS?)
Sasha - 2+ (again not much to say here haha - going to Worlds in 2021 and a contender for the Olympics (team and OGM) in 2022)

So, looking at that original list, 11 skaters between 2005-2017 (12 years) made it to the senior level as singles at all. Of those, 2 have never even received a GP and one of those has never even had a CS/debuted internationally. So really only, Liza T, Adelina, Yulia, Elena, Evgenia, Anna, and Sasha (7 girls) have gone on to successful senior careers and Anna and Sasha are only second year seniors. 7 girls in 12 years with an average senior career of 5 years? if you make it (and up until Elena they had the advantage of an "extra" year of GPs.)

We just watched novice girls sobbing because they placed second/third, when statistically speaking the odds aren't great that they even make it to seniors much less that they have a successful career which likely spans 4-5 years?

There should be so much less pressure on the novices. Just let them skate. Their coaches and parents should be ashamed of themselves.
 
Hmm... Why would I watch Russian Novice Championships? :unsure:

2005 - 🥇Ksenya Stolbova
2007 - 🥇Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 🥈Adelina Sotnikova
2010 - 🥈Yulia Lipnitskaya
2011 - 🥇Elena Radionova 🥈Evgenia Medevedeva
2012 - 🥇Serafima Sakhanovich
2014 - 🥇Polina Tsurskaya
2015 - 🥇Anastasiia Gubanova
2016 - 🥇Anna Shcherbakova
2017 - 🥇Anastasiia Tarakanova 🥈Anna Shcherbakova 🥉Alexandra Trusova
2019 - 🥇Kamila Valieva 🥈Sofia Akatieva 🥉Sofia Samodielkina
Good. You answered with a sledgehammer of information. ;)
 
It sucks that Titova is getting this toxic example from mum and coaches. At least novice skaters should be able to not take competitions so seriously. Save that for when it actually counts, kids.
Well she seems to be under a lot of pressure, unfortunately. She was SECOND and she started crying like... ehmm.. like Gubanova at Junior nationals when she was 4th (and actually had a reason to cry because it was totally unfair and couldn't go to the Worlds becaue of that).... I mean, second place, by not even a whole point.. amazing result... :rolleyes:
 
But why do they keep talking about Vancouver, as if a novice championship is somehow comparable to the Olympics? 🙄

And why would you want to teach your skater that their results are caused by the injustice of the system and to expect unfair treatment, rather than acknowledging mistakes and trying to improve and be better than your competition the next time?
 
I thought Sofia crying after realizing she came second was fair. Maybe not 100% healthy, but understandable. At age 12 she's not going to be thinking "This novice championship doesn't mean anything in the long run, it doesn't mean anything about my potential senior career." No, at age 12 this is probably the competition of her life and a gold medal at this championship is all she could ever want. She's barely 12, she's not going to have the perspective of an adult or even a teenager.

The behavior of Plushenko and her mother, though...they don't have the excuse of being 12 to explain their actions. I think it teaches Sofia the wrong things, too. Firstly, that losing one competition is a huge deal and means the world (I thought it was understandable for Sofia herself to react that way, but for them to reinforce that behavior isn't), and secondly, that if she ever loses, it's not her fault, it's the judges' and they are always the ones to blame. The fact that they don't seem to be hiding this bitter attitude from her at all is disturbing.
 
But why do they keep talking about Vancouver, as if a novice championship is somehow comparable to the Olympics? 🙄

And why would you want to teach your skater that their results are caused by the injustice of the system and to expect unfair treatment, rather than acknowledging mistakes and trying to improve and be better than your competition the next time?

:palmf: Let's not forget she's being taught to never let it go (really, he's still going on about Vancouver?). What good is that for Titova? And I don't think that the bloviating (yet again) about domestic judging is doing AoP skaters any favors.
 
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